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[Asakawa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

What am I reading? MEFan101 is romancing someone else? The end is nigh

HAHAHAHA!!!


REPENT! 

[yesikareyes]

We should have a good bye party for him when he moves to the Liara thread completely! lol 

Modifié par yesikareyes, 22 mai 2012 - 01:21 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Can you stop joking about this? Because I don't even feel right about it anymore. :'(
Am I Mirimancer anymore?

My main Mass Effect Story is Complete, and now I plan to make an alternative Mass Effect Story for fun with Liara as the LI. I feel like I giving into BioWare wants. I mean, isn't this what BioWare wanted, for ALL players. I still feel like a sell out.

The Story I have now is my Personal, Number 1, King, and Main Mass Effect Story, with Luis Shepard, and Miranda Lawson as LI. That is my "Real" Mass Effect Playthrough: With Shepard Named after Me, and Miranda as LI. Miranda will Always be My "Real," Personal, and Number One LI. And it is now done, I still have to do NG+ thougth.

I what to make "Alternative Realities" for fun, like First will be Male Shepard with Liara.

Then Professional FemShep (No Romancing). But, at the same time I don't want to lose anything with Miri.

Miri is my Number One Mass Effect Woman, no matter how many people I Romance with different Characters in Mass Effect. My Luis Shepard Story with Miri as the Love Interest ONLY will ALWAYS be the "REAL" Mass Effect Story for Me. The other Stories will be made out of fun and curiosity. These other Playthroughs are NOT going to top My Luis Shepard File, because THAT Story is the "Real" and Canon Story.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 mai 2012 - 02:10 .

[Asakawa]

Luis, again, relax!

The point in playing a game is to have fun, right? So, have fun!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

jtav wrote...

I'm also fond of the idea of an elderly or terminally ill Miranda finding a way to join Shepard as the Catalyst. Just the right note of bittersweet.

Sounds like Titanic. Maybe someone should make a fanfic for you about an elderly Miri telling people about Shepard and how she met him, fell in love with him and lost him (in your case) and in the end she finds her way to join Shepard.

[Skullheart]

A bicentennial Miranda getting lost in unexplored regions of the Citadel. She has a longevity of225 years after all.

Modifié par Skullheart, 22 mai 2012 - 02:36 .

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I'm guessing this has probably been addressed before, but how did you guys deal with the fact Miranda's real surname is actually Lawson? Miranda keeping her surname despite all the people she has to hide from was so mindblowing to me that I still can't find a way to explain it away. 

We have had some fierce arguing over this. Most of us consider it to be an idiocy.
Personally, I find it insulting. It's as if Bioware tought its fanbase was not intelligent enough to understand the concept pseudonym and why someone in Miranda's line of work would need one.

Find me in the camp of those who think it insulting as well. Players are morons after all....

The thing is, Kelly Chambers can change her name and appearance to fool Cerberus if Shepard advises her to do so.
So, what are we supposed to take from this? That our fanbase is the only one composed of morons?

[hot_heart]

Thing is, if Henry had a different surname, it wouldn't be too hard to explain the relation. I mean, you have that video log that you have to watch at Sancturay where Shepard pretty much spells out what is happening. And then you can pick up the rest of the details yourself.

Even if the player skips all the audio stuff, there's a friggin' confrontation with Miranda and/or Oriana right in the middle.

It's 'safe' writing that feels it needs to hold the player's hand rather than leave any mystery or intrigue.

[jtav]

Yeah, it would have made so much more sense for Miranda to be an Eldfell or similar.

[Td1984]

Luis, I have two suggestions for your Liaramance run.

(1) Play as a FShep. Miranda supposedly* doesn't go for women, so this way you can romance Liara and still talk to Miranda all you want during ME2 (as long as Miranda feels like talking).

(2) If you don't want to take the FShep route, just avoid talking to Miranda in-between missions during ME2 (except to get Miranda's LM) so you don't cave and switch to Miranda. That's how I managed to keep Daniel loyal to Ashley.

*- I said "supposedly" because while you can't actually romance Miranda with a FShep, the final vidcomm conversation on Earth between her and FShep leaves quite a bit of room to headcanon them being together in the event you don't like the romance with Liara.

[Skullheart]

The Eldfell are the richest human family in the glaxy, they even have their own version of paris hilton.

Who the hell are the Lawson?

[jtav]

I think Miranda might at one time have been intended to be an Eldfell or Ashland. The need to make the storyline accessible to new players hurt, I think.

[hot_heart]

Td1984 wrote...
Luis, I have two suggestions for your Liaramance run.

Third suggestion is carry on as normal with ME2, don't break up in ME3 but cheat on her anyway (you pretty much already are, Luis, you should be ashamed I can't believe you damn you man what are you thinking I'll never forget this). And Miranda won't die that way, provided all other requirements for survival are met.

Modifié par hot_heart, 22 mai 2012 - 05:15 .

[Skullheart]

He can still flirt with Miranda, as long as he doesn't lock the romance. Or play as femshep.

[jtav]

And if you don't mind my saying so, your interaction is still as flirty as hell even on the friendship path. Why do you think I'm suddenly talking about FShep/Miranda?

[Skullheart]

wasn't femShep/Miranda one of the thing you most wanted since ME2?

I remember some discussion about the possibility of Miranda being bi. Of course, lot of supporters an detractors.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I'm guessing this has probably been addressed before, but how did you guys deal with the fact Miranda's real surname is actually Lawson? Miranda keeping her surname despite all the people she has to hide from was so mindblowing to me that I still can't find a way to explain it away. 

We have had some fierce arguing over this. Most of us consider it to be an idiocy.
Personally, I find it insulting. It's as if Bioware tought its fanbase was not intelligent enough to understand the concept pseudonym and why someone in Miranda's line of work would need one.

Find me in the camp of those who think it insulting as well. Players are morons after all....

The thing is, Kelly Chambers can change her name and appearance to fool Cerberus if Shepard advises her to do so.
So, what are we supposed to take from this? That our fanbase is the only one composed of morons?

Great this **** again.

I can but restate that Miranda had no reason to hide from her father who knew full well where she was (and couldn't do **** about it) and that any time she needed to go undercover for Cerberus, she obviously used a different codename. There is no inconsistency here and Bioware has plenty of other ways to imply that viewers are morons. This is not one of them.

Also MEfan considering other romances? End is nigh indeed. 2012 and all that. Now all we need is Ieldra liking the CB dialog and jtav switching to a cheery outlook.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...
It's 'safe' writing that feels it needs to hold the player's hand rather than leave any mystery or intrigue.

So true. I know that not everybody necessarily engages with this stuff from the same perspective I do, so it's different for everybody, but to me the biggest condemnation of the writing for Miranda in ME3 is that I can't stand thinking about it.

On the surface, there are some good lines and positive things. But when I engage with it mentally, which is what I want to be able to do, it just doesn't contain anything of value. It's the ultimate sign of bad/weak writing (sorry, Jay W., but it's true).

Miranda in ME2 is almost the opposite, really. Superficially, there's the tight clothes and the ass and everything. But the more you engage with the writing and the character, the more intricate/rewarding it is.

[CrutchCricket]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

EVERYONE ATTENTION! Can you PLEASE delay that Miranda Fanbook Deadline to a June Date?

My Best Friend, who is a User here and A Miri Fan, called ThePinkFoxx is creating a Miri Cosplay Costume for a Convention. She is Cosplaying as Miri. It is now a work in progress. She REALLY wants to submit photos to the fanbook.

It's already been taken care of

Wait. So it is pushed back? Or are you keeping the original deadline? Let's get a clear statement on this please.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Wait. So it is pushed back? Or are you keeping the original deadline? Let's get a clear statement on this please.

We are keeping the deadline for submissions of letters, fic and art.

For a couple of special projects, such as the comic and the cosplay, we can be a little more flexible (due to the scale of the projects and the fact that we are in direct contact with the creators).

It's going to take some time to put the book together after the deadline is past, it can't be assembled, formated and printed overnight.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mai 2012 - 05:43 .

[jtav]

There's no "there" there with ME3 Miranda. Nothing to think about or worldview to engage. I suppose I should count myself fortunate that her playfulness, subtle arrogance and competence are intact, but it's hollow without the idealism.

Did they not know what we liked until the leak?

[CrutchCricket]

Cool, thanks flemm.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
Did they not know what we liked until the leak?

Well, it's... complicated.

I'm not sure that, as fans, we would really have formulated what needs to be there as clearly prior to seeing ME3 than we are able to do now. Yes, Miranda having a purpose, idealism, higher goals of some kind, would have appeared on any wish list, but alongside a bunch of other things.

I also think that fans tended to get caught up in the whole debate about whether Miranda should be more renegade or paragon, ruthless or emotional, etc., etc.

If anything, I think ME3 has revealed that whole debate to be somewhat beside the point. The reality is Miranda can and should be a mixture of those things, but first and foremost she needs to be intellectually engaging and motivated by a sense of idealism.

Emotional, sexy, an effective operative, pragmatic, smart, etc.... all of that is great, but I think that the glue that really makes Miranda Miranda is that sense of higher purpose.

But perhaps it's easier to see that now.

Modifié par flemm, 22 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[Td1984]

jtav wrote...

And if you don't mind my saying so, your interaction is still as flirty as hell even on the friendship path. Why do you think I'm suddenly talking about FShep/Miranda?

Which is exactly why on the off-chance I wasn't impressed with the romance with Sam, I was going to keep Sarah un-romanced on future playthroughs. FShep and Miranda flirt quite a bit. 

[jtav]

I know this is arrogant, but I can't help but think we could have gotten what we wanted if we could have articulated it better. Why did I spend so much time fighting over the base?