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[enayasoul]

kookie28 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

I was watching some clips from fraps the other day... Miranda's loyalty mission. It's sad when Miranda explains what her father was like or how she was pushed to meet impossible demands, no friends... She doesn't even know what she was to him.

I get the feeling he was either too busy and didn't think of her as a daughter at all but just a test subject or tool?

I don't even think Henry even loved her at all... buying whatever she wanted isn't love and doesn't express it.

And then watching Miranda's father at Sanctuary tell *us* that the only reason Oriana shot Henry was because of Miranda's poisonous influence. Jeepers... What an a** What about your influence Henry... *shakes head*

Anyways... I think, for me, he was all about scientific research and didn't give a **** about being a father. All about him... it seems. He wouldn't have done any better with Oriana. Probably just as worse.

This is what you call a narcissist.  Or a sociopath. 

Or just ****.

No doubt.   It amazes me how Miranda even survived... Yeah, she has some scars/insecurities underneath but she's a great character.  I think Miranda made the right decision getting Oriana away from that ******.

[o Ventus]

[quote]enayasoul wrote...

[quote]kookie28 wrote...

[quote]enayasoul wrote...

I was watching some clips from fraps the other day... Miranda's loyalty mission. It's sad when Miranda explains what her father was like or how she was pushed to meet impossible demands, no friends... She doesn't even know what she was to him.

I get the feeling he was either too busy and didn't think of her as a daughter at all but just a test subject or tool?

I don't even think Henry even loved her at all... buying whatever she wanted isn't love and doesn't express it.

And then watching Miranda's father at Sanctuary tell *us* that the only reason Oriana shot Henry was because of Miranda's poisonous influence. Jeepers... What an a** What about your influence Henry... *shakes head*

Anyways... I think, for me, he was all about scientific research and didn't give a **** about being a father. All about him... it seems. He wouldn't have done any better with Oriana. Probably just as worse.[/quote]
This is what you call a narcissist.  Or a sociopath. 

Or just ****.

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No doubt.   It amazes me how Miranda even survived...[/quote]

An insane amount of mental fortitude. More than I could muster, I'm sure.

[quote]Yeah, she has some scars/insecurities underneath but she's a great character.[/quote]

It's these same quirks that make Miranda the only "ice queen" type character I actually enjoy learning about and interacting with. Literally every single other person of the same type (That I know about) is just a cold-hearted ****, for the sake of being a cold-hearted *****.

[quote]I think Miranda made the right decision getting Oriana away from that ******.[/quote]

I tihnk that is unanimous.


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[dtrain24]

Miranda's a strong character, mentally. She's a badass to the core. Its quite understandable she has insecurities and shouldn't be looked down on.
1. It makes her character so great.
2. Who the hell wouldn't have insecurities after being treated like her father's tool?

Hell yeah she made the right choice getting Ori away from him. Niket was a fool for thinking otherwise.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

Miranda's a strong character, mentally. She's a badass to the core. Its quite understandable she has insecurities and shouldn't be looked down on.
1. It makes her character so great.
2. Who the hell wouldn't have insecurities after being treated like her father's tool?

Hell yeah she made the right choice getting Ori away from him. Niket was a fool for thinking otherwise.

I admit, I lol IRL whenever I see someone try to put down Miranda, and their key point is "BOOHOO DADDY ISSUES"

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Miranda's a strong character, mentally. She's a badass to the core. Its quite understandable she has insecurities and shouldn't be looked down on.
1. It makes her character so great.
2. Who the hell wouldn't have insecurities after being treated like her father's tool?

Hell yeah she made the right choice getting Ori away from him. Niket was a fool for thinking otherwise.

I admit, I lol IRL whenever I see someone try to put down Miranda, and their key point is "BOOHOO DADDY ISSUES"

Same here. Or "Dat ass is all she has." or "MIranda's a **** LOLOLOL I GOOD TROLL."

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Miranda's a strong character, mentally. She's a badass to the core. Its quite understandable she has insecurities and shouldn't be looked down on.
1. It makes her character so great.
2. Who the hell wouldn't have insecurities after being treated like her father's tool?

Hell yeah she made the right choice getting Ori away from him. Niket was a fool for thinking otherwise.

I admit, I lol IRL whenever I see someone try to put down Miranda, and their key point is "BOOHOO DADDY ISSUES"

Same here. Or "Dat ass is all she has." or "MIranda's a **** LOLOLOL I GOOD TROLL."

Honestly, I'd probably have less of a problem with it if they actually found a way to word their complaints better than "Miranda is such an icy b**ch lololol she looks like Michael Jackson lololol ass shots"

[Vertigo_1]

To be fair there was a lot of that in ME2. I wish they could at least come up with something more unique for each squadmate

EDIT: The daddy issues I mean

EDIT#2

POW!

BY*Vierna-Drottingu found here: my.deviantart.com/messages/#/d4zfu6r

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 mai 2012 - 06:25 .

[Dr. Doctor]

o Ventus wrote...

On Miranda's father...

Can anyone think of some antagonistic father-type figures (Or just male authority figures in general) who would fit well with Henry?

Lionel Luthor from Smallville is pretty much who I picture Henry Lawson as

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

To be fair there was a lot of that in ME2. I wish they could at least come up with something more unique for each squadmate

EDIT: The daddy issues I mean

1 conversation prior to the loyalty missions, and the loyalty mission. Not really a lot.

Depending on who you are, that is 45 minutes - 1 hour out of a 40+ hour game.

[yesikareyes]

Final image of the Alliance poster (Please leave comments in the group)



Minimalist poster idea (first draft):

[Vertigo_1]

o Ventus wrote...
1 conversation prior to the loyalty missions, and the loyalty mission. Not really a lot

No, but people remember that kind of thing...it also doesn't help when she's had to deal with him twice (ME2 and 3).  Though, at least in 3 you get a satisfying conclusion (aside from no standoff dialog between them which was foreshadowed in ME2 ...WHAT?!)

I'd have combined both missions for her loyalty mission in ME2.  In ME3 you find out his wealth and assets which also include...creating copies of Miranda/Oriana like so: www.dailymotion.com/video/x7mp39_alien-resurrection-ripley-8-meets-r_shortfilms (rated R so yeah not for the squemish)

After that she decides to take over his empire and use the money, assets, etc to help mankind, not create clones like her father did for his 'legacy'.

And yes I know it's still related to her father but he's dead at that point and with this there is character growth...moreso IMO than what we got in ME3.

As for how to tie that to the Reapers, not sure...I just came up with this and it's late here haha (I will say the resurection idea was MisterJB from some time ago, but it was so good that I still remember it today)

//EDITED for Errors

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 mai 2012 - 07:15 .

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...

flemm wrote...

Story is really the weak point, as has been pointed out many times, but it's stronger than it looks on paper, due to how awesome the SM feels.

I really liked the story better than Mass Effect, I'm probably just biased.

The story is good, it's just that it doesn't get enough screen space. Had they tied the character missions more into the main plot ME2's story would probably be my favorite.

Miranda is a factor of course. Characters carry stories, and she represents the two-edged storyline of ME2 perfectly.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I'd have combined both missions for her loyalty mission in ME2.  In ME3 you find out his wealth and assets which also include...creating copies of Miranda/Oriana like so: www.dailymotion.com/video/x7mp39_alien-resurrection-ripley-8-meets-r_shortfilms (rated R so yeah not for the squemish)

After that she decides to take over his empire and use the money, assets, etc to help mankind, not create clones like her father did for his 'legacy'.

And yes I know it's still related to her father but he's dead at that point and with this there is character growth...moreso IMO than what we got in ME3.

Can't watch that video outside the US (grrrr......goes up the wall). But since you're talking of squeamish, I guess it's somewhat horrific. I'd make this a more normal way of producing clone sisters, so that they grow in tanks but are otherwise normal children. And when Miranda finds her father's labs she also finds a small number of growing "sisters", who she later adopts and raises as her daughters.

As for how to link this to the main plot: Cooperation with Cerberus - TIM wants to create a clone army of "perfect" humans, made obedient to him by those implants he uses on his army.

That way there would've been closure for Miranda's story and a link to Cerberus, her infertility and the control chip issue.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 mai 2012 - 07:42 .

[Ieldra]

I just found an old promotional picture with Shepard and Miranda from ME2 (maybe the background is fan art, I can't say after all this time), and I was surprised to see how much this could be "Shepard and Miranda on Earth in ME3":

Modifié par Ieldra2, 12 mai 2012 - 07:55 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

BY*Vierna-Drottingu found here: my.deviantart.com/messages/#/d4zfu6r

Nice.
Reminds me how much I hate the fact that the character has been sidelined and we can't even see her in action.

Modifié par Yannkee, 12 mai 2012 - 07:57 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
So, I have entirely too much time on my hands and came out with a rough draft in person FOB conversation. This is very rough and probably a touch too sentimental:

(Miranda, with her back to the camera is speaking into a radio)Miranda: Echo team, move up! We want to be well fortified when those bastards come back.
Shepard: Miranda?
M: (turns off radio, turns, smiles) Shepard. I hope you don't mind me crashing this little party of yours.
S: You're looking better.
M: Well, being genetically engineered to heal quickly does have its advantages. I contacted some old friends and… well, I think we managed to give a few of the admirals heart attacks.
S: I admit I never thought I'd see you working for the Alliance.
M: With, not for. It's been a bit hard making the transition from "shoot on sight" to ally. But it the advancement and preservation of humanity ever meant anything, it means being here. Fighting this fight. (takes Shepard's hands in her own) I just wish I was fighting with you.
S: Me too. But this isn’t our last fight. You have a whole galaxy to rebuild when this is over. (voice catches) And I want to help you build it.
M: Shepard… You really think will still be here when it's over?
S: I don't know. But I remember what happened last time you thought neither of us would make it out. All the hell both of us been through these past few months, there's got to be a reward coming. A nice vacation. (strokes her cheek) Just the two of us.
M: I lo—
S: Tell me later. I need something to come back for.
M: All right. (wipes eyes) I should see to my men. (starts to walk off, turns back) Oh, and Shepard?
S: Yes?
M: (seizes his face in her hands and kisses him) Goodbye. (leaves)
S: I love you too

Couldn't resist a little tweak.

Nice....though I'm one those people who like their "I love yous" implied rather than said. And this makes me ponder what Miranda would do, where she'd go for a vacation. I'm reminded of Mordin's "May run tests on seashells", LOL. And of an old piece of fan art by our old thread regular Strikor2115 (ConnorMaxon on devart, though this one hasn't made it into his gallery):

[Ieldra]

I want Shepard and Miranda to have a f*cking happy ending!   Don't force me to have to choose this other crap for him to be live and be happy. 

Ah, perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying. I want a chance for Miranda and Shepard to be happy, at least a hint that this is possible, in all of the endings. I was talking about other endings because they don't have that at the moment.

As I said, I don't want to deprive others of their happy endings and options they favor - very much unlike many others here on BSN. I just want my favorite to be just as good.

[Ieldra]

Skullheart wrote...
What if the EC screws your head canon. Maybe they'll have Shepard getting out of the Normandy on Gilligan's planet with a blue baby in his arms xD.

I'm sure Mac Walters would be happy to put that in. But I don't think he'll get the chance.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Just wanted to post some meager fan art.

Link for bigger version: http://fc09.devianta...oni-d4zk4mk.png

[akenn312]

Great posters @yesikareyes keep up the good work!

[Aliqaiser]

jtav wrote...

So, I have entirely too much time on my hands and came out with a rough draft in person FOB conversation. This is very rough and probably a touch too sentimental:

(Miranda, with her back to the camera is speaking into a radio)Miranda: Echo team, move up! We want to be well fortified when those bastards come back.
Shepard: Miranda?
M: (turns off radio, turns, smiles) Shepard. I hope you don't mind me crashing this little party of yours.
S: You're looking better.
M: Well, being genetically engineered to heal quickly does have its advantages. I contacted some old friends and… well, I think we managed to give a few of the admirals heart attacks.
S: I admit I never thought I'd see you working for the Alliance.
M: With, not for. It's been a bit hard making the transition from "shoot on sight" to ally. But it the advancement and preservation of humanity ever meant anything, it means being here. Fighting this fight. (takes Shepard's hands in her own) I just wish I was fighting with you.
S: Me too. But this isn’t our last fight. You have a whole galaxy to rebuild when this is over. (voice catches) And I want to help you build it.
M: Shepard… You really think will still be here when it's over?
S: I don't know. But I remember what happened last time you thought neither of us would make it out. All the hell both of us been through these past few months, there's got to be a reward coming. A nice vacation. (strokes her cheek) Just the two of us.
M: I lo—
S: Tell me later. I need something to come back for.
M: All right. (wipes eyes) I should see to my men. (starts to walk off, turns back) Oh, and Shepard?
S: Yes?
M: (seizes his face in her hands and kisses him) Goodbye. (leaves)
S: I love you too

Couldn't resist a little tweak.

very well done,
kinda wish this was present in the end of the game, rather than that holo-talk.<_<

[hot_heart]

Kinda busy with work but just wanted to stop in and say...

Rach, amazing sketch as always. Yesika, wonderful work on the posters.
And I love that Kai Leng/Miranda drawing.

[Babi_Siha]

Asakawa wrote...

Happy hour at my favorite aussie-wannabe place and a new sketchbook for stress relief.
Tough day =/

Aussie, hm? Maybe our Miranda lounge should be inspired by that bar. Loved the drawing, don't know how you can do it with so much noise, actually I don't know how you can do it at all since I can't draw anything.

[Jebel Krong]

MisterJB wrote...

I pick Synthesis. It is actually a far better ending than anything I had pictured during the long wait for ME3. Inspired and idealistic.

eh? it's totally non-sensical and inconsistent with any theme in the entire trilogy: nothing, literally nothing points to that being any sort of 'solution' for the reaper problem.

'control' is almost as bad, but at least that was IMs goal in ME3 (though again that was inconsistent with TIMs ME2 stated aims).

and finally 'destroy', which simply totally invalidates EDI/Geth developments in ME2/3, but at least gives you a glimmer of hope for Shepard at the end.

none of the endings are remotely suitable, really, it's almost they were done by another team for lack of time and then bolted on at the end of development - they are so jarring - and none of the cut-scenes make any sense whatsoever, particularly regarding what happens to the normandy/crew.

The darkmatter story should have been developed for the conclusion, though even then there is no real logical connection to the reapers actions.

the weird thing is: the tone of the game, the whole 'sum of the trilogy' and feel is really well done, and you do have quality moments with almost every character (just not enough with some) - no other game has let you feel the history of your interaction and development of characters like ME3 does, it is literally just the final bit from the hill charge where it comes off the rails (harbinger doesn't say anything, really?! - could have been any reaper). In fact it could have ended there and i would have been less disappointed.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 12 mai 2012 - 11:08 .

[Jebel Krong]

yesikareyes wrote...

Final image of the Alliance poster (Please leave comments in the group)

that's vey nicely done. i cannot see character-specific ME3 dlc being developed, however.