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[Shotokanguy]

enayasoul wrote...

Question: So is Miranda's hair color dark brown or did she color it black in ME3?

Miranda's totally meant to have black hair. Since video games still don't do hair well, they had to lighten Miranda's hair a bit so you could see the strands and know it's hair and not just black goop on her head. That's why her hair is darker in ME3 - because the hair looks more like hair, so it's not as big a problem.

That's my theory, anyway. And there's something about the pure black haired woman - it's more femme fatale...ish.

[kaymarierose]

Skullheart wrote...

I'm wondering what is the impression of the new players about Miranda.

btw, I don't know how this piece from devart hasn't been posted here yet.

Good art, but it's not Miranda. Or at least it looks nothing like her.

[Aliqaiser]

Ares91 wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

If they kill Miranda off in the EC, on my subsequent playthrough with Thomas, I'll make sure to get as low an EMS as possible, then go with "destroy" and let the whole **** galaxy burn.

I said it once I'll say it again...

Right you are Ares, Let's hope all of the teams hard work pay's off well.

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 08 mai 2012 - 06:40 .

[Ieldra]

FYI, people: Weekes said it's all but impossible - technically - to add a general-use squadmate through DLC (I wonder how they made Kasumi for ME2, though. Perhaps it's just that ME3 has so many more places where squadmates have spoken lines). So our campaigning should better aim at having her on an extra mission. Or on one existing mission (*cough* Cronos Station *cough*).

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 mai 2012 - 07:26 .

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

FYI, people: Weekes said it's all but impossible - technically - to add a general-use squadmate through DLC. So our campaigning should better aim at having her on an extra mission. Or on one existing mission (*cough* Cronos Station *cough*).

Well, fortunately, it pretty much was already oriented that way, but that's interesting to note

[Ieldra]

Shotokanguy wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Question: So is Miranda's hair color dark brown or did she color it black in ME3?

Miranda's totally meant to have black hair. Since video games still don't do hair well, they had to lighten Miranda's hair a bit so you could see the strands and know it's hair and not just black goop on her head. That's why her hair is darker in ME3 - because the hair looks more like hair, so it's not as big a problem.

That's my theory, anyway. And there's something about the pure black haired woman - it's more femme fatale...ish.

Indeed. I've always seen Miranda's hair as black. In reality, black hair is usually shiny but video games can't do that well because of performance issues. So they may have given Miranda's hair some highlights, but I've never seen it as anything but black.

[kookie28]

Ieldra2 wrote...

FYI, people: Weekes said it's all but impossible - technically - to add a general-use squadmate through DLC (I wonder how they made Kasumi for ME2, though. Perhaps it's just that ME3 has so many more places where squadmates have spoken lines). So our campaigning should better aim at having her on an extra mission. Or on one existing mission (*cough* Cronos Station *cough*).

Or this leading to having her on Cronos Station.  Complete extra mission, she comes with you to Cronos Station. 

[Aliqaiser]

kookie28 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

FYI, people: Weekes said it's all but impossible - technically - to add a general-use squadmate through DLC (I wonder how they made Kasumi for ME2, though. Perhaps it's just that ME3 has so many more places where squadmates have spoken lines). So our campaigning should better aim at having her on an extra mission. Or on one existing mission (*cough* Cronos Station *cough*).

Or this leading to having her on Cronos Station.  Complete extra mission, she comes with you to Cronos Station. 

By looking at the possibilities at the moment, we have no Idea what's going up In Bioware right now and what are they planning ( regarding the Extended Cut and the DLC).
However, having Miranda in cronos station is the only thing that sounds promising and moreover make sense of Miranda's presence there, but changing EDI's role with Miranda might cost bioware some fortune, as they are definitely gonna need Martin sheen, to work out the new dialogues with Miranda.
( If Miranda is selected as a squad member in cronos station, Bioware should not forget to add a romance scene with Miranda before the mission, aboard the Normandy. That's when all major romances took place, And we can even expect A pillow talk:wizard:)
As for us, the Miranda Lawson Fan book, with the twitter feed is all we have got to motivate them, The Tribute project might as well add a punch.
I personally believe bioware should have listened us ( the fans) earlier, however they wouldn't have ended up in the mess they are in, to satisfy us.

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 08 mai 2012 - 08:24 .

[Ieldra]

Td1984 wrote...
In all honesty, if Miranda gets killed in the EC, how I deal with it comes down to photographic evidence. If they don't show her dying on-screen, I can disregard it and keep my headcanon intact. If she does have an on-screen death however, then I'd do one last playthrough with Thomas (though I'd possibly consider continuing to play on my other 3 Sheps) and essentially scrap my headcanon. Instead, he wouldn't come back after about a month and he'd have a "Victory Party" to attend with Miranda, Anderson, Jenkins, Kaidan, Pressly, Mordin, Thane & Legion (and whomever else gets killed off) on the "other side".

I don't think they'll kill her now. Casey Hudson and Mac Walters would've totally done it for the original ending, if they could've been bothered to think about the ME2 team members, but there won't be any more depressing elements added now.

I still can't quite get over the fact that the surviving ME2 team members have a better fate than the ME3 team - by omission.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 mai 2012 - 08:31 .

[Ieldra]

Aliqaiser wrote...
I personally believe bioware should have listened us ( the fans) earlier, however they wouldn't have ended up in the mess they are in, to satisfy us.

The problem is we didn't talk about Miranda's Cerberus story arc in ME3 extensively on the thread, because everyone thought it was beyond question Miranda would have one and confront her old boss.

Shows what we know

And when the script leaked and we started complaining, it was too late to add MIranda to existing missions.

[Aliqaiser]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Aliqaiser wrote...
I personally believe bioware should have listened us ( the fans) earlier, however they wouldn't have ended up in the mess they are in, to satisfy us.

The problem is we didn't talk about Miranda's Cerberus story arc in ME3 extensively on the thread, because everyone thought it was beyond question Miranda would have one and confront her old boss.

Shows what we know

And when the script leaked and we started complaining, it was too late to add MIranda to existing missions.

Well brother, we still have a chance to make things right.

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 08 mai 2012 - 08:45 .

[Babi_Siha]

Not that I wouldn't love Miranda on Cronos Station, but I think BW won't make changes to anything that's already happened. The ending won't be changed, it will be clarified and I think if we want a Miranda DLC we can't expect them to suddenly make her an available squad in a mission that most players have finished by now and likely won't play again and we all know mercenary BW won't make a DLC unless it has the prospect of making money.

So I believe our best chances are to appeal to something completely new. A new mission happening before Sanctuary (before Miranda dies, since it won't be viable to do a DLC of a character after her possible death), it could start at Miranda and Shepard thrid enconunter, we could see a decent love scene, have the pillow talk and then have Miranda look for her sister, since it's the only thing she can do now.

[Numara]

Hello ppl! I dont post often but I wanted to share my opinion:
Im a Shenko girl but i must admit a fell in love with Miranda Character and Im so mad she is not a full squad member on ME3. She was introduced as an important and a nice new member for Shepard squad ( She was who spent 2 years rebuilding Shep, She was there for Shep and turned down Cerberus) Also she is a sentinel and i love em, and her arc in ME3 could be done with her at the normandy, too bad Miranda paid a part of a rushed game

Srry for my english not my mother language hehe

[fiendishchicken]

Hey guys. I've been following this thread for who knows how long now, and I do have a little bit of my 2 bits to put in. I love Miranda (and Yvonne) obsessively, as much as all you guys do (I have her lithograph framed on the wall to my apartment. My fiancee hates it) but I honestly don't see BioWare taking the time to change anything about the story. I'm pretty much more than certain that any new DLC after EC will focus on only Liara and Team Dextro. And as for the reason the EC will be a bust is this - how can they further clarify Mass Effect 3? Mass Effect 3 didn't have a bad ending. You know why? Mass Effect 3 didn't HAVE an ending. It just sort of stopped. Shepard did whatever he/she did, then *insert RGB color* explosion happened, and Galactic Civilization irreparably fractured. Every thread to the story got closed with that sudden stop. Didn't matter how far things went with each plot thread. What happened to the krogan? Don't know, probably died. What happened to the Geth? Destroyed more than likely. The Normandy? Crashed on a planet where it's unknown if the biota of the world is toxic or not. What happened to Miranda? Does Casey Hudson like Howard Stern's butt cheeks? Probably not but he also doesn't give a damn about Miranda. Don't get me wrong I'm fully supporting on Twitter and Facebook, and I'd help with the artbook, but I'm not much of an artist. All I'm saying is be prepared for everything we've accomplished not mean anything to BioWare.

[Ieldra]

Babi_Siha wrote...
So guys, I had this idea that I just posted on the #FindMiranda group. We all know retake Omega is happening and I think it makes sense, not to mention would be a way for BW to redeem itself, if Miranda teamed up with Aria for that purpose.

This way we would finally have Miranda's confrontation with Cerberus and two of the most bad asses women on the galaxy would be working together.

I think it should happen before Sanctuary and the key in finding Oriana and Henry lies in Omega. Since there is filled with cerberus agents, Miranda approaches Aria and proposes an alliance that would mutually benefit each other. Miranda gets the information she needs, flemm suggested adding Oleg in the mix so maybe he's the guy with the info she wants, and Aria gets Omega back.

I would love to see Miranda in that mission. However, Oriana shouldn't be Miranda's motivation to go there. Her story is already too focused on Oriana. Probably best inserted before the Citadel coup. Helping to take Omega from Cerberus would also tie in well with the stepped-up assassination attempts MIranda mentions after the coup. 

[Ieldra]

@fiendishchicken:
Weekes already said he'll be pushing for DLC including the ME2 team members (probably all of them in the same DLC), so no, I don't agree we must be resigned to DLC for Liara etc..

As for the ending, its very vagueness creates a lot of opportunity for the EC to clarify what happens by picking and choosing the best interpretations. Relays in Control? Functional in short order. Dextro food in the Sol system? Quarian liveships have it, if they still exist. And so on.

At the moment we're campaigning. I don't have the slightest idea what to
expect, and yes, it's quite possible we'll disappointed. But I refuse
to be disappointed in advance.

@Babi_Siha:
I don't think we'll get Miranda as a general-use team member, but it is possible to insert her into Cronos Station as an NPC, which would be enough to repair her as a character. For Miranda as a team member, yes I think a new mission like Retake Omega is the most likely.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 mai 2012 - 11:28 .

[Babi_Siha]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I would love to see Miranda in that mission. However, Oriana shouldn't be Miranda's motivation to go there. Her story is already too focused on Oriana. Probably best inserted before the Citadel coup. Helping to take Omega from Cerberus would also tie in well with the stepped-up assassination attempts MIranda mentions after the coup.

I don't think Ori should be her motivation either, we've had enough of her already, but Miranda hates Omega and has no loyalty towards Aria, so her sister is the only reason I could think of as to thy she would step foot there in the first place. Of course if it happened after Sanctuary, she could do that simply to diminish Cerberus' forces, but like I mentioned on my post above I don't think BW is gonna give Miranda a DLC after Sanctuary since she died in a lot of playthroughs unless they can give an alternative character in case she dies, but I really can't think of anyone.

[Ieldra]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I would love to see Miranda in that mission. However, Oriana shouldn't be Miranda's motivation to go there. Her story is already too focused on Oriana. Probably best inserted before the Citadel coup. Helping to take Omega from Cerberus would also tie in well with the stepped-up assassination attempts MIranda mentions after the coup.

I don't think Ori should be her motivation either, we've had enough of her already, but Miranda hates Omega and has no loyalty towards Aria, so her sister is the only reason I could think of as to thy she would step foot there in the first place. Of course if it happened after Sanctuary, she could do that simply to diminish Cerberus' forces, but like I mentioned on my post above I don't think BW is gonna give Miranda a DLC after Sanctuary since she died in a lot of playthroughs unless they can give an alternative character in case she dies, but I really can't think of anyone.

I think Miranda should be looking for what Cerberus is up to, and Omega would be a very likely place to go. Also she may know Oleg Petrovsky as someone who thinks like her.

As for after Sanctuary, the problem is that Miranda dies in all non-imported games. On the other hand, she must be an optional part of the mission anyway, since she can be dead when ME3 starts. The only reason why I support a pre-Sanctuary mission is that she'd probably get less content otherwise because she'd be dead in too many playthroughs.

[Stalker]

I think BioWare stepped into a huge mess with the ending. I don't mean just with the quality (beating a dead horse here), but that it definitely ends everything with Shepard's death.
Now every playthrough is locked right before the last mission. I personally hate that with a passion, but it's also a huge problem for releasing any kind of interesting DLC. It's hard to find anything which fits into the story now and even if it does, people don't want to play it with that kind of ending. 

Example is Miranda-DLC: if not after the ending, then when? She is busy throughout the entire game (without content you could actually show as DLC) and when she finally saves her annoying sister you directly fly to Cronos and take out Cerberus. This also applies to a lot of other characters... they can all be possibly dead or they are busy here and there without anything to actually show.

I can't imagine where you could fit character-specific DLC if not after the ending.

[Babi_Siha]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I can't imagine where you could fit character-specific DLC if not after the ending.

The problem is that after the ending the DLCs would likely be about Liara (which I don't mind since I like her), the dextro team (awful, because I'd hate a Tali specific DLC) or the VS (a DLC about Kaidan would kill my will to ever play videogame again), I really can't see Bioware giving ME2 character content after the ending for some reason.

And you're right, Miranda was busy, but doing what exactly no one knows. A DLC about that it's what I would love to play.

[Stalker]

The thing which prevents that from happening: Shepard's exclusion. There has never been Mass Effect DLC in which (s)he wasn't there and now that the story happened as it happened, there is no way to include Shep anymore...

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 08 mai 2012 - 12:25 .

[Ares91]

Its always possible for them to show Shepard did Not die in one of the endings.

If I was given the choice I would of course tell bioware to ad Miranda into the game as a squadmember.
But seeing as that's near impossible, I would want her to be a squadmate on Cronos with a romance. scene, and a post ending reunion bit (this is what ill will be fighting for)
If that's not possible id want her as an npc on cronos (similar to mordin on tachunka) with a romance scene.
And if all else fails just give me a pre ending reunion scene where shep and miri find each other.

[Ieldra]

hot_heart wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I hope I'm getting around to reading it tomorrow. The problem is I must find one of your posts to get the link. Why don't you put it up on FFN?

I would but I have this tendency to go back and fiddle with bits here and there, which I'm not sure people would appreciate...

Sent you a PM with comments on your story, chapters 4 to 6.

[kookie28]

Mr Massakka wrote...

I think BioWare stepped into a huge mess with the ending. I don't mean just with the quality (beating a dead horse here), but that it definitely ends everything with Shepard's death.
Now every playthrough is locked right before the last mission. I personally hate that with a passion, but it's also a huge problem for releasing any kind of interesting DLC. It's hard to find anything which fits into the story now and even if it does, people don't want to play it with that kind of ending. 

Example is Miranda-DLC: if not after the ending, then when? She is busy throughout the entire game (without content you could actually show as DLC) and when she finally saves her annoying sister you directly fly to Cronos and take out Cerberus. This also applies to a lot of other characters... they can all be possibly dead or they are busy here and there without anything to actually show.

I can't imagine where you could fit character-specific DLC if not after the ending.

*Except destroy ending.*  But I see your point.

But I think what everyone needs to take from this, and prior history (Nobody talked about Miranda's focus in ME3 pre-script leak) is that we should all go ahead and talk about exactly what we want with Miranda to happen now while there's time to.  It might seem too difficult or too complicated, but adding Miranda specifically to Cronos Station may still be possible.    We don't konw how difficult some of these things might be, but we do know that Bioware wants to make money and make customers happy.  I'm sure if we talk about it enough they'll definitely consider it.  But the key is that we keep talking about it. 

And honestly, I think that out of the remaining ME2 squad that's left, Miranda has the best possibilities for DLC.  I really don't believe things are as bad as some might think.

Modifié par kookie28, 08 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[Eire Icon]

I think theres huge scope for DLC around Miranda. Out of all of the squadmates her future is most in question. Her main priorities were always Cerberus and the safety of her sister, both now are possibly not relevent anymore.