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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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Vertigo_1 wrote...
I suppose I should post these:

ME3 Extended Cut scene leaked

Apartment Scene w/Miranda reimagined

That gif is amazing. "I AM A BIOTIC GOD"

I knew there was a hidden subtext to that scene. Though I was thinking pancakes instead of waffles.

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Oh my god! That was so bad... Vertigo... hate to admit I laughed at it. *shakes head* "I'm the biotic god... you should be in awe of me..." :)

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Okay, discussion topic to help my blood pressure.

We have, in the ME universe, the power to create mental imprint routines, store memories electronically, create startlingly human AIs, and age clones to adulthood in a matter of days or weeks. There's no reason bodily death should spell the end of personality. So would you accept a scenario where a Miranda who survives the SM is killed between games but is "resurrected" by having her memories and personality stored in a synthetic body if that meant she could have a larger role?

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Hmmm, well, I don't really see the interest of such a scenario. Part of what makes Miranda interesting and unique is the fact that she is a genetically-engineered organic (not synthetic) being. So... robot Miranda kind of detracts from that.

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@Vertigo:
How would making such a postcard work? I am definitely no artist, but I have a location preference. Would it help if I provided some pictures?

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Td1984 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
I agree the whole dark energy storyline seemed interesting from what was hinted at in ME2... and the haestrom sun. I still think there was more to that...


It was interesting but it could have used some work IMO.
And brining that back would bring back...Gianna Parasini!

:wizard:
(she talked about dark energy queries in ME2 if you remember)


Yep, part of me feels that why Gianna isn't in ME3. That awkward talk about, so what's going on with dark energy then?

If they bring Gianna back via DLC, I wonder if they'd throw in the romance option like they talked about doing. That would be the only way I'd create a third MShep.


Shiala too. She and the rest of Zhu's Hope just sort of disappear after the e-mail that nets you 30 assets.

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jtav wrote...
We have, in the ME universe, the power to create mental imprint routines, store memories electronically, create startlingly human AIs, and age clones to adulthood in a matter of days or weeks. There's no reason bodily death should spell the end of personality. So would you accept a scenario where a Miranda who survives the SM is killed between games but is "resurrected" by having her memories and personality stored in a synthetic body if that meant she could have a larger role?

You know that I find the idea interesting, jtav. I am currently playing a tabletop RPG with friends where switching bodies is commonplace, even between synthetic and organic bodies (see here if you're interested). It's not commonplace in the ME universe, but the technologies exist. Depending on the outcome, I would find such a scenario fully acceptable. The only condition I'd set is that she has the option to get a body cloned from her own genes back in the end.

Edit:
I think this would be something of a theme shift, though. Miranda's genetic engineering would be removed as a factor. I don't have a problem with it, but others may.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 07 juin 2012 - 09:16 .


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jtav wrote...

Okay, discussion topic to help my blood pressure.

We have, in the ME universe, the power to create mental imprint routines, store memories electronically, create startlingly human AIs, and age clones to adulthood in a matter of days or weeks. There's no reason bodily death should spell the end of personality. So would you accept a scenario where a Miranda who survives the SM is killed between games but is "resurrected" by having her memories and personality stored in a synthetic body if that meant she could have a larger role?


Not a fan of the idea personally. Also I don't see her could be dead status as the reason for her not getting the role in the Cerberus arc that she should have had. Quality, not size is the current problem

Modifié par wright1978, 07 juin 2012 - 09:15 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

@Vertigo:
How would making such a postcard work? I am definitely no artist, but I have a location preference. Would it help if I provided some pictures?


Yes please if you can

EDIT: what's the location btw?:o

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 07 juin 2012 - 09:23 .


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jtav wrote...

Okay, discussion topic to help my blood pressure.

We have, in the ME universe, the power to create mental imprint routines, store memories electronically, create startlingly human AIs, and age clones to adulthood in a matter of days or weeks. There's no reason bodily death should spell the end of personality. So would you accept a scenario where a Miranda who survives the SM is killed between games but is "resurrected" by having her memories and personality stored in a synthetic body if that meant she could have a larger role?


That's... retarded.

Like, Gump levels of retarded.

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wright1978 wrote...
 Quality, not size is the current problem


Well, a bit of both, I think. But certainly quality first. There's truly no reason why a role this size couldn't have captured more of what makes the character great.

Modifié par flemm, 07 juin 2012 - 09:27 .


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wright1978 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Okay, discussion topic to help my blood pressure.

We have, in the ME universe, the power to create mental imprint routines, store memories electronically, create startlingly human AIs, and age clones to adulthood in a matter of days or weeks. There's no reason bodily death should spell the end of personality. So would you accept a scenario where a Miranda who survives the SM is killed between games but is "resurrected" by having her memories and personality stored in a synthetic body if that meant she could have a larger role?


Not a fan of the idea personally. Also I don't see her could be dead status as the reason for her not getting the role in the Cerberus arc that she should have had. Quality, not size is the current problem


Well, Garrus possibly being dead locked him out from the Palaven story arc-- Wait, no that didn't happen. He's still very involved in that.

But Tali possibly being dead removed her from the quarian/geth confli-- No, that didn't happen either. She's still a central figure in that as well.

It's a tissue paper thin excuse. The fact that Bioware subverted their own logic not once (In the same game, involving the same characters), but twice makes me a bit hesitant to purchase future franchise titles from them.

Modifié par o Ventus, 07 juin 2012 - 09:47 .


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o Ventus wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

jtav wrote...

Okay, discussion topic to help my blood pressure.

We have, in the ME universe, the power to create mental imprint routines, store memories electronically, create startlingly human AIs, and age clones to adulthood in a matter of days or weeks. There's no reason bodily death should spell the end of personality. So would you accept a scenario where a Miranda who survives the SM is killed between games but is "resurrected" by having her memories and personality stored in a synthetic body if that meant she could have a larger role?


Not a fan of the idea personally. Also I don't see her could be dead status as the reason for her not getting the role in the Cerberus arc that she should have had. Quality, not size is the current problem


Well, Garrus possibly being dead locked him out from the Palaven story arc-- Wait, no that didn't happen. He's still very involved in that.

But Tali possibly being dead removed her from the quarian/geth confli-- No, that didn't happen either. She's still a central figure in that as well.

It's a tissue paper thin excuse. The fact that Bioware subverted their own logic not once (In the same game, involving the same characters), but twice makes me a bit hesitant to purchase future franchise titles from them.


@jtav if it's for your own personal writing do whatever you want... as for it being in ME3.  No, I'm not fond of the idea. It wouldn't be Miranda. I'm not fond of synthesis.    

@everyone else
On thessia the prothean projection talked about only two options, control and destroy they came up with?  Wonder how they came up with Synthesis when building it.   The whole rgb thing just irks the hell out of me.

Did anyone import a dead Garrus and Tali?  If so, how could they be alive in ME3?  :mellow:

I didn't. Mine all survived.  I couldn't believe Mordin died in one my ME2 playthrough. I was like wtf! hehe... I redid it. In another playthrough I did kill everyone almost... It was just sad to watch. :huh:  When suicide missions goes terribly wrong. lol

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when a suicide mission goes wrong, everyone comes out... alive?

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@ Jtav

It's a neat idea, and is possible judging from Lazarus and Dr. Eva/EDI but coming back from the dead is a plot device that has to be conserved. Bring too many people back and it'll destroy a narrative.

The issue with Miranda's role with Cerberus is that Cerberus doesn't really have a story arc in ME3. TIM wants to control the Reapers, they're trying to kidnap students from Grissom, Gellix, the coup, and Cronos. It's not so much a story as TIM rambling on about a plan that doesn't go anywhere. 

Cerberus fills the gap left by ME2's merc companies. They give us something other than husks and Geth to shoot at.

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A suicide mission going terribly wrong is when you beat all odds and come back alive only to find your continued existence has become almost negligible. :P

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hot_heart wrote...

A suicide mission going terribly wrong is when you beat all odds and come back alive only to find your continued existence has become almost negligible. :P


What happens when a kamikaze pilot returns home?

Do people throw tomatoes at him? Is he given a court martial?

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Having recently done a complete failure playthrough I find Shepard's "Joker you've got to warn them!" line hilarious after playing ME3.

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I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

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dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.


Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

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o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.


Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.


I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

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Having recently done a complete failure playthrough I find Shepard's "Joker you've got to warn them!" line hilarious after playing ME3.


That is hilarious, now that you mention it Image IPB

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They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.



Most likely. After seeing how they ignored the wishlist from the chracter thread with highest activity before the release, I doubt they even care for the feedback.

But, I bet we'll see Shepard on Gilligan's planet with some blue childs in the EC.

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@ Jtav

It's a neat idea, and is possible judging from Lazarus and Dr. Eva/EDI but coming back from the dead is a plot device that has to be conserved. Bring too many people back and it'll destroy a narrative.

The issue with Miranda's role with Cerberus is that Cerberus doesn't really have a story arc in ME3. TIM wants to control the Reapers, they're trying to kidnap students from Grissom, Gellix, the coup, and Cronos. It's not so much a story as TIM rambling on about a plan that doesn't go anywhere. 

Cerberus fills the gap left by ME2's merc companies. They give us something other than husks and Geth to shoot at.


doesn't go anywhere because of course he's indoctrinated by then. which was a shame, he was better fighting the reapers, albeit in a different an morally questionable way. though i shoulda seen it coming after the blunt-forcce trauma storytelling in the comics.

sometimes it feels like waters just stripped all the subtlety of all the plot set-ups away and just simplified everything into cliches and stereotypes.

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o Ventus wrote...

Td1984 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...
I agree the whole dark energy storyline seemed interesting from what was hinted at in ME2... and the haestrom sun. I still think there was more to that...


It was interesting but it could have used some work IMO.
And brining that back would bring back...Gianna Parasini!

:wizard:
(she talked about dark energy queries in ME2 if you remember)


Yep, part of me feels that why Gianna isn't in ME3. That awkward talk about, so what's going on with dark energy then?

If they bring Gianna back via DLC, I wonder if they'd throw in the romance option like they talked about doing. That would be the only way I'd create a third MShep.


Shiala too. She and the rest of Zhu's Hope just sort of disappear after the e-mail that nets you 30 assets.

Problem with Shiala is that that e-mail indicates she's screwed. She says that she's certain she's still indoctrinated. So unless "destroy" frees her of the indoctrination and at some point you can go rescue her after the war ends, that romance is doomed.