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[jtav]

Ask what she was doing there. Attempt to make conversation. Fail.

[cbutz]

If she was at my door , I would crap in my pants because that meant the Reapers are real, try to convince the world that we need to go to mars so that we can prepare for the invasion. i would ask her what was going on in the universe when she somehow space magicked to 2012. If she is pre-Lazurus project, would crap in my pants and try to find a way to get her "back to the future" so she can resurrect Shepard. One side of me would think why bother because of the crappy ending (universe screwing RGB). If she is post-Lazurus post me 2 Miranda I would say (that explains the lack of content! in me3! but still try to get her back to the future.

If she ever exists int he future she is meant for that time not here in 2012.

[CrutchCricket]

o Ventus wrote...

Random Socratic experiment incoming.

Suppose Miranda appeared at your door the next morning after you wake up. Realistically, what would your reaction be?

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Random Socratic experiment incoming.

Suppose Miranda appeared at your door the next morning after you wake up. Realistically, what would your reaction be?

Miranda: Is that how people in your time period greet others?

Me: *Looks down* Give me a second. It appears I need to change my pants.

[Dr. Doctor]

jtav wrote...
Anyone else noticed there are a lot of WTF reactions from non-fans regarding Miranda's role?

Miranda's relationship with Cerberus is one of her main sticking points with people. It's either something you like about her or it isn't, when that part of her character suddenly disappears it's pretty jarring.

o Ventus wrote...

Random Socratic experiment incoming.

Suppose Miranda appeared at your door the next morning after you wake up. Realistically, what would your reaction be?

Duck. If Wilson is any indication having Miranda suddenly appearing in a doorway unannounced is a very bad thing.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 07 juin 2012 - 03:25 .

[o Ventus]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Random Socratic experiment incoming.

Suppose Miranda appeared at your door the next morning after you wake up. Realistically, what would your reaction be?

Duck. If Wilson is any indication having Miranda suddenly appearing in a door unannounced is a very bad thing. 

Unless you're a Shadow Broker mole (or otherwise attempting to undermine an assignment she's working on), I think you're fine.

[flemm]

ripslip wrote...
Yep. I've noticed it both on the forums and with the few people I've talked with in person. Heck, my brother can't stand Miranda (stupid boy), but even he concedes that they wasted a huge and obvious opportunity with respect to her role in ME3. It's just a testament to how much they missed the mark, because the solution was blatantly there. Expected, even. It's mind-boggling, really. 

I think it's partly that Miranda represents an entire point of view (that Cerberus has or had at one point an idealistic core, or the potential to serve valuable goals and ideals) that the game should clearly support in some form, because that idea is a big part of the series due to ME2. 

Meanwhile, on the contrary, the game doesn't support that idea in any form.

This blatantly divests the whole game of an interesting dimension that it should have had. Even if one disagrees with that point of view, one senses that it should be present. *And* that it should be Miranda who embodies it, because she is the one who makes that case in the Cerberus-centric game.

Modifié par flemm, 07 juin 2012 - 03:34 .

[ripslip]

flemm wrote...
This blatantly divests the whole game of an interesting dimension that it should have had. Even if one disagrees with that point of view, one senses that it should be present. *And* that it should be Miranda who embodies it, because she is the one who makes that case in the Cerberus-centric game.

Exactly. And as I believe polls/various statistics have shown, she was a popular squadmate, and the vast majority of players destroyed the base. So you have a ton of players who have seen growth from cheerleader to resignation (I really hope this doesn't turn this into another collector base argument. That's not my point.). They distrust TIM, but not Miranda. So for players, it makes complete sense plot-wise and character-wise for Miranda to have an opinion and be a major player in Cerberus plots without investing any time into analyzing Miranda at all. It's not like this is something that requires knowledge of different dialogue tree paths or codex entries or anything. It's right there in front of your face. 

When I was playing through ME3 the first time and started doing Cerberus plots and talking to Miranda, I assumed she would be coming with me. It was a foregone conclusion for me - it was like they planned it. Miranda's eyes open in 2; she helps oppose them in 3. It. Just. Makes. Sense.

It really makes me curious as to what happened. I find it hard to believe that they didn't see the obvious connections. Did they just realize it too late? Budget issues? Disk space? Or did they think what they gave us is better 

[o Ventus]

ripslip wrote...

Or did they think what they gave us is better 

It wouldn't surprise me.

[ripslip]

o Ventus wrote...
It wouldn't surprise me.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. 

[o Ventus]

ripslip wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
It wouldn't surprise me.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. 

I'm still standing.

Oh, you weren't talking about me.

[Td1984]

o Ventus wrote...

Random Socratic experiment incoming.

Suppose Miranda appeared at your door the next morning after you wake up. Realistically, what would your reaction be?

I'd say "Yvonne, what's with the Miranda cosplay?"

[flemm]

Td1984 wrote...

I'd say "Yvonne, what's with the Miranda cosplay?"

LoL, nicely done

[Td1984]

flemm wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

I'd say "Yvonne, what's with the Miranda cosplay?"

LoL, nicely done

I have my moments...

[o Ventus]

Td1984 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Random Socratic experiment incoming.

Suppose Miranda appeared at your door the next morning after you wake up. Realistically, what would your reaction be?

I'd say "Yvonne, what's with the Miranda cosplay?"

"Who? I don't know anyone named Yvonne."

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...

ripslip wrote...
Or did they think what they gave us is better 

It wouldn't surprise me.

After this ending, nothing would surprise me anymore. If they thought about this at all, likely it was "No controversy please. Let her be a "safe" character whose death everyone can regret. Also we need more Kai Leng victims."

"Character integrity? That's for dummies. We can character-assassinate Liara and still make her the most popular. We can character-assassinate Shepard in the ending. It doesn't matter."

Gods, am I cynical today.

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Anyone else noticed there are a lot of WTF reactions from non-fans regarding Miranda's role?

Yes. Several threads on the campaign and story forum were made about this since ME3 came out. That should prevent any "Oh it's just her fans whining" reaction by anyone.

BTW:
Has anyone looked at the results of the Mass Effect survey at http://www.masseffect-universe.de? It shouldn't be a surprise that Miranda lost ground in popularity as an LI; being not on the team and with unsatisfying content, but at least she got a significant share, unlike the other ME2 LIs. To my extreme annoyance, Bioware succeeded with pushing LIara into players' faces, resulting in a 36% share, more than double of the next in line (Tali). I wonder how much Liara's blatant ninja-mancing is responsible for this.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 juin 2012 - 07:50 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

ripslip wrote...
Or did they think what they gave us is better 

It wouldn't surprise me.

After this ending, nothing would surprise me anymore. If they thought about this at all, likely it was "No controversy please. Let her be a "safe" character whose death everyone can regret. Also we need more Kai Leng victims."

"Character integrity? That's for dummies. We can character-assassinate Liara and still make her the most popular. We can character-assassinate Shepard in the ending. It doesn't matter."

Gods, am I cynical today.

I'm cynical too. Nothing controversial or complicated that might scare off those casual new players.

Modifié par wright1978, 07 juin 2012 - 07:29 .

[o Ventus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Anyone else noticed there are a lot of WTF reactions from non-fans regarding Miranda's role?

Yes. Several threads on the campaign and story forum were made about this since ME3 came out. That should prevent any "Oh it's just her fans whining" reaction by anyone.

BTW:
Has anyone looked at the results of the Mass Effect survey at http://www.masseffect-universe.de? It should be a surprise that Miranda lost ground in popularity as an LI; being not on the team and with unsatisfying content, but at least she got a significant share, unlike the other ME2 LIs. To my extreme annoyance, Bioware succeeded with pushing LIara into players' faces, resulting in a 36% share, more than double of the next in line (Tali). I wonder how much Liara's blatant ninja-mancing is responsible for this.

Yeah, being gutted for content can do that to ya.

I remember a Bioware employee (I think it was Priestly) who said "We treat all of our characters equally. We don't express any favoritism amongst them in-game". My face has a permanent imprint of my hand on it from the intense facepalm. This was also AFTER ME3 came out, mind you, and Liara's status as a de-facto writer's pet and living plot contrivance was already set.

[ripslip]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Has anyone looked at the results of the Mass Effect survey at http://www.masseffect-universe.de? It shouldn't be a surprise that Miranda lost ground in popularity as an LI; being not on the team and with unsatisfying content, but at least she got a significant share, unlike the other ME2 LIs. To my extreme annoyance, Bioware succeeded with pushing LIara into players' faces, resulting in a 36% share, more than double of the next in line (Tali). I wonder how much Liara's blatant ninja-mancing is responsible for this.

Miranda had a strong showing for not being a squaddie. I feel like her numbers would be even higher if Ashley wasn't a squadmate, too. Since they're the two human hetero LI's, I think some people chose between Ash/Miri based on who looked like they would have more content - that's what my broshep did on his first playthrough.

Liara's numbers are that large because she's been bi from the beginning. If she were restricted to just one gender, she's still have a huge fanbase, probably still the largest, but it wouldn't be as big of a gap.

Modifié par ripslip, 07 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[ThomGau]

Ieldra2 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

ripslip wrote...
Or did they think what they gave us is better 

It wouldn't surprise me.

After this ending, nothing would surprise me anymore. If they thought about this at all, likely it was "No controversy please. Let her be a "safe" character whose death everyone can regret. Also we need more Kai Leng victims."

"Character integrity? That's for dummies. We can character-assassinate Liara and still make her the most popular. We can character-assassinate Shepard in the ending. It doesn't matter."

Gods, am I cynical today.

Merely realistic.
It wouldn't surprise me either, they afterall probably thought the endings were brilliant and satisfying. This should also apply to the rest of the game, including Miranda's role.
To me, it sometimes seems as if the ME1&2 developers were replaced for ME3, given how the writing has evolved from being fleshed out and thoughtful to what we have now.

Modifié par ThomGau, 07 juin 2012 - 10:05 .

[Ieldra]

On the Hold the Line forums, Christ Priestly asked what was the worst thing about ME3 apart from the ending.

I said something about how Miranda was treated...

[lillitheris]

Ieldra2 wrote...

On the Hold the Line forums, Christ Priestly asked what was the worst thing about ME3 apart from the ending.

I said something about how Miranda was treated...

As a sidenote, it’s great how BioWare interacts more on HTL than here…

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

On the Hold the Line forums, Christ Priestly asked what was the worst thing about ME3 apart from the ending.

I said something about how Miranda was treated...

Well i mentioned my issue with Miranda's absence from Ceberus arc but my rage was focused on the monstrosity that is auto-dialogue.

[fiendishchicken]

wright1978 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

On the Hold the Line forums, Christ Priestly asked what was the worst thing about ME3 apart from the ending.

I said something about how Miranda was treated...

Well i mentioned my issue with Miranda's absence from Ceberus arc but my rage was focused on the monstrosity that is auto-dialogue.

Wrote a pretty long rage too. I added a LOT about Miranda. But the main point of my argument was about player agency. There's just no choice in ME3.