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[Lawrence0294]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

I like her emotional side and I like her operative side, no nonsense side as well. She rarely shows emotions and when she does... to me she is human. I tend to think that Miranda is only emotional around people she trusts. Other people, she is tough and well, ****y if you want to use that term. I love all of her... I love her intelligence.

Agreed!  I just wish we had more even approach to her dialog. Say for example: make her sister a concern for her starting with the second meetup instead of the first.  In the first meetup have her talk about her reaction to Cerberus actions now.  Add in a line about her resigning on the spot if you brought her to the last part of the SM

exactly this

[Ieldra]

yesikareyes wrote...
http://findmiranda.c...miranda-posters

My daily reminder that we're still $105 short of the goal. Come on, everyone who hasn't chipped in yet. Shepard needs to #FindMiranda.

And those who haven't contributed yet need to find the page linked in the quote...

(Trying to catch up with everything later)

[wright1978]

I like her emotional side too. I just wish her professional side wasn't solely limited to a shadowbroker e-mail i can't even talk to her about.

[Asakawa]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Asakawa wrote...

but it was cool to see a beserked Rogue on the Xtreme saga, and that leather jacket of hers was the love of my life for many years. Oh god how I miss the 90's Rogue...  

Hahaaa, Polaris XD I liked that! Good idea, a 'MassEffected' Marvel squad!  Who'd be who? 

Miranda's the Black Widow, just based off of skillset and appearance.

Jacob's Hawkeye, a good chunk of his backstory is related to another character (Black Widow for Hawkeye, Miranda for Jacob) and he's pretty much the "normal guy" of the team.

Grunt's The Thing. He's big, boisterous, and likes to smash things but he's in control of it unlike the Hulk.

Garrus is our resident gunman with a sense of humor, I'd peg him for Deadpool before he went completely insane.

Morinth's Rogue, she was born with an ability that tends to kill the people she gets close to.

That's really nice, Doc! Thanks! 
I like the Jacob/Miranda -> Hawkeye/Natasha thing. 

[MisterJB]

feliciano2040 wrote...
Still, I can see where your concerns are coming from, I think they're understandable, but the writers approached Cerberus in a different manner for ME3 (No, it was not "character assasination") in a way that had very little to do with Miranda's character.

The fact that Cerberus has changed so much after the Reaper's arrival is all the more reason why Miranda should have been heavily involved in this plot.
She worked for Cerberus for 20 years. She believed TIM was an excellent advocate for humanity and now he is sacrificing humanity to obtain power. She defended controling Husks and other creatures as a way to save human lives and now Cerberus is turning innocent humans into Husks. She labeled Pragia as a rogue cell but now Cerberus is, literally, dragging young biotics kicking and screaming to torture camps. She felt having a means to control Shepard was the safest thing to do and now her father is killing people in the name of controlling the Reapers.

Miranda should have been as involved in a proper Cerberus arc as Mordin and Wrex are in the Genophage arc.
Instead, there is no Cerberus arc. There is a bunch of throw away missions where Cerberus just happens to be something we shoot at.

[jtav]

What MisterJB said. She worked for these people, defended and believed in them. If TIM had had an accident between games, she would have been TIW. To remain at all sympathetic, she needs to be reflective about that. Jacob is. Jacob! The guy who has a habit in ME2 of referring to Cerberus as "they" instead of "we." Ideally, Miranda should want TIM's head on a platter. But no, it's Ori that drives her instead of that betrayal of trust. I'd say I wished the Reapers had killed Ori, but she's quite likeable if Miranda is dead.

[MisterJB]

Wouldn't it have been awesome if Mordin had spent all of ME3 worried about his nephew?

As far as Oriana goes, I would have just done something like this.
During the first conversation, Shepards asks if Oriana was touched by the war. Miranda says she was in danger and not because of the war. Cerberus had tried to kidnap her but Miranda stopped them.  This serves as her first hint her father is involved with Cerberus now.
From there, her motivation can then be focused on stopping both of them rather than the damage she caused Cerberus feeling like a side effect like it does now. Shepard could have just met Oriana on the Citadel and actually had a chat with her.

And if Oriana must absolutely be on Sanctuary because Miranda might be dead, then at least give us some proper choice and consequences.
I still would have loved if Oriana could either die or be turned into a Boss fight depending on the Alliance Resources and the choice at the end of Miranda's LM.

[flemm]

Babi_Siha wrote...

I like both her sides. In fact I loved in ME2 how she started showing some emotion as the game progressed. What I hate is that in ME3 she's a purely emotional character, all her other traits were gone.

I wouldn't say they are gone, but they are insufficiently developed. Overall it's mostly a question of balance. Still a big issue, though. That said, it's not really a hard one to solve, conceptually. Being on the squad from Sanctuary to Cronos would certainly have done it. But the content of the email outlines another path that would also work.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mai 2012 - 03:10 .

[flemm]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Well, you two convinced me. :happy: I'll try to write the essay. Flemm, if I finish it can I PM to you again before posting on the group?

Yep

[flemm]

wright1978 wrote...

I like her emotional side too. I just wish her professional side wasn't solely limited to a shadowbroker e-mail i can't even talk to her about.

Yeah, for all the "disagreement" on the emotional/pragmatic issue, it's mostly a question of degree or emphasis. Basically nobody wants to eliminate either aspect, or anything close to that. It tends to be more a question of what the balance is, exactly.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mai 2012 - 03:18 .

[jtav]

Yeah. I want more kissing/touching/intimacy in the context of romance. I don't want her colder there. I just...I want her to want things, to have passions beyond family. I want to know that she and my Sheps will still be talking each other's ears off for years to come.

[Vertigo_1]

11 days left for submissions for the Miranda FanBook!

Group: social.bioware.com/group/7217/&v=discussions#group

The book will incude letter, art and fiction. Submissions can be sent to mirandafanbook@gmail.com or to myself or flemm via PM.

----------------------------

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http://findmiranda.c...miranda-posters

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 19 mai 2012 - 03:35 .

[yesikareyes]

Good Morning guys!

I played around with some fan art plus screenshots:

[enayasoul]

yesikareyes wrote...

Good Morning guys!

I played around with some fan art plus screenshots:

ooooooh these are simply lovely.  I love the first and third the most. <_<  bad ass Miranda.

[flemm]

enayasoul wrote...

ooooooh these are simply lovely.  I love the first and third the most. <_<  bad ass Miranda.

Agreed, beautiful, thanks for posting, yesika 

Modifié par flemm, 19 mai 2012 - 04:32 .

[yesikareyes]

Thanks guys! I'll play with some more images.

[enayasoul]

jtav wrote...

Yeah. I want more kissing/touching/intimacy in the context of romance. I don't want her colder there. I just...I want her to want things, to have passions beyond family. I want to know that she and my Sheps will still be talking each other's ears off for years to come.

Yes, all of this!:happy:

[feliciano2040]

MisterJB wrote...

The fact that Cerberus has changed so much after the Reaper's arrival is all the more reason why Miranda should have been heavily involved in this plot.

 

Maybe, but if you're including her, while neglecting say, Thane or Jack, then you got a problem on your hands, it sends the message that a portion of the fans is not being considered at all.

We also have to think about if we, Miri fans, are even a large fanbase at all, I don't know about you, but that thing about Jacob dumping you was done because NOBODY was going to get angry at that decision, I like Jacob, but even I can acknowledge practically NO ONE supported him.

For my part, I would be satisfied with a Miranda-focused DLC, I think that would even things out quite nicely, if done, then all concerns about the Miranda-Cerberus relationship could be properly adressed, we could have a nice throwback to her cold, no-nonsense side we all loved in ME3.

MisterJB wrote... 

She worked for Cerberus for 20 years. She believed TIM was an excellent advocate for humanity and now he is sacrificing humanity to obtain power. She defended controling Husks and other creatures as a way to save human lives and now Cerberus is turning innocent humans into Husks. She labeled Pragia as a rogue cell but now Cerberus is, literally, dragging young biotics kicking and screaming to torture camps. She felt having a means to control Shepard was the safest thing to do and now her father is killing people in the name of controlling the Reapers.


Miranda should have been as involved in a proper Cerberus arc as Mordin and Wrex are in the Genophage arc.
Instead, there is no Cerberus arc. There is a bunch of throw away missions where Cerberus just happens to be something we shoot at.

I disagree.........a little........while Cerberus does indeed fill a specific role gameplay role, it is through them and The Illusive Man by which (in brandishingly awesome Hegelian-philosophy fashion) the thematic anti-thesis of the game is presented.

Thesis: Destroy The Reapers.
Anti-thesis: Control The Reapers. 
Synthesis: Unite organics and synthetics.

They aren't just cannon-fodder, they serve as the metaphor for an enormously important aspect of Mass Effect 3's story.

For my part, It would've been good to have a larger Cerberus arc, but there's only so much you can put in a game, and this game was long enough, around 40+ hours (don't just go by the save-screen counter).

MAYBE a solution would've been to cut Gellix entirely and mix that mission with Cerberus Headquarters, effectively making a larger "Cerberus Arc" which would've included both Jacob and Miranda. I'm not sure I would've cut Horizon, if possible, I would've preserved it as it is.

[flemm]

feliciano2040 wrote...
Maybe, but if you're including her, while neglecting say, Thane or Jack, then you got a problem on your hands, it sends the message that a portion of the fans is not being considered at all.

There's no particular reason for Thane to be involved in the Cerberus plot. Jack, definitely, and this part of the game could have been a lot stronger if both Miranda and Jack were involved in a more integral way.

feliciano2040 wrote...
For my part, I would be satisfied with a Miranda-focused DLC, I think that would even things out quite nicely, if done, then all concerns about the Miranda-Cerberus relationship could be properly adressed, we could have a nice throwback to her cold, no-nonsense side we all loved in ME3.

Sure, a lot of us would like to see that.

feliciano2040 wrote...
I'm not sure I would've cut Horizon, if possible, I would've preserved it as it is.

As a concept, it's good. I think, given all the stuff that's going on there, the level design is fairly underwhelming. But it could certainly be retained in a hypothetical improved Cerberus arc, I would agree.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mai 2012 - 05:51 .

[jtav]

I suggested once upon a time that Sanctuary, Grissom, Gellix, and Cronos should be tied together in the Cerberus plot. Sanctuary is the kickoff mission, and you must do one of Gellix or Grissom to find Cronos. Miranda (or Brynn) and the Cerberus scientists want a new Cerberus that doesn't go crazy. Jack (or Kahlee) and the kids want Cerberus gone because they remember Pragia/Gillian. You must choose your faction. The other walks. Unless you have Jack and Miranda alive and loyal, and then you can convince them the Reapers are more important.

[MisterJB]

feliciano2040 wrote...
Maybe, but if you're including her, while neglecting say, Thane or Jack, then you got a problem on your hands, it sends the message that a portion of the fans is not being considered at all.

Anyone who preferred ME2 was already barely considered at all.
Regardless, Thane has no business on the Cerberus arc. He should be working with Shepard to stop the indocrinated hanar and save Khaje, not throwing himself at Kai Leng for nothing besides the "Assassin vs Assassin" dynamic.

For my part, I would be satisfied with a Miranda-focused DLC, I think that would even things out quite nicely, if done, then all concerns about the Miranda-Cerberus relationship could be properly adressed, we could have a nice throwback to her cold, no-nonsense side we all loved in ME3.

It could but this is the type of content that should have been present in the game in the first place.

MisterJB wrote... 
I disagree.........a little........while Cerberus does indeed fill a specific role gameplay role, it is through them and The Illusive Man by which (in brandishingly awesome Hegelian-philosophy fashion) the thematic anti-thesis of the game is presented.

Thesis: Destroy The Reapers.
Anti-thesis: Control The Reapers. 
Synthesis: Unite organics and synthetics.

They aren't just cannon-fodder, they serve as the metaphor for an enormously important aspect of Mass Effect 3's story.

For my part, It would've been good to have a larger Cerberus arc, but there's only so much you can put in a game, and this game was long enough, around 40+ hours (don't just go by the save-screen counter).

MAYBE a solution would've been to cut Gellix entirely and mix that mission with Cerberus Headquarters, effectively making a larger "Cerberus Arc" which would've included both Jacob and Miranda. I'm not sure I would've cut Horizon, if possible, I would've preserved it as it is.

The thing is, I don't think you need to remove anything. The missions are already there; Grissom Academy, Cerberus Coup, Gellix, Horizon, Cronos; we just need something else other than the type of enemy uniting them.
Let Miranda and Jack come aboard the Normandy early on. They can serve as Legion and Tali and present differing point of views about Cerberus; Miranda the wonders human ingenuity unbounded by rules and constrinctions can accomplish, Jack the horrors humans who don't account to anyone or anything can create and justify.
Then just give us a meaningfull choice at the end of Cronos; should Cerberus be destroyed?; and presto. Quality.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Then just give us a meaningfull choice at the end of Cronos; should Cerberus be destroyed?; and presto. Quality.

Agreed. In the end, what should have been the most interesting part of the game ends up being significantly less interesting than, say, the genophage arc, because the story is not treated with any depth or complexity.

What's there has a certain weight simply by existing, but it would have been extremely feasible, within the basic constraints of what's already in the game, to improve this story arc by a lot.

Post-Sanctuary may have been originally intended to have more in terms of layers and choices, but the game was in crunch time by then. In early story drafts, Jacob and Miranda's missions both lead to Cronos and were apparently supposed to combine in some way, if you did both (I guess via research obtained in each mission). What we have is probably a somewhat simplified/rushed version of what they originally had in mind.

Modifié par flemm, 19 mai 2012 - 06:17 .

[MisterJB]

You know, I wish Steve had some sympathy to offer Shepard if Miranda died. He can relate.

[o Ventus]

yesikareyes wrote...

Good Morning guys!

I played around with some fan art plus screenshots:

Awesome! I like the one on the far left the most.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I wonder what allows Miri to walk normally in Low Gravity and Zero Gravity Environments? It may be something in her boots. I have NO doubts that the Technology in Mass Effect is even more Advance than the Technology in the 24th Century Star Trek, and possibly 25th Century. There may be chips or small Mass Effect Fields in her Boots which allow her to walk and run normally in Low Gravity and Zero Gravity Environments, as if she were working in a standard 1.0 Gravity Environment, like the Normandy (Maybe), Earth, or the Wards on the Citadel.

Miri's Breathing Mask or "Catsuit" possibly help her survive in a Vacuumed, Sub Zero, or Intensely Hot Areas. Maybe a Mass Effect Field since she is a Biotic? I can see why Shepard has the Armor and Helmet in Harsh Environments, because his Default Attributes are that of a Soldier, so no Biotic Fields. But if Miri can Protect herself with Biotic Fields, why does she, Jack, Samara, and Liara need Breathing Masks?

Anyone care to help?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 19 mai 2012 - 07:30 .