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[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
More that the only way I can stomach the pure Paragon BW seems to want is making him a complete ass. Miranda survives. They just really hate each other.

Yeah, I think the same way. But why not play a different Shepard then? They wouldn't have to hate each other then...

Modifié par Ieldra2, 18 juillet 2011 - 05:48 .

[jtav]

Paragade, Renegon. Anything but the eternal, smug sanctimony. But such seems to be rewarded so far. I can't imagine a pure Paragon liking Miranda or vice versa.

[Raizo]

MisterJB wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

So how exactly did it come to be that Miranda's support thread was twice as long as any other support thread? Was there some startling bit of information revealed about her? Or is it just pure sociability?

I think it's actually the opposite. Miranda's character has amazing storytelling potential and there are several different routes the writers can make her follow. Did she resign? Did she not? Oriana and Cerberus's protection. Who is Mr. Lawson? The romance and all that it implies.
And, since we know virtually nothing about her role in ME3, we speculate a lot.

I would also like to add that Miranda is probably one of the more comlex squad mates from ME2. You could probably take another squadmates from ME1 and ME2 and ask 10 people to talk about that charcter and you will probably walk away with 30 different opinions of that character but with Miranda you'd pobably get 90 different opinions instead. Because she is such a comlictaed charcter with alot of depth there are alot of different things that Bioware could do with her in ME3, sadly the lack of info about her has stirred up a bit of frenzy amongst all the Miranda fans, how much of a role will she play in ME3, will she be a squad mate, will she still have ties to Cerebus, will she be an enemy or will she be loyal to Shepard, will she be indoctrinated, will she be a strong femaile lead or a damsel in distress, will she have a relationship with Orianna, is she infertile and will that play any role in ME3, what will she wear ( or not be wearing ), will Bioware nerf her skillset since most ME2 players agree that she was teh best squad mate in ME2, etc, I could go on and on with the questions and sadly Bioware isn't telling us jack so the debate is just going to continue untill we get somthing, anything.

[Vertigo_1]

I don't see them nerfing her skillset.  I wonder what her 5th power will be (if she s a squadmate)
All squadmates have 5 powers (passive or not) for ME3.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 juillet 2011 - 06:22 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Would Miri have a Melee Weapon? Would she even need one? Miri is already Powerful.

[The Elder King]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Would Miri have a Melee Weapon? Would she even need one? Miri is already Powerful.

I don't know if the squadmates will have melee weapons.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

hhh89 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Would Miri have a Melee Weapon? Would she even need one? Miri is already Powerful.

I don't know if the squadmates will have melee weapons.

Hmmmm. Probably not. It's obvious that BioWare will boost up the capacity and strengh of Miri's Biotics. Along with others.

Like a modified and more Powerful Slam for Miri.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 juillet 2011 - 06:29 .

[jtav]

I think her passive could use a nerf. That's where most of her being overpowered comes from. Apart from that, it appears everyone gets a grenade.

It strikes me that we're really down to three when it comes to returning ME2 squadmates: Miranda, Jack, and Thane. Pick any 1 or 2.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

I think her passive could use a nerf. That's where most of her being overpowered comes from. Apart from that, it appears everyone gets a grenade.

Nerfing her passive makes sense.

I don't think all squadmates will have grenades.
Only thing we know is that Garrus is getting proximity mines:

jtav wrote...
It strikes me that we're really down to three when it comes to returning ME2 squadmates: Miranda, Jack, and Thane. Pick any 1 or 2.

Thane?  Why did you mention him?

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 18 juillet 2011 - 06:49 .

[Ieldra]

Raizo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

So how exactly did it come to be that Miranda's support thread was twice as long as any other support thread? Was there some startling bit of information revealed about her? Or is it just pure sociability?

I think it's actually the opposite. Miranda's character has amazing storytelling potential and there are several different routes the writers can make her follow. Did she resign? Did she not? Oriana and Cerberus's protection. Who is Mr. Lawson? The romance and all that it implies.
And, since we know virtually nothing about her role in ME3, we speculate a lot.

I would also like to add that Miranda is probably one of the more comlex squad mates from ME2. You could probably take another squadmates from ME1 and ME2 and ask 10 people to talk about that charcter and you will probably walk away with 30 different opinions of that character but with Miranda you'd pobably get 90 different opinions instead. Because she is such a comlictaed charcter with alot of depth there are alot of different things that Bioware could do with her in ME3, sadly the lack of info about her has stirred up a bit of frenzy amongst all the Miranda fans, how much of a role will she play in ME3, will she be a squad mate, will she still have ties to Cerebus, will she be an enemy or will she be loyal to Shepard, will she be indoctrinated, will she be a strong femaile lead or a damsel in distress, will she have a relationship with Orianna, is she infertile and will that play any role in ME3, what will she wear ( or not be wearing ), will Bioware nerf her skillset since most ME2 players agree that she was teh best squad mate in ME2, etc, I could go on and on with the questions and sadly Bioware isn't telling us jack so the debate is just going to continue untill we get somthing, anything.

Casey Hudson appears to think differently. Recall his statement last year that "Miranda is a simpler character"? No, I won't let him forget that little slight.

Let's hope they take Miranda's different aspects into account when they write her ME3 scenes. 

[MisterJB]

Thane is an LI and quite popular. He has better chances of returning than Grunt, which is a scandal but moving on, Jacob, etc.

Ieldra2 wrote...
Casey Hudson appears to think differently. Recall his statement last year that "Miranda is a simpler character"? No, I won't let him forget that little slight.

No decent Miranda fan should ever forgive him for that slight.

Modifié par MisterJB, 18 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .

[jtav]

And Liara's Lift Orbs, which sounds like some kind of projectile.

We know as much about Thane as Miranda, he's a LI, and he aso has Warp, which is something we don't have from squad members yet, assuming Ash was saved. Heck, I'm starting to think Miranda makes it because she's a Sentinel.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Paragade, Renegon. Anything but the eternal, smug sanctimony. But such seems to be rewarded so far. I can't imagine a pure Paragon liking Miranda or vice versa.

Indeed. There are already several threads about Bioware's Paragon favoritism. I'll rant about it until my face turns blue from the effort if making strategic choices instead of moralistic ones doesn't occasionally turn out better in the end, but I'll continue to make them in any case because I won't compromise my roleplaying for Bioware's one-sided vision of their own story should the present tendency continue.

I'm thinking that it's Ashley who will be the human LI option aimed at the Paragons. She already has all the necessary attributes except for her mistrust of non-humans. Then we have Tali who goes into the same direction. I think Miranda has a good chance to occupy a middle ground or keep her ME2 attitude which I'd classify as Renegon.

[Raizo]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Raizo wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Golden-Rose wrote...

So how exactly did it come to be that Miranda's support thread was twice as long as any other support thread? Was there some startling bit of information revealed about her? Or is it just pure sociability?

I think it's actually the opposite. Miranda's character has amazing storytelling potential and there are several different routes the writers can make her follow. Did she resign? Did she not? Oriana and Cerberus's protection. Who is Mr. Lawson? The romance and all that it implies.
And, since we know virtually nothing about her role in ME3, we speculate a lot.

I would also like to add that Miranda is probably one of the more comlex squad mates from ME2. You could probably take another squadmates from ME1 and ME2 and ask 10 people to talk about that charcter and you will probably walk away with 30 different opinions of that character but with Miranda you'd pobably get 90 different opinions instead. Because she is such a comlictaed charcter with alot of depth there are alot of different things that Bioware could do with her in ME3, sadly the lack of info about her has stirred up a bit of frenzy amongst all the Miranda fans, how much of a role will she play in ME3, will she be a squad mate, will she still have ties to Cerebus, will she be an enemy or will she be loyal to Shepard, will she be indoctrinated, will she be a strong femaile lead or a damsel in distress, will she have a relationship with Orianna, is she infertile and will that play any role in ME3, what will she wear ( or not be wearing ), will Bioware nerf her skillset since most ME2 players agree that she was teh best squad mate in ME2, etc, I could go on and on with the questions and sadly Bioware isn't telling us jack so the debate is just going to continue untill we get somthing, anything.

Casey Hudson appears to think differently. Recall his statement last year that "Miranda is a simpler character"? No, I won't let him forget that little slight.

Let's hope they take Miranda's different aspects into account when they write her ME3 scenes. 

And neither will I. The audacity of him to say that Jack is more complex than Miranda.

Jack may have endured more hardship in her past than Miranda but at the end of the day the Jack we saw in ME2 was a very simple and predictable character. You didn't need to be a rocket scientist to know why she was the way she was, why she said the things she said or did the things she did. Miranda on the other hand, well as much as I love her I can't say for certain that I know who she really is, what motivates her or whose side she really is on, her behavior isn't ruled by her emotions and she tends to weigh her decisions differently than all the other female ( and most of the male ) squadmates from ME1 and ME2.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

And Liara's Lift Orbs, which sounds like some kind of projectile.

We know as much about Thane as Miranda, he's a LI, and he aso has Warp, which is something we don't have from squad members yet, assuming Ash was saved.

Oh ok well yeah it 'seems' like each squadmate is going to have a projectile type of power but we only seen that for two.

jtav wrote...
Heck, I'm starting to think Miranda makes it because she's a Sentinel.

Unless the new female lead is a Sentinel! <_<

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Hopefully Miri will be back for Larger Reasons, like Continuing Romance, Story, etc.

NOT for a small purpose.

I'm hoping that BioWare will do her justice.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:17 .

[Vertigo_1]

Hah I must have missed the part where he said Jack was a more complex character than Miranda.
But isn't he more biased toward Jack anyway?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Hah I must have missed the part where he said Jack was a more complex character than Miranda.
But isn't he more biased toward Jack anyway?

This is Blashemy IMHO!!!!<_<

The more I read that, the more it pisses me off. *HEAD DESK*:pinched::pinched:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:23 .

[jtav]

I'm starting to think Ash is the new female lead. Very strange that the newest piece of fanservice hasn't been revealed so far is not.

As for simpler, I'm fairly certain the initial concept for Miranda was "sexy Cerberus loyalist." Her designation in game files is "vixen" for heaven sakes. It's to the credit of the team that she's more than that.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

I'm starting to think Ash is the new female lead. Very strange that the newest piece of fanservice hasn't been revealed so far is not.

As for simpler, I'm fairly certain the initial concept for Miranda was "sexy Cerberus loyalist." Her designation in game files is "vixen" for heaven sakes. It's to the credit of the team that she's more than that.

But she can be dead for some folks.
Say Ash is dead in your save, for ME3 when you get on the ship it will be Kaidan and Vega greeting you.

Usually you meet the female lead at the beginning of the game (prologue).

[The Elder King]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Paragade, Renegon. Anything but the eternal, smug sanctimony. But such seems to be rewarded so far. I can't imagine a pure Paragon liking Miranda or vice versa.

Indeed. There are already several threads about Bioware's Paragon favoritism. I'll rant about it until my face turns blue from the effort if making strategic choices instead of moralistic ones doesn't occasionally turn out better in the end, but I'll continue to make them in any case because I won't compromise my roleplaying for Bioware's one-sided vision of their own story should the present tendency continue.

I'm thinking that it's Ashley who will be the human LI option aimed at the Paragons. She already has all the necessary attributes except for her mistrust of non-humans. Then we have Tali who goes into the same direction. I think Miranda has a good chance to occupy a middle ground or keep her ME2 attitude which I'd classify as Renegon.

I played the first ME2 playthroughs as Paragon and I never romanced Tali. I alway choose Miranda or Jack. Even if as Paragon Shepard can't say to have much in common with Miranda, he's grateful for her efforts in bringing him back to life, and he's attracted by her strenght and intellingence. Though I have to say that when I played as Paragage/Renagon and Renegade their relationship works better. In my main ME2 playtrough Shepard started as a Paragon and during the game he becomes a Paragade. His view of the galaxy is somehow changed, and Miranda helped in that. At least I RP him like that.
Btw, what is the big difference between Paragade and Renagon? It is about if there are more Paragon or Renegade points or it is about the big decisions in ME and ME2?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri is a Key Character for me. My LI, my XO. She is very important to me in My Story of Mass Effect.

I'd hate to see her dumbed-down.:(

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 18 juillet 2011 - 07:27 .

[The Elder King]

jtav wrote...

I'm starting to think Ash is the new female lead. Very strange that the newest piece of fanservice hasn't been revealed so far is not.

As for simpler, I'm fairly certain the initial concept for Miranda was "sexy Cerberus loyalist." Her designation in game files is "vixen" for heaven sakes. It's to the credit of the team that she's more than that.

They did a huge work with her personality. The only thing I think they did wrong is her sudden change of mentality in the Suicide Mission. Not that I huge dislike her resignation, but if thet wanted to go in that way, they could have shown that she had developed some doubts about Cerberus during the game.

[Ieldra]

hhh89 wrote...
Btw, what is the big difference between Paragade and Renagon? It is about if there are more Paragon or Renegade points or it is about the big decisions in ME and ME2?

There is no fixed and agreed-upon border between the designations. My personal lines are like this: Paragon = Full Paragon bar and 50% or lower Renegade bar. Vice versa for Renegade. Neutral = anything where Paragon and Renegade points stay within 10% of each other. Paragade and Renegon are between the Neutral and the Paragon/Renegade designations.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm starting to think Ash is the new female lead. Very strange that the newest piece of fanservice hasn't been revealed so far is not.

As for simpler, I'm fairly certain the initial concept for Miranda was "sexy Cerberus loyalist." Her designation in game files is "vixen" for heaven sakes. It's to the credit of the team that she's more than that.

Yes. It's quite surprising how complex a character can get with relatively little information. Miranda actually profits from the fact that there are so many little snippets of information pointing into different directions. Because most of them don't contradict each other, we get the image of a complex character instead of a fragmented personality. There are only very few lines that don't really fit.