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[Vertigo_1]

flemm wrote...
BTW, any theories on what Miranda meant when
she said "Tracking him was easy once I confirmed my father worked for
The Illusive Man. Just had to follow the lies."?

Maybe the lies about Sanctuary?  Learning from relatives to had loved ones go there and then nothing is heard
I always thought she would get in contact with Lanteia from her ME2 Loyalty mission, I assume she did (plus others)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 11 mai 2012 - 06:26 .

[flemm]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Likely the lies about Sanctuary?

Hmmm, yeah, that makes sense. I guess what's implied might be...

1) It was easier to track down her father once she knew he was working for Cerberus, because of her Cerberus contacts.
2) Step 2, she followed the lies about Sanctuary to their source.

Modifié par flemm, 11 mai 2012 - 06:27 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

  this way no Mass Relays destroyed,

The Mass Relays simply MUST be destroyed in any ending besides Control. CrutchCricket will know what I am talking about.

Know? Man, if we were comic book characters we'd be mortal enemies over this. We're talking Wolverine-Sabertooth style. At least. You have no idea how infuriating it is to even hear it again. But we are rational people living in the real world and this is off topic so I will again state how pointless, arbitrary and inexcusible the destruction of the relays really is (much like the entire RGB) and just leave it there.

We now return to your regularly scheduled Miranda programming.

[MisterJB]

And as rational, reasonable and intelligent people I simply can not, in good conscience, let this go. I must argue that we are, in fact, more akin to Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

And as rational, reasonable and intelligent people I simply can not, in good conscience, let this go. I must argue that we are, in fact, more akin to Charles Xavier and Erik Lensherr.

Maybe. But both Xavier and Lensherr are able to compromise their views (or at least put them aside temporarily) in times of great need. Are we?

[MisterJB]

Times of great need..and yet, if this is not the time to make our points come across as we near the "Extended Cut" then when?
Still, I can keep it out of this thread so we can focus on getting more Miranda content.

Oh, BTW, Garrus and Tali are the King and Queen of Hearts like Shepard and Miranda are the King and Queen of Spades in the official deck.
Coincidence? I think not!

[jtav]

I'm probably going to to get yelled at for this, but unless Miranda dies at Sanctuary, the romance only feels satisfying if you pick Destroy, and even then, not really. It's a story of people who indisputably love each other, but are torn apart by circumstance. They struggle and suffer, but there's never any reward for enduring that pain. He promises to find her and never does? After finally promising her something? What kind of story is that?

[CrutchCricket]

A rushed one with a ****ed up inexcusable ending? Why you of all people accept the RGB garbage I'll never know.

JB: Yeah the Tali-Garrus thing was predictable. I don't think I heard anyone talking about it specifically but I think we all knew it was coming.

[Stalker]

jtav wrote...

I'm probably going to to get yelled at for this, but unless Miranda dies at Sanctuary, the romance only feels satisfying if you pick Destroy, and even then, not really. It's a story of people who indisputably love each other, but are torn apart by circumstance. They struggle and suffer, but there's never any reward for enduring that pain. He promises to find her and never does? After finally promising her something? What kind of story is that?

Well, honestly... I could have lived with a proper tragedy, but not even that was established.

Dissapointing as it is, Shepard's last thoughts are about Liara when he dooms the galaxy with his favorite color and then the game just cuts off and asks you to buy future DLC.
I don't see how anyone in the office could have said "Yep, that's how we end the trilogy"... 

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
They struggle and suffer, but there's never any reward for enduring that pain. He promises to find her and never does? After finally promising her something? What kind of story is that?

The endings basically do this to every plot thread in the game (or at least many of them), thus explaining why people hate them so much.

"What kind of story is that?" can apply to the endings in general, with the answer being: a badly told one.

I do like the #FindMiranda idea for this reason, though. The promise should be kept.

Modifié par flemm, 11 mai 2012 - 07:38 .

[MisterJB]

Personally, I do not believe their story must have an happy ending in order to be satisfying.
It is a tragic tale. After so many avoided promises due to them being realistic people, Shepard finally decides to be optimistic and makes a commitment. And then, so close to finishing the war, to earning a future for both of them, he realizes that in order to remain the man she loved, he has to make the ultimate sacrifice.
It's sob-worthy.

[Vertigo_1]

CrutchCricket wrote...
JB: Yeah the Tali-Garrus thing was predictable. I don't think I heard anyone talking about it specifically but I think we all knew it was coming.

You mean their romance?  I didn't see it coming!  I was waiting to meet up with Kal'Reager and see them flirt

[wright1978]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
They struggle and suffer, but there's never any reward for enduring that pain. He promises to find her and never does? After finally promising her something? What kind of story is that?

The endings basically do this to every plot thread in the game (or at least many of them), thus explaining why people hate them so much.

"What kind of story is that?" can apply to the endings in general, with the answer being: a badly told one.

I do like the #FindMiranda idea for this reason, though. The promise should be kept.

Destroy, survive and find Miranda is the only ending i can sort of find bearable despite it still containing the hideous star brat.

Modifié par wright1978, 11 mai 2012 - 07:48 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I really get the feeling that the whole "you'll destroy the Geth and EDI" thing was just the kid trying to save his own behind:

Kid: You really don't want to shoot that. Why don't you jump into that nice green beam and get disintigrated?

Shepard: What?

Kid: I mean..merge orgainic and synthetic life. Or you could just go and touch that power coupling and get electrocuted...I mean control the Reapers! You could be a god! Wouldn't that be great?

Shepard: I don't like any of these options.

[akenn312]

Just took a look at the poll numbers out of the 223 that did vote on the Miranda content question, it's actually very positive. Much more than I thought. People would like to see Miranda and Jack more in the game.

More Miranda content and romance!

Must do this 36% 83 people
I like this, but I'm not going to cry about it if it is not included in the EC. 35% 79 people
Indifferent / Unnecessary 25% 57 people
Would be detrimental 3% 6 people

So to combine both the yes and no Miranda votes it's 71% 162 people to 28 % 60 people and you could even say the people that are indefferent are not against the idea. 

So thats a good case that more Miranda content should be added. The total people that voted on the poll so far is 231 and climbing. The Pshycotic Biotic is actually beating the Ceberus Cheerleader so far with 75% positive. Very interesting.

Results here!

Modifié par akenn312, 11 mai 2012 - 07:54 .

[Ares91]

I agree that the shep Miri romance doesn't HAVE to be a happy ending. If they did a tragic one well I could deal with that. But there should be a way to have either a tragic or a happy ending. I would aim for happy of course lol

[jtav]

It doesn't feel like tragedy or proper pathos. There's no catharsis. Without fanficcing, if it must end badly, let her die.

[Babi_Siha]

The endings all suck and they are all less than satisfactory. Hopefully BioWare will take lessons from CDProjekt Red on how to make great, different endings. In The Wicher 2 the choices you make actually have an impact.

I think that what gets people even angrier is that Bioware built a lot of hype saying that our choices matter and in the end everyone felt duped. The 16 promised endings were all pretty much the same, with different colors. I like to think EA rushed Bioware like it did with DAII, but making excuses for Bioware will get old soon enough.

On the romance front, every gamer that got attached to a LI felt cheated. All the romances that we built, in some cases since the first game, didn't matter. Flemm, this is what I like about #FindMiranda too, if we can get Bioware to listen to us then at least it will feel like something good can come out of the ending.

And I just babbled and babbled and didn't really add much to the topic. Sorry!

@akenn312, I just read the poll results. Can't believe more people are voting for Jack than for Mirada.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 11 mai 2012 - 08:09 .

[Vertigo_1]

Babi_Siha wrote...
The 16 promised endings...

They never promised 16 endings
I'm not sure where that came from

Babi_Siha wrote...
I like to think EA rushed Bioware like it did with DAII, but making excuses for Bioware will get old soon enough

Maybe, but EA did want Bioware to make ME3 acessible to more people, that's why you heard the "It's the best game to jump into the series"...combat is improved sure and there's some nice story arcs like Ranoch and Genophage but the autodialog killed it for me (aside from the endings).
There were some areas that felt rushed too...like Sanctuary! See, back on topic

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 11 mai 2012 - 08:14 .

[jtav]

For my money, high EMS Control in the epilogue slides hits just the right note. He might return, but it will be a long undertaking. Synthesis works too, as a bittersweet ending, because we know exactly what his sacrifice won and her grief is acknowledged.

[wright1978]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Maybe, but EA did want Bioware to make ME3 acessible to more people, that's why you heard the "It's the best game to jump into the series"...combat is improved sure and there's some nice story arcs like Ranoch and Genophage but the autodialog killed it for me (aside from the endings).
There were some areas that felt rushed too...like Sanctuary! See, back on topic

Yep that killed it for me too alongside the endings. Miranda's poor role was an extra nail.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
I'm probably going to to get yelled at for this, but unless Miranda dies at Sanctuary, the romance only feels satisfying if you pick Destroy, and even then, not really. It's a story of people who indisputably love each other, but are torn apart by circumstance. They struggle and suffer, but there's never any reward for enduring that pain. He promises to find her and never does? After finally promising her something? What kind of story is that?

Yeah, I've complained about that - not just for Miranda, btw - in one of the first threads I made about the ending. Garrus is the best example with his talk about retiring to a nice tropical world and then ending up on a nice tropical world without femShep and with food he can't eat.

I can still only shake my head at things like this. They dropped the ball so hard with this that even gallows humor fails you.

[kookie28]

I'd like to see Miranda and chocolate strawberries in the destroy ending.

With ice cream.

MIRANDA SUNDAE!

Modifié par kookie28, 11 mai 2012 - 08:22 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
Oh, BTW, Garrus and Tali are the King and Queen of Hearts like Shepard and Miranda are the King and Queen of Spades in the official deck.
Coincidence? I think not!

Official deck? There is such a thing?

[Babi_Siha]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
They never promised 16 endings
I'm not sure where that came from

It was supposed to be 8 endings for destroying the collector base and 8 for saving it. And everyone knew that, what everyone didn't know before the game was launched was that those 16 endings were all pratically the same. Here's the endings: http://www.ls1gto.co...ad.php?t=435582 and http://www.ign.com/w...fect-3/Endings. If you still don't know where that came from, search 16 endings on this forum and you'll see that a lot of people know about that promise too.

Proves how bad we were lied too.

And the game felt rushed. Like you said, they Kasumied every character, we had very few decent side quests, I mean who can stant those quests of scanning for artifacts?

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 11 mai 2012 - 08:25 .