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[Jiso]

If Miranda came back think how awesome her loyalty mission could be. Something like the illusive man sends Cerberus operatives after Miranda's sister, and its up to you to save her and move her to safety.
Yes please, bring Miranda back as a squadmate

[Jebel Krong]

ParadoxAu wrote...
One thing I'm curious about, Is why do you allow Miranda to shoot Niket? I find this decision in particular to be difficult in all of my playthroughs considering the outcome if you don't.

i always let her shoot niket: 1. it brings closure. 2. the guy betrayed her and it certainly fits that she'd do that, even to a one-time friend and c. shep looks like a stupid weakling pleading with her not to do it anyway - which is totally out of character for him, too.

[Skullheart]

I was thinking how would be a possible Shepard/Miri reunion with Ash in the party...

btw, I don't speak english. So there could be a lot of grammatical and spelling errors. Bsides that I'mnot used to write any knd of fanfic or wathever. So don't kill if it sucks.

What a hell? was the thought that crossed Shepard's mind. A few second ago his squad was pinned down by elite Cerberus troopers. Almost out of medigel and taking a massive enemy fire from an upper position. Garrus was wounded and Ashley was running out of ammo. It would be difficult but not impossible to get out of this mess. Then he watched how two Cerberus troopers were taken down by some 'friendly fire'.

One female elite appeared in the left flank, shooting her own allies. Before her first victims touch the ground she took down another troop with a clean shot right in the head, and incapacitating another one using biotics. With the enemy trapped in the confusion Shepard took all the advantage he could get.

"Ash, concentrate fire in the right flank now!"  Ash started some aggressive fire against the confused troops who a moments ago where unstoppable.

None of the remaining soldiers were able to stand against Shepard's squad and the 'friendly fire'. After all the enemies were taken down the elite trooper start walking toward Shepard. Ash was aiming at her with a very threatening glance.

No, It couldn´t... Could she really... The thoughts of the commander were stopped by the words from his mysterious ally.

"Aren't you getting a little rusty, commander?" The trooper said. A little smile could be seen in Shepard’s face, unrecognizable for those who didn't know him better. "It's hard to believe that you could be overcome by those soldiers. I didn’t work on you for over two year to allow that." She took off her helmet, releasing her long raven hair and letting the commander to admire her blue ocean eyes "I don't like to quote myself, but I already told you: I do a damn good work.”

“You certainly do... Miri” The smile on Shepard was recognizable for anyone now, even and elcor could ‘smell it’. His eyes were meeting hers. His heartbeat started to accelerate. He didn’t know if it was the recent combat causing it or the fact that he haven´t see her in weeks. The only thing he wanted was embrace the woman right in front of him.

“John...” She started to get closer to the commander, timid tears where peeping from her eyes. “You don’t know how-“A shot stopped their reunion. Ash never stopped aiming her rifle to Miranda. Her shot was a few centimeters from hitting her.

“Stay away from the commander.” The new spectre said. The shot was a warning. She was a marine and she never missed, at least not from that distance. The next one wouldn’t be like the first. “Disarm yourself and get to the ground. I won’t repeat myself.”

“Ash, put your weapon down.” Shepard said to her companion “I know she is wearing a Cerberus armor but I can explain-”.

“Can you Skipper?” The tone on her voice wasn’t very friendly. “I remember her. She was the Cerberus agent who was with you on Horizon.” She remembered the events on that human colony in the Terminus. Cerberus was the responsible for the attack. “She was with Cerberus that time and I doubt that it hasn’t change”.

Shepard moved and now was standing between Ashley and Miranda. “Ash, there’s a lot that I haven’t told you.” Shepard was trying to reason with Ashley. “We can all talk calmly back in the Normandy but now we don’t have time to spare”.

“Shepard,you know I’ll follow you, but she is Cerberus. She can’t be trusted.”

“Are you sure Ash?” the wounded Turian in the ground responded. “By the way, don’t you all have something better to do rather than discussing?” Garrus was looking at the three humans in front of him. He was bleeding, it wasn´t serious but they have to treat his wound “Shouldn’t you give some medigel to the poor turian, the poor bleeding turian.”

Miranda picked something from one of her pockets and handed to Garrus “There you have Garrus”.

“Thanks Lawson.”

“If you need more we can get some from the medical room.”

“Don’t worry. I’ll be ok with this.”

“Am I missing something?” Ashley interrupted the pair. She putted the gun down a few seconds ago, but it didn’t mean that she trusted Miranda. “Aren’t you two a little friendly with her?” She stopped a moment and then she looked at Shepard. “Specially you, Skipper.”

“I’ll tell you back in the Normandy, now we have to move.”

“Okay, I’ll keep with this.” Ashley said in calm tone. She crossed her arms and then glanced at Miranda. ”But you better have a good explanation.”

“Thanks Ash.” Shepard was grateful that this situation was resolved without more shots. He has to thanks Garrus for his opportune interruption. He looked at Miranda “You got it?”

“Yes.” She handed a disk to Shepard. “Big part of it is encrypted. We’ll need EDI to get the info.” Shepard took the disk and keep it safe in one of his pockets. ”I have prepared a shuttle in hangar six to escape. It isn’t too far.” She opened her omni-tool to show the commander the route, he watched and nodded.

“Ok. We have to move.”

Modifié par Skullheart, 20 juillet 2011 - 09:47 .

[Axestone]

I was thinking how would be a possible Shepard/Miri reunion with Ash in the party...

I expect a similar scene in the game

btw, I don't speak english. So there could be a lot of grammatical and spelling errors.

Well, I liked it. It is easy to translate

[Ieldra]

@jtav:

Here some feedback for the scene you posted on page 204:

I like how you show Miranda's passion for her work. There are some things that...hmm....I think need improvement.

(1) The description of her passion remains too vague. Thane's metaphors are OK but they should be grounded in something he can actually perceive, and he can't see "energy coursing through her body". You might get away with the "darkening of her eyes" because that's a much-used figure of speech, but even then I would say that this doesn't actually happen - it's rather that the furrowing of her brows might cast shadows on her eyes. Or that her eyes appear to widen as she raises her eyebrows in surprise.
So what is it that transforms her face? What exactly makes Thane come to those metaphors. What does he see? Does Miranda start pacing, suddenly appearing energized like a spring under tension? Does she walk to a window and stare out into space, or does she appear to stare into nothing, apparently focusing inward on the world of biochemistry as she recites what she will need for her work? Does she make eye contact with him and he feels suddenly scrutinized at cell level?

(2) About the science: this would have to be a two-step process: curing those already afflicted, and reducing/removing susceptibility in future generations. What you describe can achieve the former but not the latter. For the latter, genetic engineering of gametes is needed to ensure that future generations will develop the new lung tissue without additional intervention. It's a project on a similar scale as the genophage - in time, every drell would have to be "infected" - with the significant advantage that she would have the co-operation of most drell.

(3) The hint at possible ethical problems is too vague and misleading. First, if Miranda brings this up, then she already knows which kind of problems she'll likely run into. In the light of what I said above, the second stage is likely to create some nonviable embryos, for instance. You cannot completely eliminate that risk. Invasive procedures on unborn drell are also very likely. You can minimize such things if you're good, but not avoid them completely. What Miranda says should express that ethically problematic procedures cannot be avoided for this project, that the hanar weren't willing to accept that and that was the reason for their failure, and that she'll do what is necessary. The way it reads now appears like she'd take shortcuts that aren't needed.

BTW:
You can take the length of this feedback as indicator of the level of interest I have in this story.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juillet 2011 - 09:56 .

[srjepsen]

STJebus wrote...

I think im the only person here who wants deeper Miranda story and connections but likes her ass shots... :S

You're not the only one.

[Ieldra]

ParadoxAu wrote...
One thing I'm curious about, Is why do you allow Miranda to shoot Niket? I find this decision in particular to be difficult in all of my playthroughs considering the outcome if you don't.

If you allow me to answer:

(1) It is her choice to make.
(2) Shepard grabbing her gun arm while they're facing armed mercenaries is stupid.
(3) His action reminds me too much of this trope.
(4) Shepard's reasoning for why Niket should be spared is *stupid* to the power of ten. He expects Miranda to trust the person who has just betrayed her? Really, Shepard?

I've used the interrupt in one or two of my early games, but the more I get into this scene the less I like it. This Paragon interrrupt is a prime example of Paragon naiveté and self-righteousness. Out of respect for Miranda and for Shepard, I avoid it. I don't tell her to kill him, but I also never prevent it.

@Skullheart:
Nice scene. It might need a little polishing, but I can certainly see the re-encounter going that way.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juillet 2011 - 10:22 .

[DeckardWasAReplicant]

i know this is off topic and you have probably went over this before, but its something that i think about and cant answer. how do you think miranda would react if she found out you killed samara and lied to her that an ardat-yakshi was in her place?

[Dark_Jak337]

I might just be stupid, but out of curiosity, why do a paragon Shepherd and Miranda have to hate each other? I realize that Miranda's default attitude is renegade to the point of being painful, but people can change. In a way that is all Miranda has ever been taught: do the job at any cost. I just don't see why a paragon Shepherd wouldn't be able to change her perspective. I play a paragon in just about every playthrough, and yes, some of the interrupts are a little awkward. I blame that more on badly scripted execution than lack of story logic though. If anything, a Shepherd who exemplifies what humanity stands for should be more attractive to Miranda anyway. That is just my perspective. Thoughts?

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
. This Paragon interrrupt is a prime example of Paragon naiveté and self-righteousness.

Naive? Perhaps. They would have to relocate Oriana again if Niket survived, depending on just how much he knows and the details of the relocation.
But self-rigtheous? Shepard never once says that it is wrong to kill Niket. He says that Miranda doesn't want to which is true and can be easily inferred from the way she talked about him before, they history together, what she says plus her face rigth before shooting him.

DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...
 how do you think miranda would react if she found out you killed samara and lied to her that an ardat-yakshi was in her place?

Miranda would be angry.
1-Trust is very important to Miranda . She is willing to sacrifrice people for the sake of the mission but she never betrayed anyone and was in denial when all evidence pointed towards The Illusive Man betraying the team. She would not approve of Shepard betraying Samara.
2- If word ever got out that Cerberus killed a Justicar to protect an Ardat-Yakshi...well, you can guess.
3-Shepard lied to Miranda. Miranda was honest to him about wanting to put a control chip in his brain but he lies to her?
4- Morinth is a liability. She's a sociopath, she can put the mission in jeopardy.
All in all, I think Miranda would be very angry.

Modifié par MisterJB, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:24 .

[Melra]

Dark_Jak337 wrote...

I might just be stupid, but out of curiosity, why do a paragon Shepherd and Miranda have to hate each other? I realize that Miranda's default attitude is renegade to the point of being painful, but people can change. In a way that is all Miranda has ever been taught: do the job at any cost. I just don't see why a paragon Shepherd wouldn't be able to change her perspective. I play a paragon in just about every playthrough, and yes, some of the interrupts are a little awkward. I blame that more on badly scripted execution than lack of story logic though. If anything, a Shepherd who exemplifies what humanity stands for should be more attractive to Miranda anyway. That is just my perspective. Thoughts?

Miranda is not silly damsel, who's head should be turned over night. She does change a bit on my playthrough, but she's still Miranda. She does what needs to be done, if no other option is given. Paragon Shepard, would get himself killed before using her methods. So of course, they're going to clash.  She'd have to change way too much to fit Paragon Shepard. Paragade would work, I think Miri on my playthrough is currently Paragade with emphasis on the ade.

Even those two might clash now and then, but yeah. Your knight in shining armour types just won't cut it in that relationship. 

[Ieldra]

DeckardWasAReplicant wrote...
i know this is off topic and you have probably went over this before, but its something that i think about and cant answer. how do you think miranda would react if she found out you killed samara and lied to her that an ardat-yakshi was in her place?

Wrong on both counts. This is *not* off-topic since it relates to what Miranda might thing, and no, I don't think we've discussed this before.

My own answer? I think that MIranda would see it as Shepard endangering the mission. She wouldn't like that one bit. If she knows what Ardat-Yakshi are, she will want to have Morinth killed or at least removed because she's a danger to everyone on the SR2.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:42 .

[Ieldra]

Dark_Jak337 wrote...
I might just be stupid, but out of curiosity, why do a paragon Shepherd and Miranda have to hate each other? I realize that Miranda's default attitude is renegade to the point of being painful, but people can change. In a way that is all Miranda has ever been taught: do the job at any cost. I just don't see why a paragon Shepherd wouldn't be able to change her perspective. I play a paragon in just about every playthrough, and yes, some of the interrupts are a little awkward. I blame that more on badly scripted execution than lack of story logic though. If anything, a Shepherd who exemplifies what humanity stands for should be more attractive to Miranda anyway. That is just my perspective. Thoughts?

I see Miranda as Renegon, and yes, it's possible that she changes somewhat in ME2, though actually I doubt that. It's not her attitude to things in general that changes, she just realizes Cerberus might not embody her cause as much as she thought before.

As for Paragon Shepard, it's not so much that she'd hate him as that she wouldn't respect him. And no respect = no romance for Miranda. Paragon Shepard is one who trusts people too easily and refuses to do what's necessary even if it's plain that the other option would invoke incalculable risks. Also, no, Paragon Shepard is not "what humanity stands for". Paragon Shepard stands for what wishful thinking makes humanity appear as in some humans' eyes. Miranda would say humanity shouldn't stand for ignorance, shouldn't stand for refusing to acknowledge that in reality, doing "the right thing" doesn't always work out for the best. 

Also, Miranda is an operative, used to think in terms of tactics and expedience. Paragon Shepard may convince her that some of his actions are expedient in a roundabout way, but some irreconcilable differences remain. Paragon Shepard is one who always puts morality before expediency as a matter of principle, and expects that fate will twist the universe so that his decision turns out right. It's that attitude rather than any single decision that would prevent Miranda from respecting him.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:42 .

[MsSihaKatieKrios]

Ieldra2 wrote...
(3) His action reminds me too much of this trope.

I thought the 'standard female grab area' was the rear and back 'assets' of a woman?

Anyways, I didn't really like the wrist grab at all. It made ZERO sense given that there's at LEAST a DOZEN mercs with guns pointed at them. But the 'stand by and do nothing like a dumba*s' option was worse. I'd have vastly preferred it if the paragon interrupt went like this:

Shepard: *lays a hand on Miranda's shoulder* Miranda, you don't need to do this. You really don't.

Miranda: Shepard, he sold me out! He's a loose end! He'll compromise my sister's safety! This needs to end now.

Shepard: Do you seriously think we'll let them get away with Oriana? If he walks away now, he won't know where your sister is. Oriana will be relocated, and he'll be none the wiser about her location.

Miranda: But...he sold me out. He betrayed me.

Shepard: That's right. It's your choice really. But my advice would be not to kill him. Let him live with the guilt of being a scumbag who sold his best friend out for a paltry sum of money. That would be a better punishment than death. Let him kill himself slowly with his own guilt.

Niket: You're right...I'll tell him that you got to her first. I'll just disappear from your life Miri. I'm sorry-

*gets shot by Enyala*

*fight ensues*

[Ieldra]

Yes, that would've been a much better scene and made the Paragon interrupt an attractive option. Likely I'd still have let her kill him more often than not - most of my Shepards have a pragmatic streak - but it would've been a real alternative.

[jtav]

Another teaser, taking into account Ieldra's suggestions.

Miranda frowned. "Of course not!” The fallout from those projects still made her shiver to think of them. Stupid, callous, and wasteful. Jack was a powerful biotic, but how was a woman of questionable sanity who hated Cerberus supposed to advance the cause of humanity. BAaT had created more effective biotics, even though they were less absolutely powerful, without going to such extremes. All Overlord had accomplished was a planetwide geth outbreak. All because Archer was panicky and inpatient. She was more methodical. "But there will be certain aspects of this project that might be considered morally questionable. Not so much with treating adult drell like Thane. That will be difficult, but not ethically problematic. But were eventually going to have to make alterations to gametes to ensure that the next generation doesn't contract Kepral’s at all. We’re looking at something similar in scale and deployment to the genophage. Every drell would eventually be 'infected.'

“I can’t imagine there would be much of a problem with that. The drell and the hanar have been looking for a cure for a very long time. They’ll flock to you.”

“Will they? In the long term, the drell population will increase.” Miranda paused. What came next was necessary, but more difficult to say that it should have been. “In the short term, there will be an increase in the number of nonviable fetuses. I’d do everything I could to eliminate the risk, but it's unavoidable. We’d probably have to perform invasive procedures on unborn drell as well, which would further lower the birthrate. I’d say somewhere between three and five percent."

Liara’s lips pursed in thought. “That would mean tens of thousands of miscarriages. I'm not sure I could live with that if I were you."

“You mean because I miscarried?” She closed her eyes. It would take no more than a thought to reread the letter informing her that she would never be able to carry a child to term, that if she tried again she would be forever doomed to the same heartbreak. She’d done that often in the first few weeks, scouring every syllable for a loophole she would never find. Yes, she knew exactly what grief she would be inflicting on the drell. "I would rather suffer a miscarriage than watch my child slowly asphyxiate over the course of years." She softened. “All the same, I recommend pulling some strings to get funding for mental health services increased as we approach deployment."

“So we kill a few thousand now to save millions later. And if the hanar and drell don’t go along with it?”

Miranda shrugged. "Did the krogan go along with the genophage?”

[goofyomnivore]

(1) It is her choice to make.

Agreed, but is she really in the condition to think rationally? She had spent the whole mission lying to herself that Niket hadn't betrayed her. She was a mess, and you can see/hear it throughout the mission. I don't blame her or judge her for it, but she was my Shepard's friend and I wanted to give her some clarity to what she was doing, especially in the spur of the moment that she makes that choice. If she had shot him anyways, I wouldn't of judged or questioned, but I wanted her to atleast think about it for a second. I'm not trying to be her moral compass. I'm trying to be her friend and asking her to slowdown and think about this before she pulls the trigger.

(2) Shepard grabbing her gun arm while they're facing armed mercenaries is stupid.

Enyala and one merc way in the background are all that is there. Enyala is in combat range the other probably not. I don't think they could of done much damage to anyone but Niket. Miranda tosses Enyala across the room and she gets up, so I don't think Enyala is very dangerous on her own considering kinetic shields/barriers. Most of the mercenaries arrive down the elevator after combat has been initiated by Miranda.

(3) His action reminds me too much of this trope.

Yeah I hated the animation. I would of prefered verbal persuasion like Mordin's situation.

(4)Shepard's reasoning for why Niket should be spared is *stupid* to the power of ten. He expects Miranda to trust the person who has just betrayed her? Really, Shepard

I think it is naive, but in the conversation following Niket seems to be realizing he has been acting like pond scum, but Miranda in all honesty didn't treat him like a trusted friend. Niket risked his life for her and she couldn't be straight with him. I would feel betrayed and used too. However Niket's only "power" is the location of Oriana/connection to Miranda which he has lost. I don't think he could do much harm, since Miranda/Cerberus can destroy any paper trail of Oriana.

I use to let her shoot him because I hate people who take bribes, naiveness of letting him live, and the whole arm grabbing, but on my canon I persuaded her not to do it. It is one of the harder choices in the game for me despite it's triviality.

Modifié par strive, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:11 .

[Ieldra]

@jtav:
Be careful of the magnitude of the negative side effects. The miscarriages would be the result of failed experiments, and a real scientist would (a) not experiment on hundreds at one time until a solution is found that was successfully tested for the absence of side effects on a smaller number of individuals and ( should too many problems arise in the individual subjects, go back to in-vitro experiments in order to find the mistake. Large-scale problems, if any, would only occur once a permanent solution is found and tested successfully on a large number of individual subjects, then applied globally. In that case, there might be a percentage of drell on which that solution doesn't work.

It would be a process of step-wise escalation. I gather Miranda would use the results of the hanar research as a baseline for her knowledge of drell biochemistry. There would be long periods of in-vitro research, then testing for compatibility and lack of side effects in a small number of individual subjects. Repeat steps until until the candidate solution is reasonably secure, then apply it to a population big enough to get statistical results - usually a few hundred are enough. Work out any kinks in the solution if problems arise until there is an acceptable rate of success. At every stage there is a risk of having to go back to the drawing board.

This is not just a question of ethics, but of waste of resources and efficiency in research. That Cerberus appears to blithely ignore this is exactly what makes them appear not only unethical but incompetent. In the end, in the application phase there might still be that 3-5% percent of infertile drell you hint at, but Miranda would only be able to predict that after she has a candidate solution. All she'd know at this time is that there will be a risk of infertility of an unknown magnitude in her test subjects.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:18 .

[Perfecti0nist]

I always let Miranda kill Niket. Betrayal should be dealt with accordingly. My Shepard would do the same thing. It's Miranda's decision to make. If I was her, I would be mad at Shepard if he interfered. It's dumb to go around and give people second chances for no reason. Miranda understands that and she's willing to do what is needed. That's one of the things I love about her.

Not to mention the interrupt itself is retarded. Grabbing her gun while they're in a Mexican standoff? How unprofessional. They could've been shot on the spot. That's a sign of a bad team.

So yeah, Niket has to go. I can't bring myself to play Paragon anyway.

Modifié par Perfecti0nist, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:39 .

[mousestalker]

They should leave Mrianda's personality and such alone. What would push her over the top into legend status as a character is if they change her raven tresses to red. Instead of the dark, stodgy Miranda we'd have a vibrant carmen Miranda.

[CaptREDKangaroo]

Melrache wrote...

Dark_Jak337 wrote...

I might just be stupid, but out of curiosity, why do a paragon Shepherd and Miranda have to hate each other? I realize that Miranda's default attitude is renegade to the point of being painful, but people can change. In a way that is all Miranda has ever been taught: do the job at any cost. I just don't see why a paragon Shepherd wouldn't be able to change her perspective. I play a paragon in just about every playthrough, and yes, some of the interrupts are a little awkward. I blame that more on badly scripted execution than lack of story logic though. If anything, a Shepherd who exemplifies what humanity stands for should be more attractive to Miranda anyway. That is just my perspective. Thoughts?

Miranda is not silly damsel, who's head should be turned over night. She does change a bit on my playthrough, but she's still Miranda. She does what needs to be done, if no other option is given. Paragon Shepard, would get himself killed before using her methods. So of course, they're going to clash.  She'd have to change way too much to fit Paragon Shepard. Paragade would work, I think Miri on my playthrough is currently Paragade with emphasis on the ade.

Even those two might clash now and then, but yeah. Your knight in shining armour types just won't cut it in that relationship. 

Miranda isa Paragade I agree - or else she wouldnt agree so hardily to destroy the Collector's base and leave Cerebus, or feel strongly against the fringe Cerebus experiments as being wrong. She clearly has paragon qualities if you play through ME2. I think a Paragade Shep or Paragon has sway over her -

I do agree I did the Paragon Interrupt of Niket and it's poorly done imo more than the action itself. I think other Paragon Interrupts like Maelon is better and more sensible as a Paragon.

[Ieldra]

Actually no, Miranda doesn't have Paragon qualities. All throughout the game, she always recommends the expedient path. She wants to send Veetor and Legion to Cerberus, she shoots Niket if you don't intervene, she won't talk to Oriana without your intervention because that might adversely affect her safety, she doesn't want to go back for the crew's safety on the Collector base, and she defends Cerberus whenever it comes up even in her romance - which can be as late as after the Reaper IFF mission. She thinks tactically and in terms of the mission, regardless of whether others, or she herself, have to suffer for it. The only exception is her dreadful line at the Collector base, which as everyone knows I consider an out of character moment. And well, of course she disavows Pragia - she would cross a moral event horizon if she didn't, making her unacceptable as an LI for most players. She's morally ambiguous, not a villain. But within that part of the moral spectrum, she's as consequentialist as you can get.

Miranda starts as a Renegon and, depending on your interpretation of her character development, ends up somewhere between Renegon and Paragade. A full Paragon Shepard would not have her respect. Neither would a full Renegade, btw.

@mousestalker:
Only black-haired Miranda is the true Miranda. She's already somewhat iconic that way if my impression is correct. Apart from that, default femShep is a redhead, we don't need another.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 20 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .

[Ieldra]

Here's some fanart I just found:


by Vierna-Drottingu

Quite appropriate I say.

[Vertigo_1]

Very nice.

So far, for this week, we have ME3 VO work done for Joker, EDI, Anderson and today: Admiral Hackett.

I wonder who they plan on doing tomorrow? TIM?

[aeetos21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Actually no, Miranda doesn't have Paragon qualities. All throughout the game, she always recommends the expedient path. She wants to send Veetor and Legion to Cerberus, she shoots Niket if you don't intervene, she won't talk to Oriana without your intervention because that might adversely affect her safety, she doesn't want to go back for the crew's safety on the Collector base, and she defends Cerberus whenever it comes up even in her romance - which can be as late as after the Reaper IFF mission. She thinks tactically and in terms of the mission, regardless of whether others, or she herself, have to suffer for it. The only exception is her dreadful line at the Collector base, which as everyone knows I consider an out of character moment. And well, of course she disavows Pragia - she would cross a moral event horizon if she didn't, making her unacceptable as an LI for most players. She's morally ambiguous, not a villain. But within that part of the moral spectrum, she's as consequentialist as you can get.

Miranda starts as a Renegon and, depending on your interpretation of her character development, ends up somewhere between Renegon and Paragade. A full Paragon Shepard would not have her respect. Neither would a full Renegade, btw.

@mousestalker:
Only black-haired Miranda is the true Miranda. She's already somewhat iconic that way if my impression is correct. Apart from that, default femShep is a redhead, we don't need another.

/agreed, on all of it