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[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes mentioned that that's what happened, enayasoul, here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234

-Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. 

They exploded pretty violently, and there was certainly a sizable shockwave...

[enayasoul]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Something something different kind of explosion, and thus the energy is dispersed differently, or something like that. Something sort of scientifically plausible.

But then you get to Synthesis and see how scientifically implausible that is. 

I think Weekes might have just gotten lucky in ME2 and 3.

What confuses the hell out of me is how the heck does the Crucible hit a Reaper? It's a huge directed energy weapon that fires through the Mass Relay network. Unless it can move the relays or simply kills everything in the path of the beam you've only got one shot. What about Reapers in systems that aren't connected via relay? 

Good point! Dr. Doctor.

I have another... when the Reapers flop down on Earth and on other planets... Are we not still screwed because in ME2 it mentions, in the game, that even a dead reaper has the power to indoctrinate people around it!

Or will the Reaper really do become "dead" and no longer harm humanity and other races?  <_<

[o Ventus]

enayasoul wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Something something different kind of explosion, and thus the energy is dispersed differently, or something like that. Something sort of scientifically plausible.

But then you get to Synthesis and see how scientifically implausible that is. 

I think Weekes might have just gotten lucky in ME2 and 3.

What confuses the hell out of me is how the heck does the Crucible hit a Reaper? It's a huge directed energy weapon that fires through the Mass Relay network. Unless it can move the relays or simply kills everything in the path of the beam you've only got one shot. What about Reapers in systems that aren't connected via relay? 

Good point! Dr. Doctor.

I have another... when the Reapers flop down on Earth and on other planets... Are we not still screwed because in ME2 it mentions, in the game, that even a dead reaper has the power to indoctrinate people around it!

Or will the Reaper really do become "dead" and no longer harm humanity and other races?  <_<

The derelict Reaper in ME2 still had a functioning power core. It wasn't "dead" dead.  would assume the Crucible in the Destroy ending shut the Reapers down for good. After all, indoctrination is just conditioning the brain with infra/ultrasonic messages. Just shut down the method of transmission, and indoctrination is no longer an issue.

[CrutchCricket]

hot_heart wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...
I suppose I should post these:

ME3 Extended Cut scene leaked

Apartment Scene w/Miranda reimagined

That gif is amazing. "I AM A BIOTIC GOD"

I knew there was a hidden subtext to that scene. Though I was thinking pancakes instead of waffles.

lol oh man I did not see that coming. Got a bit awkward near the end. But just gold, regardless.

[CrutchCricket]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

Nah, I think ME2 works fine just the way it is. Otherwise what's really missing is the ability to tell both to go to hell and go independent. Now that's what should've happened for ME3.

[Vertigo_1]

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes mentioned that that's what happened, enayasoul, here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234

-Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. 

They exploded pretty violently, and there was certainly a sizable shockwave...

Shockwave wasn't destructive in nature like Arrival one was.

[Spitfire017]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

I got a question for you guys. I have been thinking of my own re-imagined Mass Effect 2 where Shepard jumps ship and goes over to the Alliance after Horizon occurs. However, this would have the negative effect of making Miranda come to hate Shepard and she remains loyal to Cerberus in ME3.

Now, if this, (for speculation purposes) was implemented in a redesigned ME2, would you could choose to stick with Cerberus or go Alliance?
Staying with Cerberus=loyal and romancable Miranda.
Going Alliance=Miranda tries to lead a "mutiny" of sorts but is kicked off the ship by Shepard. Therefore, she is still really loyal to Cerberus and TIM in the beginning of ME3 and is therefore your enemy.
How would you feel about this? Especially Miranda's role in ME3 if this occured?

Just curious for your thoughts Miranda fans.

Nah, I think ME2 works fine just the way it is. Otherwise what's really missing is the ability to tell both to go to hell and go independent. Now that's what should've happened for ME3.

Im not saying that ME2 needs these changes or criticing ME2, just curious for what side you would choose if given a choice. And, this is a fanfic Iam talking about.

[flemm]

Spitfire017 wrote...
Im not saying that ME2 needs these changes or criticing ME2, just curious for what side you would choose if given a choice. And, this is a fanfic Iam talking about.

Well, it would be fun to play both of those scenarios you describe.

But I'd stay with Miranda/Cerberus, if I could only choose one.

[CrutchCricket]

Spitfire017 wrote...
Im not saying that ME2 needs these changes or criticing ME2, just curious for what side you would choose if given a choice. And, this is a fanfic Iam talking about.

Well then I guess I'm saying I'm not a fan of either and would go my own way if I could.

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes mentioned that that's what happened, enayasoul, here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234

-Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. 

They exploded pretty violently, and there was certainly a sizable shockwave...

Shockwave wasn't destructive in nature like Arrival one was.

You can't say that, seeing as how we don't witness the shockwave beyond the bird's eye view of the galaxy at the end.

Now that I think about it, that bird's eye view bit was a bit stupid.

Modifié par o Ventus, 08 juin 2012 - 02:26 .

[Vertigo_1]

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes mentioned that that's what happened, enayasoul, here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234

-Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. 

They exploded pretty violently, and there was certainly a sizable shockwave...

Shockwave wasn't destructive in nature like Arrival one was.

You can't say that, seeing as how we don't witness the shockwave beyond the bird's eye view of the galaxy at the end.

Now that I think about it, that bird's eye view bit was a bit stupid.

No...but Weekes did...that was the point of my original post.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 08 juin 2012 - 02:32 .

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Weekes mentioned that that's what happened, enayasoul, here:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11154234

-Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed.
People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect. 

They exploded pretty violently, and there was certainly a sizable shockwave...

Shockwave wasn't destructive in nature like Arrival one was.

You can't say that, seeing as how we don't witness the shockwave beyond the bird's eye view of the galaxy at the end.

Now that I think about it, that bird's eye view bit was a bit stupid.

No...but Weekes did...that was the point of my original post.

I've learned to not trust anything any of the writers say at this point.

If the ending was supposedly written by Hudson and Walters without any peer review, why in the hell would Weekes know anything about it?

I've also seen tweets by Weekes saying how much he dislikes the ending, only to later read more tweets form him praising the ending.

My mind is ****ed.

[Skullheart]

It wasn't destructive because... ehhhhh.... mmmmm... mass effect fields.

[Vertigo_1]

o Ventus wrote...
I've learned to not trust anything any of the writers say at this point.

If the ending was supposedly written by Hudson and Walters without any peer review, why in the hell would Weekes know anything about it?

Because they got to play test the entire game before ship.

o Ventus wrote...
I've also seen tweets by Weekes saying how much he dislikes the ending, only to later read more tweets form him praising the ending.

My mind is ****ed.

He's never said that.  If he had there would be big drama here on BSN.

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Because they got to play test the entire game before ship.

That only half answers my question. Just because he play-tested it doesn't mean he knows what's going on in terms of the story outline, especially the parts he didn't write. Or the parts that went through editing without review.

He's never said that.  If he had there would be big drama here on BSN.

Then it was someone else.

Modifié par o Ventus, 08 juin 2012 - 03:08 .

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...
If the ending was supposedly written by Hudson and Walters without any peer review, why in the hell would Weekes know anything about it?

Well, they all saw the ending prior to the game's release. From some of what Weekes has said, his reaction was that he didn't really like it, but he didn't hate it. I'm sure they all talked it over, and, while they knew some people would not like the endings (Gamble said as much in an interview not long before the release of the game), they clearly didn't expect the reaction to be so overwhelmingly negative.

So, it's fairly plausible that fans interpreting the ending differently than they expected was a part of that. It's also possible that they are just backtracking because of how violent the reaction was, of course. Or a mixture of both.

[Dr. Doctor]

enayasoul wrote...

I have another... when the Reapers flop down on Earth and on other planets... Are we not still screwed because in ME2 it mentions, in the game, that even a dead reaper has the power to indoctrinate people around it!

Or will the Reaper really do become "dead" and no longer harm humanity and other races?  <_<

Harbinger: Shepard. Shepard I know you can still hear me.

Shepard: (groggy) Can't you just be dead?

Miranda (head resting on Shepard's chest) Did you say something?

Shepard: It's nothing.

Harbinger: This hurts you...

[o Ventus]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

I have another... when the Reapers flop down on Earth and on other planets... Are we not still screwed because in ME2 it mentions, in the game, that even a dead reaper has the power to indoctrinate people around it!

Or will the Reaper really do become "dead" and no longer harm humanity and other races?  <_<

Harbinger: Shepard. Shepard I know you can still hear me.

Shepard: (groggy) Can't you just be dead?

Miranda [/i][i](head resting on Shepard's chest) Did you say something?

Shepard: It's nothing.

Harbinger: This hurts you...

Ear plugs. Shepard needs them.

[fiendishchicken]

o Ventus wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

I have another... when the Reapers flop down on Earth and on other planets... Are we not still screwed because in ME2 it mentions, in the game, that even a dead reaper has the power to indoctrinate people around it!

Or will the Reaper really do become "dead" and no longer harm humanity and other races?  <_<

Harbinger: Shepard. Shepard I know you can still hear me.

Shepard: (groggy) Can't you just be dead?

Miranda [/i][i](head resting on Shepard's chest) Did you say something?

Shepard: It's nothing.

Harbinger: This hurts you...

Ear plugs. Shepard needs them.

Miranda: Oh Commander, let's make love!

Harbinger: I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!!! 

[Td1984]

"Dude. Harby, can Miranda and I please bang in peace? If you really want to have a conversation so badly, go and talk to some of your Reaper buddies."

[Ieldra]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...
I'm feeling pretty optimistic, actually. I trust Weekes, Gamble, and Ackland.
And the fact Gamble leads DLC, and stayed true to Miranda in ME3 is a big help to us.

Gamble isn't a writer though. Isn't Ackland in the UK, not Edmonton? what is he going to do?

And my faith in Weekes has wavered with his saying that he was surprised when people thought the relays killed everyone when they blew up.

I was surprised by that as well. My reaction: "No matter what Arrival implies, you can't *seriously* believe that you blew up the whole galaxy. That's just stupid."

[Ieldra]

enayasoul wrote...
I have another... when the Reapers flop down on Earth and on other planets... Are we not still screwed because in ME2 it mentions, in the game, that even a dead reaper has the power to indoctrinate people around it!

Or will the Reaper really do become "dead" and no longer harm humanity and other races?  <_<

That's just the same as with the "the galaxy is destroyed" scenario. It doesn't happen. Rationalize it one way or the other, the dead Reapers after Destroy won't indoctrinate anyone, even if it's only because there are no Reapers any more who could whisper into peoples' minds.

[Ieldra]

Td1984 wrote...
"Dude. Harby, can Miranda and I please bang in peace? If you really want to have a conversation so badly, go and talk to some of your Reaper buddies."

:lol:
Yup, sex with Miranda is more important than dealing with Reapers (not being serious, just in case anyone was wondering). 

In the same spirit:

@fiendishchicken:
I can totally believe that. The question is: assuming direct control of whom?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 juin 2012 - 08:14 .

[Ieldra]

@Spitfire017:
I would like it if such a scenario was possible, with Miranda becoming an antagonist if Shepard "defects" to the Alliance after ME2 Horizon. However, most of my Shepards wouldn't do that, since they became disillusioned with the Alliance and only Hackett holds some credit.

What I would like more is a scenario where Shepard defects to Cerberus in ME3, joining Miranda as she tries to curb the excesses while holding to the spirit of their stated goals (in the Cerberus manifesto), which of course, includes most prominently protecting humanity against the Reapers.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 08 juin 2012 - 08:26 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@fiendishchicken:
I can totally believe that. The question is: assuming direct control of whom?

Well, given some of Harbinger's lines in ME2 I'd say Miranda. Then again I have a horrible mind and chuckle when I hear Harbinger say "Preserve Shepard's body if possible", "Shepard if I must tear you apart I will", and "I know you feel this".