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[spirosz]

Miss these two...

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

drwells123 wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

There's a big difference between laziness and tight schedule and limited resources with such a huge cast of characters.

Not really.  Ultimately both mean deciding that something is "good enough" when you know it's not.  And if you didn't have enough resources to manage a huge cast of characters, it was probably a bad decision to make a huge cast of characters in the first place.

I always felt (and my impression was that a lot of people on BSN felt the same) that we'd rather wait until 2013 or beyond if that was what it took to make sure the thing was done 100% right.

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I sure would. 

With Mass Effect 3, nobody knows how disappointed I was with how each ME2 character was treated (Especially Miranda, obviously).

I will agree that maybe it was a bad idea to create such a staggering cast of characters, especially since you can fit a number of them together. For example, Samara and Thane both fit the "spiritual warrior" archetype, only somewhat variated. Kaidan and Ashley (Obviously) fit their roles almost to a point.

I agree with Ventus. If that's what they needed to exceed our expectations, they should have made us wait. I'd rather wait and get the better character development and romances. As you said, ME2 characters were treated poorly. Hopefully future DLC fixes this.

[almondroy]

dtrain24 wrote...

Off-topic, but did you guys know Thane is only 39 years old in Mass Effect 2? He always seemed like he was much older for a Drell.

A lot of the races age in "dog years" compared to Humans. Salarians, for example. I don't recall any Drell-related codex entries indicating that they do the same, but it's possible. Or, that's just high mileage and world-weariness.

[TheMarshal]

Jebel Krong wrote...

You said it yourself: thane's isn't and doesn't need to be stated but cortez wails about it constantly early on. Traynor is better, but i wouldn't want a main squaddie so... Diluted like that.

I'm not even sure how to respond to you...  Complaining that Cortez being broken up over his recently deceased husband is "wailing"?  I wonder if you'd be so insensitive if it was his wife instead of his husband?  And surely you don't think Vega is "diluted" since he flirts with FemShep and asari?  Only Traynor, since she flirts with Allers?

[o Ventus]

almondroy wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Off-topic, but did you guys know Thane is only 39 years old in Mass Effect 2? He always seemed like he was much older for a Drell.

A lot of the races age in "dog years" compared to Humans. Salarians, for example. I don't recall any Drell-related codex entries indicating that they do the same, but it's possible. Or, that's just high mileage and world-weariness.

Salarians are the only race that we know actually mature faster than humans, IIRC. I thought it was always assume drell mature and age similarly to humans, just going off Thane and Kolyat's mental state in comparison to their age and beliefs. Not sure what to make of asari, since they apparently hit puberty (Rather, the equivalent to puberty) at ~40 (human years). Krogan, I would assume, mature similar to asari, what with their identical lifespans. No idea about the other species.

[Jebel Krong]

TheMarshal wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

You said it yourself: thane's isn't and doesn't need to be stated but cortez wails about it constantly early on. Traynor is better, but i wouldn't want a main squaddie so... Diluted like that.

I'm not even sure how to respond to you...  Complaining that Cortez being broken up over his recently deceased husband is "wailing"?  I wonder if you'd be so insensitive if it was his wife instead of his husband?  And surely you don't think Vega is "diluted" since he flirts with FemShep and asari?  Only Traynor, since she flirts with Allers?

oh come on! thane mentions he's dying at the start, but only by reference and it doesn't dominate the character or interaction with said therafter. compare with cortez, who's plot development is solely about his husband fow how many convos? and he has to remind you that it's, y'know HIS HUSBAND. every single time.

now, imagine miranda's limited screentime in me3 butchered even further by s/s elements. i can almost hear I LIKE WOMEN, TOO! ringing in my ears.

that said could be better than hearing about oriana and control chips for the second game running, only handled really badly.

[o Ventus]

Jebel Krong wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

You said it yourself: thane's isn't and doesn't need to be stated but cortez wails about it constantly early on. Traynor is better, but i wouldn't want a main squaddie so... Diluted like that.

I'm not even sure how to respond to you...  Complaining that Cortez being broken up over his recently deceased husband is "wailing"?  I wonder if you'd be so insensitive if it was his wife instead of his husband?  And surely you don't think Vega is "diluted" since he flirts with FemShep and asari?  Only Traynor, since she flirts with Allers?

oh come on! thane mentions he's dying at the start, but only by reference and it doesn't dominate the character or interaction with said therafter. compare with cortez, who's plot development is solely about his husband fow how many convos? and he has to remind you that it's, y'know HIS HUSBAND. every single time.

now, imagine miranda's limited screentime in me3 butchered even further by s/s elements. i can almost hear I LIKE WOMEN, TOO! ringing in my ears.

that said could be better than hearing about oriana and control chips for the second game running, only handled really badly.

Robert only dominates 1 conversation with Steve, and that's the conversation where you learn who Robert is. Apart from that, he's mentioned once more at the memorial wall, where the reference makes total sense and would feel out of place anywhere else. The conversation on the docks, the bar, the Normandy, all of them are Robert-free, or only contain a minimal passing reference.

[TheMarshal]

Jebel Krong wrote...

oh come on! thane mentions he's dying at the start, but only by reference and it doesn't dominate the character or interaction with said therafter. compare with cortez, who's plot development is solely about his husband fow how many convos? and he has to remind you that it's, y'know HIS HUSBAND. every single time.

now, imagine miranda's limited screentime in me3 butchered even further by s/s elements. i can almost hear I LIKE WOMEN, TOO! ringing in my ears.

that said could be better than hearing about oriana and control chips for the second game running, only handled really badly.

I can't think of anything to say that isn't a veiled (or not so veiled) attack on your intelligence, so I'm just gonna drop it.

[Jebel Krong]

TheMarshal wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

oh come on! thane mentions he's dying at the start, but only by reference and it doesn't dominate the character or interaction with said therafter. compare with cortez, who's plot development is solely about his husband fow how many convos? and he has to remind you that it's, y'know HIS HUSBAND. every single time.

now, imagine miranda's limited screentime in me3 butchered even further by s/s elements. i can almost hear I LIKE WOMEN, TOO! ringing in my ears.

that said could be better than hearing about oriana and control chips for the second game running, only handled really badly.

I can't think of anything to say that isn't a veiled (or not so veiled) attack on your intelligence, so I'm just gonna drop it.

ah, cant reason, or put forth any logical counter-argument; go to insults. check. about my intelligence to make it seem like you have the intellectual - and moral - superiority, check. uh-huh.

[yesikareyes]

Well, I play as Male Shepard and I didn't get creeped out by Cortez. I made it pretty clear in the bar the Shepard was into women and I think he got the message. I didn't think that him being gay was over-emphasized... I mean I was just like "oh okay."

For Miranda, yeah it's very suggestive especially in the death scene. I laughed because I didn't expect any same sex suggestions between Fshep and Miranda. Anyway my stance is, if you don't like it... just don't mind it or stick with Mshep. 

Modifié par yesikareyes, 22 mai 2012 - 10:15 .

[shepskisaac]

Thane mentions his wife more than Cortez, argument invaild. If you complain that Cortez is "pushing" the husband thing on you any more than Thane did (or Carth did), or Kasumi with Keji, you're just bigoted about it period. No "but but but".

Modifié par IsaacShep, 22 mai 2012 - 10:22 .

[Vertigo_1]

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***Exceptions to this are being made for large projects such as cosplay and comics, rest assured you will have more time to complete these

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 mai 2012 - 10:19 .

[o Ventus]

yesikareyes wrote...

For Miranda, yeah it's very suggestive especially in the death scene. I laughed because I didn't expect any same sex suggestions between Fshep and Miranda. Anyway my stance is, if you don't like it... just don't mind it or stick with Mshep. 

One reason I can never, ever play female characters in games that permit player/NPC romances. It pissed me off when I learned Miranda was originally bi (But that idea was thankfully dropped), and it pissed me off when I learned that Kaidan is now bi. It just seems that everyone is dropping their prior orientation and turning Shepardsexual.

When I play a female character in a romance-permitting game, and I see the F/F romance for a specific character that has always displayed very heterosexual tendencies (Like Kaidan in ME1), and they all of a sudden turn gay or bi, I just say "That's ****ing retarded".

Nothing against gay or bi people. Cortez is, after all, my 2nd favorite non-squad (Former or present) ship NPC, right after Traynor (Who also happens to be homosexual).

[flemm]

spiros9110 wrote...

*snip*

Miss these two...

Yep

Thanks for the pic

[yesikareyes]

o Ventus wrote...

When I play a female character in a romance-permitting game, and I see the F/F romance for a specific character that has always displayed very heterosexual tendencies (Like Kaidan in ME1), and they all of a sudden turn gay or bi, I just say "That's ****ing retarded".

I agree with this especially the Kaidan thing. I liked how they handled Cortez because he was introduced as a homosexual character and it's in his background. However, I was concerned that Kaidan will suddenly jump out of the closet. It would have been great if it was planned from the very beginning and it was hinted all through out. Like I said, I'm not a fan so I stick with MShep.

EDIT: To be clear, my jab is not at homosexuality but at character development.

Modifié par yesikareyes, 22 mai 2012 - 10:36 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 23 mai 2012 - 06:16 .

[o Ventus]

yesikareyes wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

When I play a female character in a romance-permitting game, and I see the F/F romance for a specific character that has always displayed very heterosexual tendencies (Like Kaidan in ME1), and they all of a sudden turn gay or bi, I just say "That's ****ing retarded".

I agree with this especially the Kaidan thing. I liked how they handled Cortez because he was introduced as a homosexual character and it's in his background. However, I was concerned that Kaidan will suddenly jump out of the closet. It would have been great if it was planned from the very beginning and it was hinted all through out. Like I said, I'm not a fan so I stick with MShep.

EDIT: To be clear, my jab is not at homosexuality but at character development.

Another reason it kind of pisses me off is because Ashley was supposed ot be bi too, but they dropped that because "it didn't fit her character". And Kaidan somehow got slapped with the gay stamp after he had 2 games to solidify his hetero-ness.

Because Kaidan was a closet ****** all the way back in ME1, barely containing his love for Sheploo, amirite?

Again, nothing against gay people, it's just... jarring to see a straight person (Or at least, someone who has ALWAYS acted and talked straight) just sort of turn gay (Or in this case, bi).

[shepskisaac]

o Ventus wrote...

When I play a female character in a romance-permitting game, and I see the F/F romance for a specific character that has always displayed very heterosexual tendencies (Like Kaidan in ME1), and they all of a sudden turn gay or bi, I just say "That's ****ing retarded".

And what do you call games that neglect male sex-appeal and male homosexuality almost completly while having an entire race of space blue babes all universally bisexual, Miranda butt-shots, camel toes, huge cleavages, missions that require flirting with women, chicks kissing and rubbing Shep whether he likes it or not (Shiala, Gianna, Consort), only female hookers, only strip clubs with girls, creepy fetish-nymphomaniac Ardat-Yakshi etc etc? Kaidan (or any other male) wouldn't be even able to comment on another guy in a game like ME1. His comments on women are contextual. Liara joins the squad - she says that she's good looking. Where the hot new male squadmates for him to comment on? Nowhere. Just as there's no strip club with guys dancing around he could comment on. Come back when ME1 gets patched by Bioware into being actually equal and non-hypocritical with its straight-male-oriented universe. Same for ME2.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 22 mai 2012 - 10:54 .

[o Ventus]

IsaacShep wrote...

And what do you call games that neglect male sex-appeal and male homosexuality almost completly

Retarded.

while having an entire race of space blue babes all universally bisexual

Retarded.

Miranda butt-shots,

Retarded. I didn't really care the first time it happened, but it's massively overblown at this point.

camel toes,

On EDI, retarded. On normal female characters, I understand. A lot of women actually, well... have them.

huge cleavages,

Depends on the character. If it's a character designed to be sl*tty, I can understand it. If it's just fanservice, I don't mind it unless it conflicts with a character's personality traits.

missions that require flirting with women,

Depends on the context of the mission. If Shepard (Or whoever is doing it) is faux-flirting with people to gain information or he is undercover, then I fully understand why he's doing it.

chicks kissing and rubbing Shep whether he likes it or not (Shiala, Gianna, Consort),

I cringe when all of these things happen when I have Miranda standing beside me. I can't think of anything other than "You idiot, Shepard. The woman whom your in love with is standing RIGHT THERE."

only female hookers,

I haven't seen any hookers in the games, only strippers. Either way, in a club that's oriented to heterosexual men (Those exist), would you expect to see male strippers?

deviant-nymphomaniac Ardat-Yaksi etc etc?

It depends on the character. For Morinth, it makes sense, given her personality type and her quirks.

[Td1984]

As far as women kissing/rubbing Shep, with Gianna it can be avoided. Shiala and the Consort? Not so much.

[o Ventus]

Td1984 wrote...

As far as women kissing/rubbing Shep, with Gianna it can be avoided. Shiala and the Consort? Not so much.

Although for the Consort, it was before Shepard met Miranda.

Granted, I've never actually spoken to the Consort in any of my games.

[Td1984]

In all playthroughs, I meet with the Consort, simply because she factors into 2 side-missions. Only one of my Sheps has actually had sex with her though.

[shepskisaac]

o Ventus wrote...

I haven't seen any hookers in the games, only strippers. Either way, in a club that's oriented to heterosexual men (Those exist), would you expect to see male strippers?

Consort is a hooker. An exclusive hooker is still a hooker. And you missed my point. It wasn't about "no these things can't be in games". They can be. This is a game for adults, nothing we see in it we wouldn't know/heard/experienced in real life. But when you have all of this and almost ZERO equivalent of that on the male side, then how exactly do you expect Kaidan to act "bisexual" in ME1 even if he was available for m/m romance from ME1 already? He doesn't have male strippers to comment on even if he wanted to (Chora's Den), or sexy new male squadmate joining (Liara), there are Drell DILFs in leather suits being discussed (Lorik's story about Benezia and her outfit Kaidan makes a joke about). It couldn't have been more obvious that these games were made by a team of mostly straight guys, it shows at every step. The only time in ME1 and ME2 where they detatched themselves from that straight-male perspective was with FemShep's romances.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 22 mai 2012 - 11:14 .

[o Ventus]

IsaacShep wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I haven't seen any hookers in the games, only strippers. Either way, in a club that's oriented to heterosexual men (Those exist), would you expect to see male strippers?

Consort is a hooker. An exclusive hooker is still a hooker. And you missed my point. It wasn't about "no these things can't be in games". They can be. This is a game for adults, nothing we see in it we wouldn't know/heard/experienced in real life. But when you have all of this and almost ZERO equivalent of that on the male side, then how exactly do you expect Kaidan to act "bisexual" in ME1 even if he was available for m/m romance from ME1 already? He doesn't have male strippers to comment on even if he wanted to (Chora's Den), or sexy new male squadmate joining (Liara), there are Drell DILFs in leather suits being discussed (Lorik's story about Benezia and her outfit Kaidan makes a joke about). It couldn't have been more obvious that these games were made by a team of mostly straight guys, it shows at every step. The only time in ME1 and ME2 where they detatched themselves from that straight-male perspective was with FemShep's romances.

I've never interacted with the Consort, so I have no idea what her dialogue/flirting with Shepard entails.

As for Kaidan, he could very easily have made bisexual remarks in ME1. See Steve and Shepard in Purgatory, a nightclub apparently designed for heterosexual males, and Steve still making comments about his orientation, even inviting Shepard into a relationship (If you take it), or when Steve is on the Normandy when he talks about Robert.

It isn't like Kaidan needs to go to a gay bar to make gay remarks. Steve managed to do it in the straightest of places, and he pulled it off very well.

[spirosz]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

BEHOLD: My First FemShep EVER:

*snip*



Her Name is Quorra Shepard.

She looks like Oriana a bit... coincidence?