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[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

First: "Shepard, it's so good to finally see you.
You too, Miranda".

Second, when Miranda makes it clear that she still wants to be a part of his plans, Shepard starts smiling and only stops when Miranda expresses concern over Oriana.

My conclusion, it has been half a year and Shepard was as much in the dark about their relationship as she was. And while I don't believe a goodbye kiss would have been out of place, Miranda is not one for public displays of affection.

Yeah, but even if he says that his expression, or lack of, says otherwise. And while it's true that Shepard showed some emotion when he said "I'll always want you in my life" and did smile, I feel that those two things don't make up for his coldness when he first saw Miranda, regardless if he was in the dark or not.

He also shows emotion in other parts of the game, but I think that in the times he actually needed to show he failed. Like, as I mentioned before, Miranda being attacked by Kai Leng his reaction is pretty much the same he'd have if it were anyone he knew. And when Miranda dies, Shepard doesn't look like to be all that heartbroken, sure he has the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders but that doesn't mean he couldn't feel devasted at that moment.

[enayasoul]

TimberOwls wrote...

Well, if we go by the stupid notion that the Relays all get destroyed, it's very sad to think that Miranda finally rescues her sister, thinking they could have a (maybe) normal life together, and then all the Relays blow up meaning she'll never see her again. How'd you think she'd actually take that? Considering everything she's done for Ori and all that.

Do you actually think Miranda would let Oriana out of her sight with the Reaper war going on? 

[jtav]

Considering Miranda's about to wade into an army of husks? Yes. Earth isn't someplace safe.

[TimberOwls]

Depends on what Miranda's up to during that battle I guess. If she's doing her 'fighter pilot thing' then I doubt Oriana is with her. Besides, I wouldn't want my sister anywhere near Earth in it's current state.

[enayasoul]

kratos0294 wrote...

I would never let miranda die and never break her heart. I actually like these scenes because they show just how much she trully cared for him. She, from the bottom of her heart, loved him. I'm happy to know that there are these scenes and that she doesn't just die without a heartwreching dialogue. And i would've been very disappointed if in her break up scene, she would've been like in ME2 where she is cool with it. I'm glad these scenes exist because they show her passion towards him. Now if only we would've been able to see that without breaking up or kill her, that would've been much better.

Exactly this... It does show us how much she loves him.  If she really is uncomfortable showing emotions in public that would explain it.   He sort of did at her apartment.  I liked it.

Shepard showing more emotion towards her, yes.  I think he kind of does... I love the part in Sanctuary where he tells Miranda.  "I think you did okay."  He kind of flirted with a smile.  He does touch her... telling her he found her... and the glove near her cheek when she ask him to be careful. 

I still think they should have kissed!  Damn it biowere!  An renegade interrupt kiss...  Shepard grabs her arm and moves in planting a nice yummy kiss on her beautiful lips.  And her saying  "Bastard."  haha....  :D

[dtrain24]

@Enaya
Renegade?!
Paragon interrupt for that all the way!

[MisterJB]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Yeah, but even if he says that his expression, or lack of, says otherwise. And while it's true that Shepard showed some emotion when he said "I'll always want you in my life" and did smile, I feel that those two things don't make up for his coldness when he first saw Miranda, regardless if he was in the dark or not.

I did not see any coldness from Shepard. I saw someone who didn't know how much things might have changed and thus, didn't know how to act. Would it be appropriate to hug her? Kiss her?
When he realized she did want him, he all but told her she was the "one".

He also shows emotion in other parts of the game, but I think that in the times he actually needed to show he failed. Like, as I mentioned before, Miranda being attacked by Kai Leng his reaction is pretty much the same he'd have if it were anyone he knew. And when Miranda dies, Shepard doesn't look like to be all that heartbroken, sure he has the weight of the galaxy on his shoulders but that doesn't mean he couldn't feel devasted at that moment.

Just hear the pain in his voice when he says "We'll get you out of here...".

Still, I agree that there could have been additional scenes. For instance, a romance exclusive version of his reaction to Miranda being attacked and maybe a scene before the attack on Cronos where Shepard hold a photo of Miranda.
There was a great scene in the leaked script that, tragically, didn't make it into the game.

Shepard: "I was thinking about Miranda. She was special. I was trying to remember if I ever told her that."

[TimberOwls]

Bet that line got cut in favour of something for Liara.... ¬_¬

[Babi_Siha]

dtrain24 wrote...

@Enaya
Renegade?!
Paragon interrupt for that all the way!

For some reason I think renegade interrupt would be more symbolic since their first kiss in ME2 came from a renegade option. Too bad that was the only real kiss we got from them, damn Bioware and the stupid treatment they gave Miranda, Shepard should've totally kissed Miranda at Sanctuary.

[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

Still, I agree that there could have been additional scenes. For instance, a romance exclusive version of his reaction to Miranda being attacked and maybe a scene before the attack on Cronos where Shepard hold a photo of Miranda.
There was a great scene in the leaked script that, tragically, didn't make it into the game.

Shepard: "I was thinking about Miranda. She was special. I was trying to remember if I ever told her that."

That quote you just posted is from the leaked script? If it is, I can't believe it didn't make the cut. BTW, he should definitely tell her that in the EC.

And how I would love if Shepard had a picture of Miranda that he could stare at it before heading to Cronos.

[dtrain24]

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

@Enaya
Renegade?!
Paragon interrupt for that all the way!

For some reason I think renegade interrupt would be more symbolic since their first kiss in ME2 came from a renegade option. Too bad that was the only real kiss we got from them, damn Bioware and the stupid treatment they gave Miranda, Shepard should've totally kissed Miranda at Sanctuary.

I see, but Shepard kissing Miranda on Sancutary would be a huge sign of love. In Mass Effect 2, it was a sign of a fling as opposed to a more heartfelt romance. (There should have been a Paragon kiss as well)
Besides, it might scare some people. They wouldn't want to click the Renegade interrupt and have Shepard do something ****-ish.

[enayasoul]

Honestly, I was a bit scared to choose the renegade kiss(ME2) because I didn't know what Miranda might do to Shepard. I love that scene. I chuckle every time. Love it when Miranda tells Shepard to stop smiling. he he. I like both versions but prefer the renegade on more and the hug.

[Babi_Siha]

dtrain24 wrote...

I see, but Shepard kissing Miranda on Sancutary would be a huge sign of love. In Mass Effect 2, it was a sign of a fling as opposed to a more heartfelt romance. (There should have been a Paragon kiss as well)
Besides, it might scare some people. They wouldn't want to click the Renegade interrupt and have Shepard do something ****-ish.

Hahah, you do have a point there. I'm still hoping for that kiss,let's hope BW will actually do something good and give us that in the EC and/or a DLC.

[dtrain24]

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I see, but Shepard kissing Miranda on Sancutary would be a huge sign of love. In Mass Effect 2, it was a sign of a fling as opposed to a more heartfelt romance. (There should have been a Paragon kiss as well)
Besides, it might scare some people. They wouldn't want to click the Renegade interrupt and have Shepard do something ****-ish.

Hahah, you do have a point there. I'm still hoping for that kiss,let's hope BW will actually do something good and give us that in the EC and/or a DLC.

You have no clue how much I want that.

[TomY90]

dtrain24 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I see, but Shepard kissing Miranda on Sancutary would be a huge sign of love. In Mass Effect 2, it was a sign of a fling as opposed to a more heartfelt romance. (There should have been a Paragon kiss as well)
Besides, it might scare some people. They wouldn't want to click the Renegade interrupt and have Shepard do something ****-ish.

Hahah, you do have a point there. I'm still hoping for that kiss,let's hope BW will actually do something good and give us that in the EC and/or a DLC.

You have no clue how much I want that.

I imagine bioware might be considering DLC to satisfy all our needs for 'closure' on the romance front and fingers crossed we actually get them to kiss (except for a kiss on the cheek in ME3, the death scene and the engine room in ME2)

I would virtually guarantee you see something to do with Shepard and your LI in the extended cut and I imagine we will actually see shepard and Miranda kiss and living together (never know could be some baby Shepard's running around, I know LOTSB ruined that notion but I still want Shepard to have a family after everything dammit)

Modifié par TomY90, 16 mai 2012 - 02:01 .

[dtrain24]

TomY90 wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I see, but Shepard kissing Miranda on Sancutary would be a huge sign of love. In Mass Effect 2, it was a sign of a fling as opposed to a more heartfelt romance. (There should have been a Paragon kiss as well)
Besides, it might scare some people. They wouldn't want to click the Renegade interrupt and have Shepard do something ****-ish.

Hahah, you do have a point there. I'm still hoping for that kiss,let's hope BW will actually do something good and give us that in the EC and/or a DLC.

You have no clue how much I want that.

I imagine bioware might be considering DLC to satisfy all our needs for 'closure' on the romance front and fingers crossed we actually get them to kiss (except for a kiss on the cheek in ME3, the death scene and the engine room in ME2)

I would virtually guarantee you see something to do with Shepard and your LI in the extended cut and I imagine we will actually see shepard and Miranda kiss and living together (never know could be some baby Shepard's running around, I know LOTSB ruined that notion but I still want Shepard to have a family after everything dammit)

You gave me hope, now its only fair I return the favor and gave you some.
If the cure for the genophage was possible, and with all the medical sciences available, I'm sure Miranda's infertility could be fixed.
If worst comes to worst, it may bring back some personal demons, but Shepard and Miranda could use BOTH of their genes to genetically create a child. Shepard would be able to talk Miranda into it being the right thing, and its a good morale choice as well. ("Miranda, your father was a madman. We'll be great parents")

[Dr. Doctor]

Anderson actually has a cut line from the "its quite a view" conversation on the Citadel where he asks Shepard if he ever plans to settle down. It's not dependent upon LI but other than LOTSB it's the only hint we get of Shepard's plans for the future.

[feliciano2040]

Damn !

Replying a little late to my question about how Miri fans see the ending, I guess that if there has to be one over here that actually loves them, despite some flaws, then I guess it has to be me  ! Still, for anyone interested in discussing, a single point that bothers me:

Why the hell do some people keep bringing the "mass molestation" thing ? This is Mass Effect people, the majority of the decisions, if not all of them, involve making choices based solely on your own personal judgement, which ends up having massive repercusions on the entire galaxy, you don't release the rachni queen, kill the council, blow up the heretics, cure the genophage, among others, by summoning general elections, you just choose, and then hope the galaxy likes it, or not.

The RGB decisions, specifically Synthesis, are not any different than every decision in the series that has massive ramifications and large consequences to the galaxy in general.

RANT OVER.

Miranda, you're the best ! (futile attempt to keep on-topic).

Modifié par feliciano2040, 16 mai 2012 - 02:41 .

[MisterJB]

Short-sightedness, close-mindedness, judgmentalism, hipocrisy, take your pic.

[Skullheart]

One of the things I wanted was a kiss of them in Sanctuary, and Oriana with the "seems you are having fun" line.

[feliciano2040]

MisterJB wrote...

Short-sightedness, close-mindedness, judgmentalism, hipocrisy, take your pic.

I can perfectly accept people disliking the ending, that's perfectly fine.

But there's too much absurdity to this controversy, the simple fact that so many people think of it as an abomination it's kinda flabbergasting, specially when many of those people believe there's nothing wrong with Destroy, sure friend, committing the largest genocide in galactic history, along with exchanging one cycle of extinction for another surely is the best path  !

Also, Miri is awesome.

[Sigyn2011]

Hello, everyone. Glad to see that I wasn't the only one slightly disappointed with Miranda's romance. If any of you might be interested, take a look at this:

http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3798387/

I do take a few liberties with her character, but I hope that you might enjoy it.

[Dr. Doctor]

MisterJB wrote...

Short-sightedness, close-mindedness, judgmentalism, hipocrisy, take your pic.

Either that or touching that button on Sur'Kesh sent Shepard to a parallel universe where satisfying conclusions don't exist.

[Td1984]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

You know, Miranda's focus on Ori is ironic. She spends all her energy on her, but she is destined to always lose her. How very poetic.

Well, a couple of points...

1) I'm not sure that's true, strictly speaking. Oriana is no longer on Sanctuary, presumably Miranda took her to a safe location, perhaps her new base of operations? FTL travel still works. Might she even be fighting alongside Miranda on earth? Why wouldn't she, given the circumstances?

2) I don't think it's a huge issue either way. Miranda wants to save Orianna from her father. So, if Oriana survives, wherever that happens, then Miranda has given her that chance at life.

I agree on the possibility Oriana is fighting alongside Miranda. After all, at this juncture it's "fight or die." There's no excuse for anyone capable of fighting to not be doing so (either directly or via maintaining supply lines). Not that I know this from experience, but supposedly if Miranda's dead in ME3, Oriana is more than capable of handling herself, so again, why would that not be the case when Miranda's alive? I think it's plausible Oriana's there too.

[Skullheart]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Short-sightedness, close-mindedness, judgmentalism, hipocrisy, take your pic.

Either that or touching that button on Sur'Kesh sent Shepard to a parallel universe where satisfying conclusions don't exist.

The salarian warned him 13 times and he didn't listen. Poor soul.