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[MysteryNotes]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

^ This! Though I couldn't romance her in ME2, I'll never forget her saving me after the SM! (on Insanity, no less!)

Erm, may I barrow that picture?

Barrow may refer to:

• a cart or flat rectangular tray with handles at each end
  
  • wheelbarrow
• a tumulus, a large mound of earth or stone placed over a burial site

???

[Ieldra]

@jtav:
In your post about the love triangle, you sounded as if you really don't like Miranda. At first, I thought someone had hacked your username. Did anything serious happen to your appreciation of Miranda? Not that I really believe that, but you did sound weirdly angry.

@MysteryNotes:
I valiantly refrained from pointing that out, but the username appears to be indicative of a certain handicap.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juin 2011 - 11:35 .

[jtav]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@jtav:
In your post about the love triangle, you sounded as if you really don't like Miranda. At first, I thought someone had hacked your username. Did anything serious happen to your appreciation of Miranda? Not that I really believe that, but you did sound weirdly angry..

I left out a phrase In plainer terms, I find it very hard to reconcile a sympathetic Miranda with that particular variation of the love triangle because of Redemption.

Modifié par jtav, 16 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[Repearized Miranda]

MysteryNotes wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

^ This! Though I couldn't romance her in ME2, I'll never forget her saving me after the SM! (on Insanity, no less!)

Erm, may I barrow that picture?

Barrow may refer to:

• a cart or flat rectangular tray with handles at each end
  
  • wheelbarrow
• a tumulus, a large mound of earth or stone placed over a burial site

???

[*]haha! I meant bOrrow! I messed up Reaper as well!

[MisterJB]

After more than a year, I'm still finding dialogue I had never heard before.
Omega
Jacob: This place...how can these people be left here to rot?
Miranda: You don't understand or you don't want to?
Jacob: Does it matter?
Miranda: No, Omega has always been like this. No one's changing it now.

I think I just got a window on their past relationship. Interesting, especially the first two sentences.

[who would know]

I wish Miranda actually looked like Yvonne Strahovski.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@jtav:
In your post about the love triangle, you sounded as if you really don't like Miranda. At first, I thought someone had hacked your username. Did anything serious happen to your appreciation of Miranda? Not that I really believe that, but you did sound weirdly angry..

I left out a phrase In plainer terms, I find it very hard to reconcile a sympathetic Miranda with that particular variation of the love triangle because of Redemption.

I could understand your concern if Miranda had taken the initiative in the romance. But mostly it's Shepard's doing. If he switches from Liara to Miranda without her having actively encouraged him I don't see a problem. Or is there something I'm overlooking?

[ViSeiRa]

who would know wrote...

I wish Miranda actually looked like Yvonne Strahovski.

Well to be honest she kinda looks like her, they need some work on her cheekbones and the engine's lighting in general but all in all I'd the say the modelers did a fairly good job.

[ParadoxAu]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I've always said she'd reshape Cerberus along the lines of the salarian STG. Humanity needs its own group of that kind. She'd need to purge the xenophobic extremists, yes. What I like most about the idea is that she'd inherit the enigmatic nimbus of the Illusive Man. 

As i've said earlier, My personal preference would be for Miranda to build her own Organization that could mirror that of the Salarian STG. I think she could still have that same enigmatic effect in that roll.

[mereck7980]

Wow, I walk away from the forums for a few days and you guys have really ramped up the Miranda conversation.  Whatever your opinion on what her status will be and how her character will be represented I think its awesome that this is the most popular ME3 character thread thus far!  It proves how passionate we all are to see our favorite woman in the galaxy get her just dues in the next installment of this epic franshise! 

There is one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet, what role will Miranda's father play in her story?  Miri used Cerberus to shield both herself and Orianna from him in the past, but with her possible resignation how will that play out?  Any thoughts?

[ViSeiRa]

mereck7980 wrote...

Wow, I walk away from the forums for a few days and you guys have really ramped up the Miranda conversation.  Whatever your opinion on what her status will be and how her character will be represented I think its awesome that this is the most popular ME3 character thread thus far!  It proves how passionate we all are to see our favorite woman in the galaxy get her just dues in the next installment of this epic franshise! 

There is one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet, what role will Miranda's father play in her story?  Miri used Cerberus to shield both herself and Orianna from him in the past, but with her possible resignation how will that play out?  Any thoughts?

I guess they'll finally explore the whole affair with her father, who as described by Eclipse mercs is the "wealthiest" man in the galaxy, that leaves a few options as to whom he might be actually but at the same time we never really got to explore the economics of the Mass Effect universe... also from a story angle I don't think Miri's father cares about her or even Oriana anymore, I mean giant machines are invading the galaxy trying to harvest all life, a man with his ego as Miranda would put it would most likely be obsessed with how to save himself, mostly by trying to work with the reapers or thinking about cryonics or something along that line.

From my point of view Miranda may seek her father's help, knowing his reach and wealth she might think of him as an important asset in taking down Cerberus but he'll want something in return and her story arc in ME3 can take off from there.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 16 juin 2011 - 03:27 .

[MisterJB]

A confrontation is needed. After all Miranda talked about him, the allure is just too strong. I need to know who this guy is, hear him justify his actions.
The most obvious way for his to be introduced is through Oriana, however, I hope Bioware is more creative than this. I want to meet Oriana, even if it's in the epilogue a la DA:O, but I don't want to save her again.
Meeting him is not even something Miranda would want, I think, and if Shepard pressured her to it, she would just tell him to mind his own business. So, we need a good, logical excuse for it to happen.

IMO, a good way would be through Cerberus. We know that Mr.Lawson heavily funded Cerberus before Miranda joined. It' s possible that he has sensitive intel that could lead to it's downfall, maybe even the location of The Illusive Man.

Otherwise, it could be a romance-exclusive mission. Oriana/Shepard is attacked by mercenaries hired by Mr.Lawson, Miranda decides to put an end to the threat he poses. Or, her father could have a cure for her infertility.
Yeah, I know. It's cheesy and it wouldn't make sense to do this while the Apocalypse is going on. But hey, Shepard is know to grope monkeys while the Galaxy is at stake.

[ViSeiRa]

I think initiating any kind of mission involving Miranda's father can be done in 2 ways:

[1] Either he's still hunting her and Oriana in which case she needs to deal with him in order to get him out of the way and focus on Cerberus and the reapers.

[2] Or she reaches out to him for help, and yes I know she absolutely hates him but Miranda is a smart and practical woman, if she even remotely thinks that her father can help defeat the reapers or Cerberus I can see her going out of her way to ask him for that help, only to discover in the end he has his own angle and she has to deal with him..

[mereck7980]

ViSeirA wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...

Wow, I walk away from the forums for a few days and you guys have really ramped up the Miranda conversation.  Whatever your opinion on what her status will be and how her character will be represented I think its awesome that this is the most popular ME3 character thread thus far!  It proves how passionate we all are to see our favorite woman in the galaxy get her just dues in the next installment of this epic franshise! 

There is one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet, what role will Miranda's father play in her story?  Miri used Cerberus to shield both herself and Orianna from him in the past, but with her possible resignation how will that play out?  Any thoughts?

I guess they'll finally explore the whole affair with her father, who as described by Eclipse mercs is the "wealthiest" man in the galaxy, that leaves a few options as to whom he might be actually but at the same time we never really got to explore the economics of the Mass Effect universe... also from a story angle I don't think Miri's father cares about her or even Oriana anymore, I mean giant machines are invading the galaxy trying to harvest all life, a man with his ego as Miranda would put it would most likely be obsessed with how to save himself, mostly by trying to work with the reapers or thinking about cryonics or something along that line.

From my point of view Miranda may seek her father's help, knowing his reach and wealth she might think of him as an important asset in taking down Cerberus but he'll want something in return and her story arc in ME3 can take off from there.

You might be on to something there.  A signifigant portion of Miranda's character is built around her relationship with her father.  Having her either work with or confront her father would give her the opportunity to really work through her feelings about who she is and what her place in the universe is.  And considering who her VA is these scences could be among the most emotional in the game (since we all know how good Yvonne is at her craft). 

It could also be a catalyst for Miranda creating an STG like organization to replace Cerberus, if she somehow seized her father's resources that would give her the chance to get a project of that scope off the ground.

[ViSeiRa]

mereck7980 wrote...

ViSeirA wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...

Wow, I walk away from the forums for a few days and you guys have really ramped up the Miranda conversation.  Whatever your opinion on what her status will be and how her character will be represented I think its awesome that this is the most popular ME3 character thread thus far!  It proves how passionate we all are to see our favorite woman in the galaxy get her just dues in the next installment of this epic franshise! 

There is one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet, what role will Miranda's father play in her story?  Miri used Cerberus to shield both herself and Orianna from him in the past, but with her possible resignation how will that play out?  Any thoughts?

I guess they'll finally explore the whole affair with her father, who as described by Eclipse mercs is the "wealthiest" man in the galaxy, that leaves a few options as to whom he might be actually but at the same time we never really got to explore the economics of the Mass Effect universe... also from a story angle I don't think Miri's father cares about her or even Oriana anymore, I mean giant machines are invading the galaxy trying to harvest all life, a man with his ego as Miranda would put it would most likely be obsessed with how to save himself, mostly by trying to work with the reapers or thinking about cryonics or something along that line.

From my point of view Miranda may seek her father's help, knowing his reach and wealth she might think of him as an important asset in taking down Cerberus but he'll want something in return and her story arc in ME3 can take off from there.

You might be on to something there.  A signifigant portion of Miranda's character is built around her relationship with her father.  Having her either work with or confront her father would give her the opportunity to really work through her feelings about who she is and what her place in the universe is.  And considering who her VA is these scences could be among the most emotional in the game (since we all know how good Yvonne is at her craft). 

It could also be a catalyst for Miranda creating an STG like organization to replace Cerberus, if she somehow seized her father's resources that would give her the chance to get a project of that scope off the ground.

Also we may have overlooked some insignificant detail in ME2 but one that may become more important in ME3, in her loyalty mission Niket said "I know you have spy programs in your father's systems, Miri"... that maybe another opening for a mission invloving him, as in if Miranda discovers something important her father's doing and she decided to intercept it... be that related to Cerberus, the reapers or even a chance to get back at her father once and for all, but I'd really want them not to portray her father in the absolutely "power mad" category, if he has the brains to be the wealthiest guy in the galaxy then he has the brains to know when to stop and start looking out for more than himself even if the ultimate goal is for himself to survive.

[jtav]

Those of you that know me know that my propensity to ship Miranda with almost anyone is something of a running joke. I'm in the process of reposting a Liara/Miranda story (Persistence of Memory) and it got me thinking? What kind of relationships (in a broad sense) do you want her to have with the rest of the squad? For instance, I can see lots of tension with the VS even without a love triangle. She could expand on her friendship with Liara. Would you like intra-party romance if she's single a la Isabela/Fenris?

[Ieldra]

ViSeirA wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...

Wow, I walk away from the forums for a few days and you guys have really ramped up the Miranda conversation.  Whatever your opinion on what her status will be and how her character will be represented I think its awesome that this is the most popular ME3 character thread thus far!  It proves how passionate we all are to see our favorite woman in the galaxy get her just dues in the next installment of this epic franshise! 

There is one thing I haven't seen anyone discuss yet, what role will Miranda's father play in her story?  Miri used Cerberus to shield both herself and Orianna from him in the past, but with her possible resignation how will that play out?  Any thoughts?

I guess they'll finally explore the whole affair with her father, who as described by Eclipse mercs is the "wealthiest" man in the galaxy, that leaves a few options as to whom he might be actually but at the same time we never really got to explore the economics of the Mass Effect universe... also from a story angle I don't think Miri's father cares about her or even Oriana anymore, I mean giant machines are invading the galaxy trying to harvest all life, a man with his ego as Miranda would put it would most likely be obsessed with how to save himself, mostly by trying to work with the reapers or thinking about cryonics or something along that line.

From my point of view Miranda may seek her father's help, knowing his reach and wealth she might think of him as an important asset in taking down Cerberus but he'll want something in return and her story arc in ME3 can take off from there.

Eh...that would be an interesting development. Far more than the often wished-for "we get to kill him" scenario. I've always thought Miranda's father was an ambiguous figure, one who's given Miranda great gifts, but negated any appreciation he might have gotten for that by the way he treated her. I want Miranda to come to terms with her originas, and dealing with her father one way or the other would make that more likely.

I think, however, that her story arc will center around Cerberus. If they tie her father in I'd appreciate it, but I'm sure the personal affairs of the team members will not play as big a role this time. And that is as it should be.   

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Those of you that know me know that my propensity to ship Miranda with almost anyone is something of a running joke. I'm in the process of reposting a Liara/Miranda story (Persistence of Memory) and it got me thinking? What kind of relationships (in a broad sense) do you want her to have with the rest of the squad? For instance, I can see lots of tension with the VS even without a love triangle. She could expand on her friendship with Liara. Would you like intra-party romance if she's single a la Isabela/Fenris?

Miranda and Mordin: a great friendship. They have so much in common and it's already known that Miranda envies Mordin his time with the STG.

Miranda and Kaidan: wary respect that may develop into a romance if Shepard isn't with either which they'd both acknowledge only reluctantly. Definitely a high-tension relationship at the start due to differring loyalties.

Miranda and Ashley: THE clash of personalities on the team. They're both strong women who can hold their own with Shepard, but otherwise they're complete opposites. Fire and ice, the heart and the mind, the traditional and the progressive, religion and science, soldier and operative. It would be a shame if Bioware didn't make a big thing of that. That they may compete about Shepard is almost irrelevant.

Miranda and Liara: a great deal of respect for each other and ME2 Liara is much more likely to be and stay friends with Miranda.

That's about all I can think of at this time.  

[S.A.K]

Bioware said the LI issue will be resolved by the end of ME3? you guys got any ideas how they might do that if Miranda is not a squad mate or atleast stay on the Normandy?

[MisterJB]

S.A.K wrote...

Bioware said the LI issue will be resolved by the end of ME3? you guys got any ideas how they might do that if Miranda is not a squad mate or atleast stay on the Normandy?

Unsatisfactorily, that's how.

[Ieldra]

S.A.K wrote...
Bioware said the LI issue will be resolved by the end of ME3? you guys got any ideas how they might do that if Miranda is not a squad mate or atleast stay on the Normandy?

That can be done while on-mission with her, regardless of whether she ever puts a foot onto the Normandy. I also think that regardless of her team member status throughout the game, we will meet her again around the endgame. Team member status or continued presence on the Normancy is not required to facilitate satisfying romance interactions. Having said that, I think we will see her on the Normady. For how long, that's anyone's guess.

Romance conflicts are much trickier. They can't be resolved in-mission because there is not a guarantee that the other LI will be on the squad for that mission. Unless they just make them appear for some contrived reason. Also Bioware has said the romance conflict will happen when things looks bleakest. So it is tied to the story, and doesn't depend on Shepard having done X or Y.

But in one thing you're right: continuing romances requires a certain minimum presence. I can only hope that Miranda's personal story arc doesn't take a backseat to her romance. She has such a story potential, it would very disappointing should that happen.

[Rawke]

I'm still thinking it's gonna be an all-LI-squad. It's the only way to satisfy the demands of most fans. I'm not sure about Jack and Thane (isn't Jack supposed to return as a cameo?), but since so far all confirmed squadmates are also LIs, I'd say there's a fair chance we'll see Miranda and maybe Jacob back.

On the other hand I can't see Thane or Jack as squadmates (because I personally find them less interesting and neither of them really seems like a "lasting relationship" option - Thane's dying and Jack's...well, Jack).

Having said that, I believe we'll be able to "recruit" later in the game, not right away. Probably (as many people here suggested) as part of a Cerberus storyline (I would imagine a good portion of the game concentrates on diassembling Cerberus thugs and the organisation itself). I personally hope she'll be a squadmate, simply because it's the easiest and for many fans probably the most satisfying way to conclude any relationship. Also, I found her very useful from a tactical point of view in ME2 because you could take her to almost any mission without thinking "damn, I should've taken XY with me instead". Pretty much the same role Kaidan had for me in ME1 (to a lesser extent).

[naledgeborn]

Like jtav I want (consequences and all) to see what a Miranda/Liara rivalry would look like. They already knew each other on a professional level since "Redemption". I'm anxious to see how that will play out. Hopefully the option to break things off with Liara in LotSB is carried over to ME3. But if it isn't things will get interesting.

@ MisterJB, ViSeirA
Mr. Lawson coming out from behind the curtain is a must. However saving Oriana again in "The Prodigal Pt II" will be disappointing. Let her tie things up with Oriana off screen. She has 6-8 months before the Reaper War to get that fixed.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 16 juin 2011 - 07:38 .

[jbblue05]

Do any of you Miranda fans think that because Ash seems to be the new Miranda in ME3, Miranda will just be a temp squaddie or cameo?

If Tali and Garrus are perm squaddies because of their popularity Miranda should be also
Miranda seems to be the most popular LI in the ME series, I will be shocked if she isn't a perm squaddie.

[Vertigo_1]

jbblue05 wrote...

Do any of you Miranda fans think that because Ash seems to be the new Miranda in ME3, Miranda will just be a temp squaddie or cameo?

This is my fear
On the other hand I can say with almost 100% certainty she won't be back as cameo...no way.  She is too important to the story (Cerberus) to be reduced to that type of role.

They need to bring back at least one ME2 exclusive squadmate as permanent instead of just the team from ME1 IMO