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[yesikareyes]

Hey guys! If you can spare a moment, please tweet your support for the Kaidanites with the hash tag #Kaidanswaiting as a form of thanks for their donations to our ChipIn.

[flemm]

yesikareyes wrote...

Hey guys! If you can spare a moment, please tweet your support for the Kaidanites with the hash tag #Kaidanswaiting as a form of thanks for their donations to our ChipIn.

Will do

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
http://findmiranda.c...miranda-posters

Only 4 contributors so far? Boo!

Just donated $10...I'd chip in more but I'm graduating in a few days so I spent my money on ring, yearbook, cap and gown, flying my brother in from Chicago, etc

Still need to finish my poster for this...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 17 mai 2012 - 12:40 .

[dtrain24]

Hey, got quiet in here.
Guess I'll post a picture to liven things up.



Yay Miranda!!

Modifié par dtrain24, 17 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[Shotokanguy]

You guys have filled up so many pages discussing this character; chances are you've already talked about something like this, but since I can't seem to stop myself from fantasizing about what could have been...what do you think about this sort of character arc for Miranda?

One scene I would've wanted to see was Miranda's thoughts on having a child. After the relationship is significantly developed (oh, what could have been), you should have a discussion with her about how she feels about her ability to be a mother at some point in her life. 

Assuming that in this alternate reality, Miranda's character was given a bit more detail and we see her doing a balancing act between what she wants to be and what her father made her, it would be a legitimate concern for her, whether or not she can raise a child well. Would she know how to show how much she cares? Would she instill the right sense of morals in him/her, especially taking into account that Shepard will have not only influenced her, but will likely be alongside her later on?

I think that's the gist of the idea, but I might not have expressed it completely. Still, you guys probably covered something like this. Just thought it would have been good development for her. Likely would've made her more sympathetic too.

[feliciano2040]

Shotokanguy wrote...

One scene I would've wanted to see was Miranda's thoughts on having a child. After the relationship is significantly developed (oh, what could have been), you should have a discussion with her about how she feels about her ability to be a mother at some point in her life.

Kind of a missed oportunity to be honest.

I've always assumed it'd hurt her, but she'd be able to shrug it off and really focus on Oriana, who she really loves more than anything.

[dtrain24]

Shotokanguy wrote...

You guys have filled up so many pages discussing this character; chances are you've already talked about something like this, but since I can't seem to stop myself from fantasizing about what could have been...what do you think about this sort of character arc for Miranda?

One scene I would've wanted to see was Miranda's thoughts on having a child. After the relationship is significantly developed (oh, what could have been), you should have a discussion with her about how she feels about her ability to be a mother at some point in her life. 

Assuming that in this alternate reality, Miranda's character was given a bit more detail and we see her doing a balancing act between what she wants to be and what her father made her, it would be a legitimate concern for her, whether or not she can raise a child well. Would she know how to show how much she cares? Would she instill the right sense of morals in him/her, especially taking into account that Shepard will have not only influenced her, but will likely be alongside her later on?

I think that's the gist of the idea, but I might not have expressed it completely. Still, you guys probably covered something like this. Just thought it would have been good development for her. Likely would've made her more sympathetic too.

Miranda would be a great mother. She is very sympathetic for those she cares about, like Shepard and Oriana.  She wouldn't let anything bad happen to her child, and she'd know she'd have a man like Shepard to protect her if need be. Shepard would be a good father as well, so he and Miranda could learn from each other and go along with parenting.

[Shotokanguy]

dtrain24 wrote...

Miranda would be a great mother. She is very sympathetic for those she cares about, like Shepard and Oriana.  She wouldn't let anything bad happen to her child, and she'd know she'd have a man like Shepard to protect her if need be. Shepard would be a good father as well, so he and Miranda could learn from each other and go along with parenting.

Let me emphasize, though, that in this hypothetical world where the entire series went a little differently, Miranda would've been different. Harder, less quick to change.

I'm sure most of us here were kind of disappointed that the Miranda in the first couple of hours of ME2 disappears almost completely once you get the Normandy.

[Landon7001]

how could bioware have treated such a good and popular character as miranda as they did in me 3, the romance was so empty and lonely and lacking.....

[kookie28]

LIA 2 Project pdf is up now.

kiwi6.com/file/8j1c51u075

A lot of Thane art.  But I saw some Miranda images I recognize.

Modifié par kookie28, 17 mai 2012 - 04:01 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Shotokanguy wrote...

I'm sure most of us here were kind of disappointed that the Miranda in the first couple of hours of ME2 disappears almost completely once you get the Normandy.

I sort of had the impression that TIM ordered her to "play nice" after Minuteman Station. Shepard probably wouldn't be too cooprerative if she was constantly doubting Shepard's every decision.

If you want a little glimpse back to Miranda from the begining of ME2 break up with her in ME3. She goes right back to that cold tone of voice that she has on Lazarus Station. It's a heartbreaking scene and it makes me feel like a horrible person everytime I choose that option but it's incredibly well animated and voiced.

[MisterJB]

I think it was due to Shepard having accepted to working with Cerberus and performing well on Freedom's Progress. She is still more than capable of questioning his decisions but there is a point where more antagonism would just be counterproductive.

Still, personally, I would have made it dependant on your choice regarding Veetor. If you don't give him to Cerberus, it takes longer for Miranda to warm to Shepard.

[Shotokanguy]

I don't think TIM would've even needed to tell her to "play nice". Miranda wouldn't battle Shepard at every turn, she'd give her opinion and then follow his lead.

But on a more personal level, I would've liked to see Shepard's actions influence her own treatment of him outside of a mission related setting. If you continually demonstrate a personality Miranda doesn't respect, (again, going back to the hypothetical version of Mass Effect, maybe you could've RP'd what is, essentially, a much more sadistic Renegade) she will never be more than your loyal and competent XO. If you make a point to impress her and help her out when she needs it, she becomes much more.

Modifié par Shotokanguy, 17 mai 2012 - 06:05 .

[alxboss78]

Guys, just a small suggestion that might have been discussed but i just never read it. Your efforts (with the campaign, the book etc.) would be worth, to also be turned to Strahovski. I mean, let's face it there are two parts to the equasion that need agreeing for better Miranda content. So it's good that you focus on Bioware, but i believe copies of your efforts should also be sent to Strahovski. I think she digs these type of things and anyway it would be worth a shot. Maybe it will convince her to lower her demands for a comeback and do it more easily... who knows...

[Ieldra]

@Shotokanguy:
I don't think it would've been a good idea to include discussions of parenthood in the game. Personally, I'd be totally against it, unless it was tied to some plot point somewhere. For instance, had Miranda found more clone "sisters" being grown by her father, then there could've been the opportunity to adopt them as her daughters. Then such thoughts would have been appropriate. But otherwise, it just fixes Miranda in a way I don't want her to be fixed. I want to be able to see Miranda as not thinking about children and having put her infertility behind her.

BTW, for the same reason I'm extremely glad Anderson's and Shepard's lines about family and children have been cut from the Citadel dialogue.

@alxboxx78:
That sounds like a good idea. Perhaps send her a copy of the fanbook when it's finished?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 mai 2012 - 07:06 .

[MisterJB]

I have a solution. How about actually giving us bloody dialogue options in the last dialogue we will have with a character that has been present from the very beginning?
That way players can decide their Shepard's mentality regarding parenthood.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 mai 2012 - 07:11 .

[wright1978]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...
http://findmiranda.c...miranda-posters

Only 4 contributors so far? Boo!

Just donated $10...I'd chip in more but I'm graduating in a few days so I spent my money on ring, yearbook, cap and gown, flying my brother in from Chicago, etc

Still need to finish my poster for this...

Finally got round to making a contribution too

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

BTW, for the same reason I'm extremely glad Anderson's and Shepard's lines about family and children have been cut from the Citadel dialogue.

Yep i'm definitely with you on not liking the Anderson-Shep children auto dialogue. Wouldn't have minded Miranda's infertility to come up in romance dioalogue tree but given the amount of auto-dialogue in ME3 it is probably for the best that i just have to head canon that discussion.

[alxboss78]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@alxboxx78:
That sounds like a good idea. Perhaps send her a copy of the fanbook when it's finished?

That's kinda what i was thinking. From the Chuck experience she seemed to really enjoy the efforts and love from the fans. Now of course Chuck was a stronger and more personal experience for her than Mass Effect, but still i believe it's worth the trouble.

[flemm]

alxboss78 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@alxboxx78:
That sounds like a good idea. Perhaps send her a copy of the fanbook when it's finished?

That's kinda what i was thinking. From the Chuck experience she seemed to really enjoy the efforts and love from the fans. Now of course Chuck was a stronger and more personal experience for her than Mass Effect, but still i believe it's worth the trouble.

We've talked about it. Basically, consensus seems to be that it would be a good idea, but that we would probably want to make some adjustments prior to sending a copy to Strahovski. An example of this would be letters, which are addressed to Bioware and haven't really been written with the actress in mind.

Once we have the complete book, I think it would be rather easy to make a new version for Strahovski, but first things first.

MisterJB wrote...

I have a solution. How about actually giving us bloody dialogue options in the last dialogue we will have with a character that has been present from the very beginning?

Yeah, agreed. Since they went to the trouble of introducing the idea in a text file in between games, the least the writers can do is provide the *option* of discussing it in the game itself. It could easily be done without having the couple commit to having children or whatever.

Modifié par flemm, 17 mai 2012 - 08:39 .

[Aliqaiser]

After going through the tribute book, I must say.....it felt quite unorganized, what flemm is working on, is very well organized, with names being mentioned with each Fan-Art uniquely, moreover with a Eye pleasing layout as well.

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 17 mai 2012 - 11:41 .

[Ieldra]

MisterJB wrote...
I have a solution. How about actually giving us bloody dialogue options in the last dialogue we will have with a character that has been present from the very beginning?
That way players can decide their Shepard's mentality regarding parenthood.

Indeed. That could work for determining how Miranda thinks as well.

Have you ever romanced Samantha? At some point, she says she wants a "white picket fence" ending with family and children and even a dog (?), and you can either reply in the affirmative, which makes her happy, or reply that's not exaclty how you envisioned your future, which also makes her happy because she says she was joking anyway. And the way she says that in the first place - in that light, almost teasing tone - is ambiguous enough that you can take it either way.

[Asakawa]

Aliqaiser wrote...

After going through the tribute book, I must say.....it felt quite unorganized, what flemm is working on, is very well organized, with names being mentioned with each Fan-Art uniquely, moreover with a Eye pleasing layout as well.

I believe they got overwhelmed by so many contributions, maybe that got in the way? But I agree that the layout could have a better setup. Still, it was nice to see everything put together, they had a lot of work. 

Modifié par Asakawa, 17 mai 2012 - 04:45 .

[jtav]

Yeah, options are good. My Samantha!Shep was all over the idea. Another may not be. My seeming hostility to the option is actually paranoia that BW will just further define my Shep away from how I see him.

I've been thinking about how unhappy I am with Miranda as a LI, and I've realized something. ME2 Miranda is an idea person. She loves her little sister, but the last thing she says about why she joined Cerberus is that she loves a challenge. "How do I do this impossible thing?" is what she lives for. And ME3 Miranda isn't ambitious. Her world has narrowed entirely to Ori and Shep. There are still flashes of ****iness, but she's no longer "the thinking man's knockout." What I get from her, I could get in more abundance from Ash. ME3 Miranda no longer caters to my desire for a cerebral, ambitious LI.

[feliciano2040]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I don't think it would've been a good idea to include discussions of parenthood in the game. Personally, I'd be totally against it, unless it was tied to some plot point somewhere. For instance, had Miranda found more clone "sisters" being grown by her father, then there could've been the opportunity to adopt them as her daughters. Then such thoughts would have been appropriate. But otherwise, it just fixes Miranda in a way I don't want her to be fixed. I want to be able to see Miranda as not thinking about children and having put her infertility behind her.

I don't know, at least a conversation on not caring about her infertility would've been ok, I just think it's an issue that the most loyal fans of her character wanted it to be approached.