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[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

Modifié par o Ventus, 07 juin 2012 - 11:11 .

[Spitfire017]

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

You'd think Gamble would have a say though, right?

[o Ventus]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

How the hell would the SM and Miranda's resignation work then? Never mind her loyalty mission...

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

You'd think Gamble would have a say though, right?

He can say anything he wants, Hudson has more say than he does.

And after all, Hudson is an artistic genius.

[Stalker]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

I think this is a really great idea... sadly impossible for game desgin...

However, I would stay with Cerberus, but not only for Miranda. 
I have always been a supporter of Cerberus' ideas to some point. If given the chance, I would have also never reassigned from them at the end of ME2... even with my 75% Paragon views.

[flemm]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

Well, there's no doubt that Miranda would make an excellent antagonist. It's something that's been discussed before. You could even do a romance, theoretically.

[Skullheart]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

I'll stay with Cerberus. They were doing something while the Alliance was doing nothing, just playing nice for the Aliens. Not to mention how their treatment to Shepard when s/he died. Used him as posterboy for recruitments and ignoring his warnings about the Reapers.

And Miranda on this scenario, well, she'll die with a redemption role, because Walters didn't want anything good from Cerberus in ME3.

[wright1978]

Skullheart wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

I'll stay with Cerberus. They were doing something while the Alliance was doing nothing, just playing nice for the Aliens. Not to mention how their treatment to Shepard when s/he died. Used him as posterboy for recruitments and ignoring his warnings about the Reapers.

And Miranda on this scenario, well, she'll die with a redemption role, because Walters didn't want anything good from Cerberus in ME3.

Yep this, can't stand Alliance anymore. Wanna punch Shep in ME3 for forgetting his bitterness towards them.

[o Ventus]

Skullheart wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

I'll stay with Cerberus. They were doing something while the Alliance was doing nothing, just playing nice for the Aliens. Not to mention how their treatment to Shepard when s/he died. Used him as posterboy for recruitments and ignoring his warnings about the Reapers.

And Miranda on this scenario, well, she'll die with a redemption role, because Walters didn't want anything good from Cerberus in ME3.

Does anyone else think of the Federation from Starship Troopers when seeing the Alliance's policies?

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

You'd think Gamble would have a say though, right?

He can say anything he wants, Hudson has more say than he does.

And after all, Hudson is an artistic genius.

With a load of integrity.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

With a load of integrity.

And not a liar in any way.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

With a load of integrity.

And not a liar in any way.

Hey, he promised our choices would matter in the en- oh wait.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

With a load of integrity.

And not a liar in any way.

Hey, he promised our choices would matter in the en- oh wait.

Granted, I think Gamble lied worse.

"We aren't giving our players an ABC ending with recycled cutscenes, we want it to be different and meaningful"

Well, he was technically right, we didn't get ABC. We got RGB.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

With a load of integrity.

And not a liar in any way.

Hey, he promised our choices would matter in the en- oh wait.

Granted, I think Gamble lied worse.

"We aren't giving our players an ABC ending with recycled cutscenes, we want it to be different and meaningful"

Well, he was technically right, we didn't get ABC. We got RGB.

I bet Hudson put him up to that.
"Here Mike, say these lines"

[Td1984]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

My canon MShep and Mirandamancer Thomas would stay with Cerberus unless he could convince Miranda to jump ship along with him. One of my FSheps, Sarah would likely stay with Cerberus as well, as she doesn't feel the Alliance does enough to protect humanity. My alt MShep Daniel would leave because Ash is his LI.

I'm not sure about my other FSheps. Katniss (who like her namesake has trust issues) would likely go back. Jennifer is Alliance to the core and would go back. Azzandra would probably go back to the Alliance as well. Of course, this would all depend on whether or not the Alliance (and Council) would give them the resources to continue to go after the Collectors. If not, they'd stick it out with Cerberus until the job was done.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Vertigo:
How would making such a postcard work? I am definitely no artist, but I have a location preference. Would it help if I provided some pictures?

Yes please if you can

EDIT: what's the location btw?

As I said in an earlier answer to your announcement:

Venice, at the corner of the Doge's palace, with the lagoon and some gondolas in the background. I'll try to find some pictures.

[dtrain24]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

@Vertigo:
How would making such a postcard work? I am definitely no artist, but I have a location preference. Would it help if I provided some pictures?

Yes please if you can

EDIT: what's the location btw?

As I said in an earlier answer to your announcement:

Venice, at the corner of the Doge's palace, with the lagoon and some gondolas in the background. I'll try to find some pictures.

Ooh, I like Venice.
If not that, I think the Roman Colosseum would be a nice fit for Miranda also. Or the Trevii Fountain.

[enayasoul]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

How could we not think that???  The "Arrival" dlc proved that blowing up a Mass Relay destroyed the system and all 300,000+ batarians ceases to exist!   

Are you saying the Mass Relays in the ending fizzled and broke apart not destroying the systems?

[o Ventus]

enayasoul wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I was talking to some of my friends today about a topic we touched on. One was a Tali romancer, the other an Ashley romancer. Even they were surprised about Miranda's role in ME3.
My Ashley friend said that he thought the initial encounter with Miranda would see her firing at and escaping from some Cerberus troopers and Shepard then gives her some help.
My Tali friend was surprised at her role and feels she definitely needed a Cerberus sub-plot.
Our points have been proven.

Remember, Bioware is listening to our feedback.

They just don't care, and they're giving us the exact opposite of what we (By that, I mean most of us) wanted in the EC.

I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

How could we not think that???  The "Arrival" dlc proved that blowing up a Mass Relay destroyed the system and all 300,000+ batarians ceases to exist!   

Are you saying the Mass Relays in the ending fizzled and broke apart not destroying the systems?

Something something different kind of explosion, and thus the energy is dispersed differently, or something like that. Something sort of scientifically plausible.

But then you get to Synthesis and see how scientifically implausible that is. 

I think Weekes might have just gotten lucky in ME2 and 3.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Venice, at the corner of the Doge's palace, with the lagoon and some gondolas in the background. I'll try to find some pictures.

Hmm, well, that would be nice

[MisterJB]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

I never considered Miranda's resignation as the result of some effect Shepard had on her. Therefore, if Cerberus is still the same in your ME3 as it is in the game, she would resign eventually.

[Vertigo_1]

enayasoul wrote...
How could we not think that???  The "Arrival" dlc proved that blowing up a Mass Relay destroyed the system and all 300,000+ batarians ceases to exist!   

Are you saying the Mass Relays in the ending fizzled and broke apart not destroying the systems?

Weekes mentioned that that's what happened, enayasoul, here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234

-Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. 

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 08 juin 2012 - 12:36 .

[Dr. Doctor]

o Ventus wrote...

Something something different kind of explosion, and thus the energy is dispersed differently, or something like that. Something sort of scientifically plausible.

But then you get to Synthesis and see how scientifically implausible that is. 

I think Weekes might have just gotten lucky in ME2 and 3.

What confuses the hell out of me is how the heck does the Crucible hit a Reaper? It's a huge directed energy weapon that fires through the Mass Relay network. Unless it can move the relays or simply kills everything in the path of the beam you've only got one shot. What about Reapers in systems that aren't connected via relay? 

[o Ventus]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Something something different kind of explosion, and thus the energy is dispersed differently, or something like that. Something sort of scientifically plausible.

But then you get to Synthesis and see how scientifically implausible that is. 

I think Weekes might have just gotten lucky in ME2 and 3.

What confuses the hell out of me is how the heck does the Crucible hit a Reaper? It's a huge directed energy weapon that fires through the Mass Relay network. Unless it can move the relays or simply kills everything in the path of the beam you've only got one shot. What about Reapers in systems that aren't connected via relay? 

I've asked the same question concerning the Synthesis.

What about all the people that lived on the planets that were far away from a relay? Gellix? Lessus? Are they half robot too or just SOL?

Modifié par o Ventus, 08 juin 2012 - 12:57 .