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[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Why not name drinks after locations or stellar classifications?

The one above would be an "Agebinium Sunrise" or a "Red Dwarf".

I like it! Though I may use a slightly altered version...unless you want to make a more obviously asari-linked suggestion.

Asari-themed? I thought this had something to do with Miranda? Anyway, I'm not the best person to ask about asari-themed stuff. I might come up with something like "The Consort's lack of distance". Or make a rule that all asari drinks have to be blue and have "Azure" in their name. 

Hehe. Well, I decided having it as an asari-made beverage worked in this instance (hopefully it'll make sense when you read it), especially since we know Miranda has some affection for the culture. I didn't think honey mead wine seemed appropriate. Of course, the drink I have chosen is blue, though I'm hesitant to describe it as azure...

I'm still interested to see what other people come up with, because obviously everyone has their own ideas, and yours were very good examples.

[jtav]

[Placename] [drink] is probably a good idea to start.

I'm getting over my resentment of Liara. This will probably have the inevitable consequences once I write a few more chapters of Dying. I assume excerpts and advertisements would be hazardous to my health?

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
[Placename] [drink] is probably a good idea to start.

I'm getting over my resentment of Liara. This will probably have the inevitable consequences once I write a few more chapters of Dying. I assume excerpts and advertisements would be hazardous to my health?

A good story is a good story. I don't think I can bring myself to read one featuring Miranda/Liara, but it won't get worse from me than an absence of comments.

[Ieldra]

hot_heart wrote...
Hehe. Right now I have opted for 'Tevuran Mist'. Credit goes to Ieldra for the inspiration though.

I like it. It carries a certain mood.
Though I must keep my native language associations in check. The German word "Mist" means "crap".

[jtav]

Just polished off Sanctuary again. I may get in trouble for this, but maybe they should have gone with the original version, caged Miranda notwithstanding. If I remember right, the earliest version had you shutting down a Sanctuary that was still active. And there was a moral choice of shutting it down vs. getting Henry.

Awesome occurs, but I don't get to see it. We should have been with Miranda as she hit the facility. I feel like a glorified clean up crew.

[CrutchCricket]

fongiel24 wrote...

If she used an alias when she was working in other cells, why revert to her real name on Lazarus? Given that Lazarus would put her into close contact with so many non-Cerberus affiliated assets, it sould seem logical that if there was ever a project where she should be using an alias it would be Cerberus. 

As for the galaxy being bigger, obviously there's more places to hide in an entire galaxy than on one planet but the human population really hasn't grown that much. There may be many more sapient beings in the galaxy but the number of humans has only increased by 100% at most (I believe the codex states around 11 billion). If you factor in that the world Miranda inhabits is much more networked and technology is many times more advanced than in our world, I'd venture that it'd be easier for somebody with enough technology, contacts, and knowhow to track her down. 

IRL, one government official leaking Valerie Plame's identity as a CIA agent was considered such a serious security breach that it almost resulted in another Watergate. Miranda's identity being leaked would cause even more damage to the organization she works for because in addition to all the run-of-the-mill enemies Cerberus has made, it's at the top of the hit list for every law enforcement agency in the galaxy. Cerberus is basically the al-Qaeda of the Mass Effect universe in terms of notoriety, even in ME2. There is no shortage of rival groups, wealthy individuals, and governments who would devote massive resources to finding a ****** in Cerberus' armour to take them down.

However small a ****** Miranda's laissez-faire attitude towards hiding her identity may be, it's a potentially fatal one for both herself and Cerberus. Considering how easy it would be to hide her identity, I find it very difficult to believe someone as careful and coldly competent as Miranda wouldn't take that precaution. 

Because it doesn't matter at that point (not that I think it mattered at any point but I'm willing to go half way here). See my thoughts on the recent promotion to 2IC. It's just not that easy to track down and capture one being across an entire galaxy. Oh and 11 billion is only the population of Earth. That's not counting the colonies. And with more advanced electronic tracking methods necessarily comes more advanced countermeasures. And how are they going to track her if she's hiding on a space station like Cronos in the Bum**** quadrant somewhere? Even if the 2IC position doesn't mean she spends her time on a station like TIM it's not difficult to imagine that as soon as her cover is blown or her enemies get too close she just jaunts over to a safestation for a while till the heat dies down. Meanwhile Cerberus has already set up new digs for her, along with new credentials, new disguises maybe even going as far as reconstructive surgery.
Cerberus is too large and complex an organization to be noticably weakened by the loss of any individual (possibly apart from TIM himself) As for Miranda the galaxy is big enough and Cerberus is resourceful enough to not have to sweat minor enemies or even her father. And really her father is the strongest argument for why this is all irrelevant. He knows where she is and hasn't reclaimed her and we can safely assume not for lack of trying. If someone with his influence can't do it I'm sure she'll be fine.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Just polished off Sanctuary again. I may get in trouble for this, but maybe they should have gone with the original version, caged Miranda notwithstanding. If I remember right, the earliest version had you shutting down a Sanctuary that was still active. And there was a moral choice of shutting it down vs. getting Henry.

Awesome occurs, but I don't get to see it. We should have been with Miranda as she hit the facility. I feel like a glorified clean up crew.

if you feel like glorified clean-up crew, then Miranda has already done all the important work.

But yeah, that we don't get to see any MIranda badassery is galling. That earlier version had us at least accompany her if we so chose. Nonetheless I don't think I'd have preferred that version over the current one. 

[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I like it. It carries a certain mood.
Though I must keep my native language associations in check. The German word "Mist" means "crap".

Thanks. Haha. I wish you hadn't said that now...

[Skullheart]

This isn't related Miranda, but what you think of the new classes for MP, I mean the Ex-Cerberus Phoenix Adept and Vanguard?

I don't have interest on playing as Vorchas or male Quarians, but former Cerberus... HUMANITY FIRST!!

This might be a little possibility for a reformed Cerberus (even if MP isn't much related to the campaign).

[cbutz]

Yea I just redid sanctuary to ending again...still not good, faults of sanctuary and ending stick out even further than the first time seeing them. Cronus makes me want to throw the computer at a wall. I had to replay some ME 2 and the ending of me2 to wash that taste out of my brain. Man you really see what was lacking in 3 displayed in two for Miranda's case. And yes one problem is we are told and assume she is a BA, ME 2 conveys it better. Hopefully some good dlc will fix this.

[jtav]

ME3 does a lot right. Samantha's romance goodbye has me near tears, as does Diana Allers' email. It's just those things aren't related to Miranda.

I wonder if we might get a new Cerberus, though they might use Petrovsky and not Miranda since Miranda is dead in so many games.

[Td1984]

jtav wrote...

ME3 does a lot right. Samantha's romance goodbye has me near tears, as does Diana Allers' email. It's just those things aren't related to Miranda.

I wonder if we might get a new Cerberus, though they might use Petrovsky and not Miranda since Miranda is dead in so many games.

Agreed on both. The first time I played the game, all the goodbyes bothered me (though I hadn't romanced Sam, or knew to talk to Diana after Cronos yet). Diana's email still upsets me a bit and I'm tearing up a little just thinking about Sam's romance goodbye. Saying "I love you" isn't unique to Sam, but she's one of the few LIs you actually talk about the future with while romanced.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
I wonder if we might get a new Cerberus, though they might use Petrovsky and not Miranda since Miranda is dead in so many games.

Well, as part of the Omega DLC, I expect his troops will defect in any event. Not sure exactly how that will work, though.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

But yeah, that we don't get to see any MIranda badassery is galling. That earlier version had us at least accompany her if we so chose. Nonetheless I don't think I'd have preferred that version over the current one. 

I think the main problem with the level is that, in its current form, it is just about putting check marks on plot points, when it should have a lot of substance. Cronos station is located, Henry is killed, Oriana is saved, but the mission isn't really *about* anything.

The material is there for a lot of substance: it's the ultimate perversion of Cerberus' original ideals, it's TIM's alliance with Miranda's father after she left the organisation, it's the center for research into controlling the indoctrinated Cerberus troops and the Reapers.

Thematically, there's the whole control chip/Henry controlling Miranda and Oriana, indoctrination, controlling the Reapers connection just waiting to be explored and developed.

With better writing and level design, I think you could end up with a two-part mission, the first basically containing what we have now, and the second working alongside Miranda (if she survives) to explore the ramifications of what Henry has been doing. Something along those lines.

Modifié par flemm, 24 mai 2012 - 05:29 .

[cbutz]

I can see how they could use Miranda in Omega...then again I can see how they would not

Wouldn't it be enat if after teh Rebellion MP pacth is released, that a SP dlc is added in tehem of rebellion where there is a cerberus rebellion mission featuring Miranda.

Modifié par cbutz, 24 mai 2012 - 05:59 .

[Ieldra]

cbutz wrote...
I can see how they could use Miranda in Omega...then again I can see how they would not

Wouldn't it be enat if after teh Rebellion MP pacth is released, that a SP dlc is added in tehem of rebellion where there is a cerberus rebellion mission featuring Miranda.

Would be nice indeed. I guess it comes down to Strahovski's availability. Sometimes I wish they had used someone with a lower profile to voice Miranda.

[hot_heart]

Naeioooouuu! Strahovski is Miranda.

[jtav]

Same here. Flame me if you want. Strahovski is good, but VAs like Courtney Taylor are (a) cheaper and ( can also double as Scientist #3 to justify the paycheck. Water under the bridge since they won't recast, but why did I have to like the character with the celebrity VA?

Modifié par jtav, 24 mai 2012 - 06:29 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
 Water under the bridge since they won't recast, but why did I have to like the character with the celebrity VA?

Even worse, the only "might be dead" character with a celebrity VA

Anyway, Strahovski's performance is a big part of what originally made the character great in ME2. So, there's that.

[Caihn]

Miranda is a character created by bioware, but Yvonne gave her life. No other VA can replace her now. 
She's available right now so Bioware/EA have no escuses to not hire her. And nobody knows how much they had to pay for Yvonne, this is just pure speculation.

[jtav]

Honestly, I don't expect her to voice Miranda ever again. We might get more emails or other text, but no VA work.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Honestly, I don't expect her to voice Miranda ever again. We might get more emails or other text, but no VA work.

Eh, it wouldn't surprise me if she did. I doubt it's that big of a deal, honestly.

[jtav]

To be fair, I'm not expecting VA work from any of our former squad. So it's not about her per se. I just consider it extra unlikely in her case.

[Babi_Siha]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Honestly, I don't expect her to voice Miranda ever again. We might get more emails or other text, but no VA work.

Eh, it wouldn't surprise me if she did. I doubt it's that big of a deal, honestly.

I'm pretty sure Tricia Helfer and Seth Green are more expensive than Yvonne. The problem, is as I mentioned before, I don't think Yvonne likes the character all that much. She hardly tweeted about Miranda and never seemed all that excited when asked about and like the other 2 I mentioned videogame is not all that important to her either, so she probably sees it as another (possible crap) job.

Bioware can afford her, and she's available. But there's the fact that BW doesn't care about the character and that Yvonne will likely choose not to do anymore more VA if asked.

[Vertigo_1]

6 days left for submissions for the Miranda FanBook!***

Group: social.bioware.com/group/7217/&v=discussions#group

The book will incude letter, art and fiction. Submissions can be sent to mirandafanbook@gmail.com or to myself or flemm via PM.

***Exceptions to this are being made for large projects such as cosplay and comics, rest assured you will have more time to complete these

My contributions to get people motivated (I hope):

My draft letter:

Dear Bioware,

Miranda in ME3 was not what I expected for the most part...she was a simple character and only thought of Oriana.  I'm not saying she should think about her sister, who means a lot to her but what about other topics? Like what became of Cerberus?  She has little to say on that topic in ME3.  Meanwhile Jacob felt betrayed by TIM even though he worked for a few years and never trusted him in ME2. Miranda worked in the organization for far longer (20 years or so) and
said almost nothing. The writing for her mission fell flat for me and the only character development that happened was her throwing out her father from the tower. The Miranda who wanted human advancement and believed in Cerberus' goals in ME2 was gone in ME3. Why? Just because Cerberus turned 'evil' with their goals doesn't mean she shouldn't want to pick up the pieces and do something right for humanity for a change?

As for romance the only thing that bugged me was that she looked the same as before and that there was no pillow talk afterwards. Just teleported out of her apartment. I think pillow talk on their future would have fixed the issue of what she wanted (aside from Oriana, I think we've heard enough from that subject).  The romance dialog was good though!

In review, I feel that Miranda was relegated to a safe character in ME3. A more simple character, which I don't think is right considering how complex she was in ME2, and the reason I liked her so much.

Thanks,
Vertigo_1


And screenshots:

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 24 mai 2012 - 07:30 .