kratos0294 wrote...
Oh, how is the phoenix ash's trademark? curiousYouth4Ever wrote...
kratos0294 wrote...
You know, when i think about it, i like the name phoenix for like, the new cerberus, their rebirth. Miranda having a huge role in it of course.The STG of humanity.
No, the phoenix is Ash's trademark.
kratos0294 wrote...
Oh, how is the phoenix ash's trademark? curiousYouth4Ever wrote...
kratos0294 wrote...
You know, when i think about it, i like the name phoenix for like, the new cerberus, their rebirth. Miranda having a huge role in it of course.The STG of humanity.
No, the phoenix is Ash's trademark.
Modifié par Youth4Ever, 25 mai 2012 - 02:37 .
ripslip wrote...
Hey y'all!
ripslip wrote...
Hey y'all!
Modifié par Babi_Siha, 25 mai 2012 - 03:23 .
Dr. Doctor wrote...
The only thing with Phoenix is that the little blub about the ex-Cerberus classes says that they're apart of the Alliance, and judging from her Shadow Broker email Miranda seems to enjoy having the Alliance's grudging support of her team.
Modifié par flemm, 25 mai 2012 - 03:50 .
ripslip wrote...
Hey y'all!
.....Whatever I can do to get us more Miri:wub:
Td1984 wrote...
I admit, my favorite part of ME3 is when the Allied fleets head to Earth. The movie is badass enough on it's own, but I combine The Alan Parsons Project's "Sirius" and "Lucifer" with it and it's even more awesome. Start it when the Normandy goes through the relay and the two songs last up until Shepard & co. land on Earth.
Wouldn't have occurred to me to use them as an ME soundtrack either. I'll have to try that with a few YouTube tabs side by side.
CrutchCricket wrote...
Because it doesn't matter at that point (not that I think it mattered at any point but I'm willing to go half way here). See my thoughts on the recent promotion to 2IC. It's just not that easy to track down and capture one being across an entire galaxy. Oh and 11 billion is only the population of Earth. That's not counting the colonies. And with more advanced electronic tracking methods necessarily comes more advanced countermeasures. And how are they going to track her if she's hiding on a space station like Cronos in the Bum**** quadrant somewhere? Even if the 2IC position doesn't mean she spends her time on a station like TIM it's not difficult to imagine that as soon as her cover is blown or her enemies get too close she just jaunts over to a safestation for a while till the heat dies down. Meanwhile Cerberus has already set up new digs for her, along with new credentials, new disguises maybe even going as far as reconstructive surgery.
Cerberus is too large and complex an organization to be noticably weakened by the loss of any individual (possibly apart from TIM himself) As for Miranda the galaxy is big enough and Cerberus is resourceful enough to not have to sweat minor enemies or even her father. And really her father is the strongest argument for why this is all irrelevant. He knows where she is and hasn't reclaimed her and we can safely assume not for lack of trying. If someone with his influence can't do it I'm sure she'll be fine.
ripslip wrote...
Just emailed my letter. Hope it isn't too long.
Babi_Siha wrote...
About the Rebellion, am I the only one who doesn't care about vorcha and would rather have a new enemy, like the collectors?
Welcome to this madhouse, ripslip. I see you're in the same boat as most of us here with Miranda in general (an amazing character) and in ME3 (disappointing).ripslip wrote...
I've been lurking this thread for a while, but I decided it was finally time to make an appearance. Miranda is my favorite character by FAR - the competence, the idealism, the professionalism, the pragmatism...I could go on and on. She's just brilliant. When I first started ME2 and met her, I thought "oh a generic Ice Queen. How original," and as a straight female, I was dreading how they were going to handle the fact that she's gorgeous on top of it all. Let's just say that as the game progressed, I was pleasantly surprised. And then came ME3. Such wasted potential<_<
Anyways, here I am delurking. I've appreciated the conversations y'all have had about Miri - in general, I love talking characters and motiviations and such, and this thread delivers. Such an insightful bunch - I've seen points brought up that I never thought of. I LOVE it. I feel like y'all are so much smarter than the other threads around here haha. Miranda would be proud. Also, if you need another letter for the fanbook, I'll write one in whatever format needed. Whatever I can do to get us more Miri:wub:
Heh...I know them too. Must be the age.drwells123 wrote...
Td1984 wrote...
I admit, my favorite part of ME3 is when the Allied fleets head to Earth. The movie is badass enough on it's own, but I combine The Alan Parsons Project's "Sirius" and "Lucifer" with it and it's even more awesome. Start it when the Normandy goes through the relay and the two songs last up until Shepard & co. land on Earth.
I'd have bet money I was the only one here who'd ever even heard of Alan Parsons.
IMO there was a "Chuck" episode where Sarah had dyed her hair black and walked around in a close-fitting black leather outfit. That was generally regarded as a shoutout to ME2. A link to the scene was posted here some time ago. I vaguely recall Chuck looking like a carp...For some reason, I keep thinking I saw Yvonne do some kind of promotion/photoshoot for ME2 where she dyed her hair black to look like Miranda. I can never find it, though, so it must just be wishful thinking.
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Very nice, Vertigo_1. Can't want to see the final version. BTW, there is a spelling mistake in "independent".Vertigo_1 wrote...
Poster....
Right Click => View
You might think 'oh noes it's so incomplete!' Well this is a very very early version. And mind the background I'm just using it as a guide here
Right now I'm trying to get as much words about her as possible, dialog, description, etc.
You really think a name is the only way to track someone? TIM has eluded everyone all these years not just because some call him TIM (hah reference!) but because he almost never leaves his station and very few people even know what he looks like. That's actually a plot point in Retribution. And again we're talking about one person among billions in a huge ass galaxy. I would go so far as to say it's impossible to track one being by name alone. Any information broker, or enemy intelligence officer would also look at appearance, associates, patterns, known haunts (I'm thinking of the Shield from the Avengers now- if there's a satelite or camera, we can see it). So many different and more reliable ways of tracking Miranda regardless of what she calls herself. That being said I do believe all that hiding on a space station stuff is standard proceedure for all high ranking operatives anyway, given the threat of other agencies like the Shadow Broker being on their tail.fongiel24 wrote...
But why go to all that trouble when you can just... change your name? You wouldn't need countermeasures against information brokers, space stations in the middle of nowhere, or reconstructive surgery if you don't even show up on the enemy's radar in the first place. Hiding your true identity from the enemy gives you an advantage and it's basically free. There's no reason not to do it even if you feel you think you're powerful and resourceful enough that no one can make you pay for not taking that precaution. Why is TIM only known by a moniker? Because keeping his identity and past a secret makes him harder to decipher and gives him a psychological edge.
As for Cerberus being able to afford the loss of one individual, I'm not sure that's the case. Highly capable individuals with a natural talent for the intelligence business are rare. Individuals like that who are both human and willing to work for an organization like Cerberus are even more rare. Miranda isn't irreplacable but it wouldn't be easy to find someone to just step right into her shoes immediately. Furthermore, what if instead of being killed she's captured? Based on what we learned in ME3 from the Codex and Liara's intelligence terminal, Cerberus is paranoid about any information leaks. Their agents are fitted with ocular flashbang implants and all their gear self-destructs as soon as the operative using it is terminated. Why would an organization that's willing to go to such lengths to protect is secrecy not take the simple step of having Miranda change her name?
I wouldn't say Miranda's father is that strong of an argument. Despite his wealth and supposed influence he still has to hire a bunch of two-bit Eclipse mercenaries to recover Oriana. What this tells me is that he doesn't have people working for him capable of conducting such an operation and he doesn't have the influence to "borrow" someone like Kai Leng who could do it with more finesse and sublety. More importantly for his debate, there's no evidence that Miranda's father is even trying to reclaim her. In ME2 Miranda's father doesn't want to tangle with Cerberus and in ME3 it's Miranda who's chasing him.
Ieldra2 wrote...
Very nice, Vertigo_1. Can't want to see the final version. BTW, there is a spelling mistake in "independent".
hot_heart wrote...
Hmm, I can't actually recall where the quote on the choker in Vertigo's picture can be found. I like it. Can anyone help there?
Modifié par Vertigo_1, 25 mai 2012 - 04:55 .
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