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[Melra]

...Just because they have same genes, doesn't mean that they think the same way..

[TimberOwls]

Hey guys! Just throwing in my support for Miranda, 'cause she's awesome. Just finished my first Insanity playthrough...just when I thought my appreciation for her couldn't get any higher, it just did. Awesome character - both in personailty and in combat skills! Crossing my fingers for some screentime, either as party member or just on the Normandy as a crew member...so long as there's some conversations of course

[Prudii Aden]

Indeed Mel - just because someone shares the same genes does not mean they think alike. It's not Nature or Nurture, it's both. Oriana has had a completely different upbringing to Miranda, and as a result, different world view.

[M4NST33L]

dat ass

[Ieldra]

Drake_Hound wrote...
I do have empathy , just as I understand your reasoning about why Miranda is still Cerberus loyalty bound .
In your eyes she still is cerberus cause in your reasoning or gameplay , you subconsiously or confidently decided to choose that option .
So In your eyes TIM never did anything wrong to Miranda , that is correct , so Miranda never lost major trust in TIM .
That is the whole underlaying of this discussion the rest is moot and build to defend that hypothesis.
But what if Miranda shifted her trust towards Shepard , that trust is greater then towards TIM .
Since you cannot deny that part , might that trust be, cause shepard teaches her to be more humane .
Cause her Sister Oriana , agrees with Shepard , since Oriana is also her , her logical reasons cannot be wrong either , who knows what drives Miranda to choose Shepard over TIM aside from the romance option.
But the fact is that She did Choose Shepard over TIM .

Well no, that's not what I said. Recall when this debate started I disagreed that Miranda has changed in personality very much between the start and the end of the game, except that she now trusts Shepard. Because that's what her conversations actually indicate: she trusts Shepard where she didn't before, but still supports Cerberus' stated cause of advancing humanity. She hasn't become less pragmatic, she was never 100% ruthless to start with. TIM has not betrayed her, but she might have discovered things about Cerberus she doesn't like.

As for her decision if you destroy the base, consider this: Cerberus paid several billion credits to get Shepard back from the dead. Miranda led the way to the greatest medical achievement in human history. Then Shepard is "a bloody icon" for humanity, and he has proven he can get things done. TIM has lauded Shepard as humanity's best hope, and now he wants to throw him away for the Collector base. Once Shepard decides to destroy the base, it's plausible that she goes along with him - after all, the alternative would be to try to kill him if he doesn't back down. Before Shepard decides, though, it wouldn't be plausible for her to recommend it.

Basically, all I'm saying that Miranda's behaviour throughout the game is not a sign of a fundamental change in morals or values, considering how many things remain the same. That does not preclude a change in opinion about TIM's way of doing things, of which she now knows more than before. The same values, different data. That's how I see it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2011 - 03:16 .

[Ieldra]

TimberOwls wrote...
Hey guys! Just throwing in my support for Miranda, 'cause she's awesome. Just finished my first Insanity playthrough...just when I thought my appreciation for her couldn't get any higher, it just did. Awesome character - both in personailty and in combat skills! Crossing my fingers for some screentime, either as party member or just on the Normandy as a crew member...so long as there's some conversations of course

Thanks for the support.

Yep, Miranda is awesome (that could almost be our battle cry, heh) and we'll all hoping she'll get major screentime with significant badassery, and deepening of our friendship or romance.

[M4NST33L]

Way I see it is that she comes out of the gates believing she only has done what she has because of her tailoring. However, shep shows her that while that has improved her capabilities shes still the one that uses them to success and shes the only one that can take credit for that. Shep makes her truly believe in herself rather than believing its only genetic changes. I agree that not much changed but I think Shep really softened her up with regards to how she feels towards him and it leaves a significant amount of development room for a romance in ME3.

[Ieldra]

M4NST33L wrote...
Way I see it is that she comes out of the gates believing she only has done what she has because of her tailoring. However, shep shows her that while that has improved her capabilities shes still the one that uses them to success and shes the only one that can take credit for that. Shep makes her truly believe in herself rather than believing its only genetic changes. I agree that not much changed but I think Shep really softened her up with regards to how she feels towards him and it leaves a significant amount of development room for a romance in ME3.

I would like nothing better than that she makes peace with her origins. But it's implausible that Shepard plays a big role in that. It's something she already knows with her mind ("I am my own person") but not so much with her heart ("The only thing I can take credit for are my mistakes"), and she has to come to terms with it herself. Perhaps it helps that someone (Shepard) tells her to kickstart the process, but that's about it. It's also far from finished in ME2, and a I wouldn't want that process to be restricted to the romance. I think dealing with the ghost of her father or the actual man himself is the lynchpin of such a development. I don't have  much hope of seeing such a thing in ME3 - too personal - but I can always dream.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .

[M4NST33L]

what they could do is release DLC that allowed you to play as that squad member and have a storyline that was personal to them just thinking out loud, as I think many people would like to get to know their favorite characters better as the main story only gives a vague representation

[Melra]

I'd rather not play as Miranda. She's her own character, I wouldn't want to have any hand in how she reacts or acts, unless it's a result of interaction happens with Shepard.

Modifié par Melrache, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:08 .

[raziel1980]

Melrache wrote...
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I'd rather not play as Miranda. She's her own character, I wouldn't want to have any hand in how she reacts or acts, unless it's a result of interaction happens with Shepard.

I agree completely!

[Ieldra]

Melrache wrote...
I'd rather not play as Miranda. She's her own character, I wouldn't want to have any hand in how she reacts or acts, unless it's a result of interaction happens with Shepard.

I'm somewhat on the opposite side. If I control her actions, then in-world she acts on her own and has more agency and initiative. If Shepard influences her, she has less. I would appreciate the former.

Of course, the range of spoken lines given to her would have to be more limited than with Shepard, since Miranda is more defined than Shepard. But within those limits, I'd appreciate the opportunity let her control her story herself instead of through Shepard's influence.

In the end, Miranda needs her own game anyway!

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:36 .

[jtav]

New chapter of The Modern Prometheus is up for those interested. Reviews appreciated.

[S.A.K]

Any news on Miranda?

[LuxDragon]

It's sad to say: but no.

Comic-Con started though, so maybe soon.

[Vertigo_1]

Weeell this isn't Miranda related but there's a new section of the site open:

http://masseffect.com/me3/n7ops

Thread here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/7923172

Strange there's no section on squadmates...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 21 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[KamikazeShepard]

Looks like Bioware is going to be secretive about the Squadmates then. I like it like that, just as long as Miranda is in my squad.

[Ieldra]

Hmm...apparently the Cerberus squads we'll have to fight are under the control of the Illusive Man. Speculation about where we'll meet Miranda again becomes more and more interesting. Wouldn't it be fantastic if she started her own thing independently from TIM *and* from Shepard? And yes, jtav, also independently from the Shadow Broker

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:05 .

[LuxDragon]

An interesting premise, but not likely. 6 months after Arrival, the Reapers come. As intelligent as she is, time, resources and most importantly, money is needed to 'start' anything.

[Ieldra]

She has her contact network, which is hers and not Cerberus'. She also may have Cerberus links which haven't yet gone bad. And she may have gotten hold of part of her father's resources through hacking etc.. If they want to write things that way, it's certainly not impossible. Apparently Cerberus can train an army with a galaxy-wide presence in just a few months.

[Vertigo_1]

Bioware Pulse Stream of Comic Con:

http://www.livestream.com/biowaretv

EDIT: Well they were doing a DA2:DLC special just now but no more...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:32 .

[Vertigo_1]

Did anyone submit Miranda Fan Art for Comic Con?
Just curious...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:42 .

[goofyomnivore]

Strange there's no section on squadmates..

Ehh.. I'm very optimistic, but I think Miranda is a lock for perma squad status. I'm just not sure when she will be recruit able. I think she will be mid game(Thane/Samara-ish)..

..or I could be in hopeless denial

Modifié par strive, 21 juillet 2011 - 08:49 .

[jtav]

Realistically, I think she'll be running for her life, trying to hide her and Oriana somewhere.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Realistically, I think she'll be running for her life, trying to hide her and Oriana somewhere.

So she's been running for 6-12 months?

I don't know that just sounds OOC to me...

Anyway today they did VO work for Cmdr Bailey