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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...
But a reunion scene would be great, ideally with lines.


A reunion scene is really a must have.

btw, how many people here managed to finish a second playthrough ?


i haven't. My PS3 CE edition arrived, and I'm just playing multiplayer. I didn't have the will to start my single player campaign, I've just been reprising my Me2 games, since I started a new PSN acc, so getting trophies again, blahblahblah. I feel happy when playing ME2. Something that doesn't happen with ME3.

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CrutchCricket wrote...
I meant in the spirit of damage control, if not the letter. It seems like the writers went "oh wait, why is Miranda scared of this guy again? He's about as threatening as this Tali plushy. Oh well, too late to change it now. Just give him a slightly angry line and a frown and hope no one notices."

Hardly. I'm more inclined to believe the writer just realized he had to cram everything into a single conversation

And if I have to do six degrees of separation for every one of his supposedly present characteristics then no I cannot conclude his character is "all there".

Frankly, I have no idea why this term is being employed here.
I list to him speak, I hear lines that fall in line what with he already had heard of him in ME2, I conclude it's all there.

The Oriana shield shows just how much of a weakling this portrayal really is. The Lawson Miranda supposedly feared would never have needed to reach this last resort.

And why not? Sure, give him some more powerful defenses first. I would focus on showing the results of his work; maybe an army of Husks or similar creatures, maybe turn Oriana into a boss fight or maybe show a rudimentar version of the technology TIM later uses. But when all of that is trough, why not use Oriana as a shield? It's smart.
Letting her go with Miranda in the vinicity? Not so smart.

The point here is to show that Miranda has grown, no longer needs to fear him and can free herself of him. Not make him invicible.

And change his goddamned name!

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What's wrong with Henry Lawson? Other than the fact that the actual Henry Lawson was a well-known Australian poet.

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Can someone provide me a Kaidan and Miranda photo? No romance oriented ones. It's for an alliance poster with the Kaidanites.

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I think your gonna have to make one or get someone else to.

However I did find this awesome chibi ME3 pic.IDk if its been posted before but Im gonna show it. And while I dont really like chibi this thing is great.
I love how the teams are set up. Personally I think MaleSheps team would beat femsheps. And No its not just cus maleshep has Miranda lol :police:


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The problem is that his name is Henry Lawson. That is, Miranda has been using her given name, the name she shares with the richest man in the galaxy, despite being a spy who was a member of a terrorist organization.

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But even worse is that Oriana calls herself "Lawson" twice forgoing the fact she should feel no attachment to the name.
It's like they don't believe we can understand the concept of two sister who grew up in different familes having different surnames. If they are so afraid we will forget Miranda has a sister named Oriana (small chance of that happening in ME3), they could simply have Shepard remember the player that she is, in fact, Miranda's sister. As for the email in ME2:

"To: Commander Shepard
From: Oriana Smith (Lawson)"

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yesikareyes wrote...

Can someone provide me a Kaidan and Miranda photo? No romance oriented ones. It's for an alliance poster with the Kaidanites.

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MisterJB wrote...

Hardly. I'm more inclined to believe the writer just realized he had to cram everything into a single conversation

I don't think he did. If he realized he would've made it better.

I list to him speak, I hear lines that fall in line what with he already had heard of him in ME2, I conclude it's all there.

There is too much supposition, too much extrapolation you have to do to "find" all the pieces.  I don't know why you credit all that but I do not.

And why not? Sure, give him some more powerful defenses first. I would focus on showing the results of his work; maybe an army of Husks or similar creatures, maybe turn Oriana into a boss fight or maybe show a rudimentar version of the technology TIM later uses. But when all of that is trough, why not use Oriana as a shield? It's smart.
Letting her go with Miranda in the vinicity? Not so smart.

The point here is to show that Miranda has grown, no longer needs to fear him and can free herself of him. Not make him invicible.

And change his goddamned name!

Because he shouldn't have to. Like I said before there's a reason Miranda kept running for nearly 20 years. Because nothing she could do could bring her father down. She may be perfect and brilliant and all that but Lawson should be far beyond her. Even if you take only the bare minimum equation: Lawson= Miranda + unlimited resources - conscience and compassion, the result of that is something far above the pathetic weakling we're shown. And don't fool youself, nothing we or Miranda faced could be considered "Lawson's defences". Everything was either from Cerberus or the Reapers. Without them he'd be no harder to kill than a LOKI mech. Unacceptable.

Lawson need not be invincible. But if he claims mastery over his creation he should prove it. Everything Miranda throws at him he should anticipate and counter with the vast resources at his command. I'm starting to think of Thrawn in comparison as well. Nothing she does should take him by surprise. He should know her moves before she does. It should only be through an unforseen factor (like an indirect interference from Shepard or the Reapers) that Miranda is able to overcome his defenses and finish the confrontation.

I don't even mind Oriana as a hostage. But any weakling can hold a gun on a teenager. The true Lawson would merely sneer at Miranda pointing a gun at him and coldly inform her that the minute she kills him an implant monitoring his life signs will send an elevator with Oriana locked inside plummeting 50 stories. Can she do it? When she can't he taunts her about her weakness. Cue Shepard signaling her that he broke into said elevator and rescued Oriana. A split second later Miranda fires. We see Lawson's face, a mix of shock and rage. Then he falls. That is a worthy end.

And why you are willing to overlook all these failings yet keep complaining about the name, I'll never know. Miranda isn't hiding from her father. Lawson knows where she is. He just can't do anything about it.

Oriana using it however is a major fail.

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MisterJB wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

Can someone provide me a Kaidan and Miranda photo? No romance oriented ones. It's for an alliance poster with the Kaidanites.

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Thanks, JB! This is exactly what we need bwahahahaha :devil:

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Ares91 wrote...

I think your gonna have to make one or get someone else to.

However I did find this awesome chibi ME3 pic.IDk if its been posted before but Im gonna show it. And while I dont really like chibi this thing is great.
I love how the teams are set up. Personally I think MaleSheps team would beat femsheps. And No its not just cus maleshep has Miranda lol :police:


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lol Reeger made the list even though he's not of the Normandy or otherwise a major character?

And if it's teams MaleShep needs Kasumi. Let's try and trade Vega for her and hope they fall for it.:D

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MShep has both Ash and Miranda? Complete rout.

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Yannkee wrote...

This is how I would picture the fight on cronos station if Miranda could be here :

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Badass.

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Ares91 wrote...

I think your gonna have to make one or get someone else to.

However I did find this awesome chibi ME3 pic.IDk if its been posted before but Im gonna show it. And while I dont really like chibi this thing is great.
I love how the teams are set up. Personally I think MaleSheps team would beat femsheps. And No its not just cus maleshep has Miranda lol :police:


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Yup, Male Shepard side wins. He has Grunt, Samara and Thane, in addition to Miranda.

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maleShep has Samara and Jack. The most powerful biotics from the squadmates. And Miranda, with her tactics femShep team has no chance.

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Skullheart wrote...

maleShep has Samara and Jack. The most powerful biotics from the squadmates. And Miranda, with her tactics femShep team has no chance.


Not to mention Joker and EDI, so they basically have the support of the enitre Normandy and her weapon systems.

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o Ventus wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

This is how I would picture the fight on cronos station if Miranda could be here :

*snip*


Badass.


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They really didn't think it through. The teams are so unbalanced.

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CrutchCricket wrote...
And why you are willing to overlook all these failings yet keep complaining about the name, I'll never know. Miranda isn't hiding from her father. Lawson knows where she is. He just can't do anything about it.

I am not overlooking anything. I have never said Henry Lawson was perfectly represented in ME3. Yes, what we see of him in person (reverting the Reaper signal IS impressive) is very unimpressive.
I am simply making a distinction between what I liked and what I didn't. I liked his dialogue, I liked how I can extrapolate an interesting character from it.
I did not like that using Oriana as a meat shield was, seemingly, his only way out and that he actually lets her go while Miranda is more than capable of killing him. That was stupid.

And it doesn't matter whether Henry can or can't touch Miranda while she was with Cerberus. Depending on the mission, he last thing Miranda, as a member of a terrorist organization, wants is to call attention upon herself. Using the name of the richest man in the galaxy would be a mistake. It calls attention, it is remarkable and memorable.

It should only be through an unforseen factor (like an indirect interference from Shepard or the Reapers) that Miranda is able to overcome his defenses and finish the confrontation.


First and foremost, I disagree. Miranda should defeat her father, leaving no room for doubt who is the superior Lawson.
But, curiously, if you pay close attention, you will notice Henry only uses Oriana as an hostage after Shepard enters into the equation.

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Td1984 wrote...

They really didn't think it through. The teams are so unbalanced.


Teams are never really balanced. You draft the players with the best track record first. Male Shepard probably just knocked out the referee's and drafted them all at once.

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o Ventus wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

They really didn't think it through. The teams are so unbalanced.


Teams are never really balanced. You draft the players with the best track record first. Male Shepard probably just knocked out the referee's and drafted them all at once.


Only thing I'd change is to put Wrex on Maleshep's team.
I love Grunt, but I love Wrex more.  Wrex would probably win the fight.
He has tons of experience, and amazing combat/biotic skills.

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MisterJB wrote...
And it doesn't matter whether Henry can or can't touch Miranda while she was with Cerberus. Depending on the mission, he last thing Miranda, as a member of a terrorist organization, wants is to call attention upon herself. Using the name of the richest man in the galaxy would be a mistake. It calls attention, it is remarkable and memorable.

On a spy mission, she wouldn't use "Miranda Lawson". Lazarus is not a spy mission. And let's not start on the whole "can they link a famous person to a last name" thing again.

First and foremost, I disagree. Miranda should defeat her father, leaving no room for doubt who is the superior Lawson.

If she could do it by herself she would've done it already, decades ago. Who the superior Lawson really is is up for debate (at least in the version where he isn't a chump). But I do not doubt that Miranda can defeat her father. She just needs an opening, something he can't expect or guard against. That's either Shepard or the Reapers.

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CrutchCricket wrote...
On a spy mission, she wouldn't use "Miranda Lawson". Lazarus is not a spy mission. And let's not start on the whole "can they link a famous person to a last name" thing again.

And why would Miranda tell her real name to just about anyone in Cerberus? Or, hell, to the greatest hero of the Alliance that she suspected would one day turn against Cerberus?
Miranda's real name being "Lawson" does not make a shread of sense no matter how you look at it.

If she could do it by herself she would've done it already, decades ago. Who the superior Lawson really is is up for debate (at least in the version where he isn't a chump). But I do not doubt that Miranda can defeat her father. She just needs an opening, something he can't expect or guard against. That's either Shepard or the Reapers.

I can come up with a good number of reasons why Miranda wouldn't kill her father before. Maybe there was no point in taking the risk. It always takes him a reasonable amount of time to find Oriana and thus, it is safer just to move her every 20 years rather than return to the Lawson household.

Miranda can create that opening herself. It just costs her life.

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MisterJB wrote...
And why would Miranda tell her real name to just about anyone in Cerberus? Or, hell, to the greatest hero of the Alliance that she suspected would one day turn against Cerberus?
Miranda's real name being "Lawson" does not make a shread of sense no matter how you look at it.

Hiding it achieves nothing. And given Cerberus's segregated nature I doubt "anyone" in Cerberus counts for very much. Also she didn't suspect Shepard would turn against them, she merely wanted to be prepared in case he did. And since he already saw TIM, her own identity is irrelevant.
Her real name is inconsequential.

I can come up with a good number of reasons why Miranda wouldn't kill her father before. Maybe there was no point in taking the risk. It always takes him a reasonable amount of time to find Oriana and thus, it is safer just to move her every 20 years rather than return to the Lawson household.

Miranda can create that opening herself. It just costs her life.

You really think pragmatic Miranda would choose a life of constantly running and looking over not just her shoulder but Oriana's over eliminating the source of the problem? Her own personal "cycle"? And also allowing unexpected surprises like Niket to pop up? Nonsense. If she could've taken him out she would have.
Taking out Lawson would advance not just her agenda but Cerberus' as well. Remember he's rich and he withdrew support once he found out they were protecting her. Why wouldn't she remove him, take over his empire and use the funds for Cerberus' goals? Only reason: she can't. Not alone.

And not everyone wants to be a martyr.

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CrutchCricket wrote...
Hiding it achieves nothing. And given Cerberus's segregated nature I doubt "anyone" in Cerberus counts for very much. Also she didn't suspect Shepard would turn against them, she merely wanted to be prepared in case he did. And since he already saw TIM, her own identity is irrelevant.
Her real name is inconsequential.

Hiding diminishes the risks that would come to her should she be betrayed by anyone.
Let's say Shepard left Cerberus but Miranda didn't. Her knows her indentity, it won't be hard to tell who her father is. Shepard can simply approach him with a proposal of an alliance between the Lawson Industries and the Alliance to destroy Cerberus.
Hell, the Shadow Broker could have done this rather tan have Wilson sabotage some mechs.

And, unlike Miranda, TIM doesn't have an indentity. He rarely leaves Cronos whose location is unkwnown.

I can come up with a good number of reasons why Miranda wouldn't kill her father before. Maybe there was no point in
You really think pragmatic Miranda would choose a life of constantly running and looking over not just her shoulder but Oriana's over eliminating the source of the problem? Her own personal "cycle"? And also allowing unexpected surprises like Niket to pop up? Nonsense. If she could've taken him out she would have.
Taking out Lawson would advance not just her agenda but Cerberus' as well. Remember he's rich and he withdrew support once he found out they were protecting her. Why wouldn't she remove him, take over his empire and use the funds for Cerberus' goals? Only reason: she can't. Not alone.

And do you think that if it was so easy to just take over the Lawson Industries, TIM wouldn't have given Miranda whatever support she needed to do it a long time ago?

And maybe Miranda was simply uncertain wheter or not she could kill her father. In my preferred scenario, she would do it by herself in ME3.