82204 réponses à ce sujet

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Do any of you Miranda fans think that because Ash seems to be the new Miranda in ME3, Miranda will just be a temp squaddie or cameo?

This is my fear
On the other hand I can say with almost 100% certainty she won't be back as cameo...no way.  She is too important to the story (Cerberus) to be reduced to that type of role.

They need to bring back at least one ME2 exclusive squadmate as permanent instead of just the team from ME1 IMO

This can't be repeated often enough. Miranda has more story potential than Garrus, Ashley and Kaidan, even more than Tali. Of the ME1 team only Liara has more. And I'd bet that Miranda is alive in more games than Garrus and Tali, and romanced more (yes, even more than Tali I think).
Also if Miranda and the rest of the ME2 team gets sidelined, it will reinforce the already prevalent impression that there was no point to ME2.

As for Ashley being the new Miranda - appearances are appearances, but they're too different in personality to ever be able to substitute one another. It would be hugely annoying to be stuck with the one whose personality I like less for the whole game (not that I dislike Ash - she only falls far short of Miranda)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 juin 2011 - 08:56 .

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for Ashley being the new Miranda - appearances are appearances, but they're too different in personality to ever be able to substitute one another. It would be hugely annoying to be stuck with the one whose personality I like less for the whole game (not that I dislike Ash - she only falls far short of Miranda)

Well hopefully they keep them apart in terms of personalities
I'm not too sure right now only because the writer for Ashley left after ME2 was released.

[ViSeiRa]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Do any of you Miranda fans think that because Ash seems to be the new Miranda in ME3, Miranda will just be a temp squaddie or cameo?

This is my fear
On the other hand I can say with almost 100% certainty she won't be back as cameo...no way.  She is too important to the story (Cerberus) to be reduced to that type of role.

They need to bring back at least one ME2 exclusive squadmate as permanent instead of just the team from ME1 IMO

We can safely assume no one is getting the Horizone treatment in ME3, but even Wrex's style of cameos isn't acceptable in Miranda's case, when we think about squadmates that have lesser ties to the main plot than Miranda then in this case it'll be almost all the confirmed ME3 squadmates.

From where I see it, Cerberus can't be the main enemy for the entire game, because we need the story to really focus on the reapers at least for the last half of the game, so Miranda can do her own thing for the first half of the game, Cerberus is dogging us, we fight them everywhere and finally we get an anonymous tip on where to find TIM, we go there guns blazing, find Miranda there, either fighting her way through or captured but not before she could send her message to us, and we recruit her right there... afterwards they might tie in her father with the plot in a way to make her use his money and resources to build a new "Cerberus" that has new goals and new methods and so on, it'd make for an interesting development path both story-wise and character-wise.

Modifié par ViSeirA, 16 juin 2011 - 09:22 .

[Ashton808]

Of course Miranda is romanced the most.

What kind of argument is that?

[GuitarShredUK]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
As for Ashley being the new Miranda - appearances are appearances, but they're too different in personality to ever be able to substitute one another. It would be hugely annoying to be stuck with the one whose personality I like less for the whole game (not that I dislike Ash - she only falls far short of Miranda)

Well hopefully they keep them apart in terms of personalities
I'm not too sure right now only because the writer for Ashley left after ME2 was released.

@Ieldra: part of me is almost glad that we have two strong female personalities that are almost at loggerheads to each other (in Miranda and Ash) - I'm actually keen for them both to clash, to see whether the close environment of the Normandy leads to some interesting encounters or at the very least some regular back and forth squad banter.

For example, how Ash reacts to having an (ex?) member of a pro-human organisation working with Shepard and the crew, and whether Miri gets riled or not by Ash's comments about other aliens - or whether she's (Ash) has changed her outlook at all from ME1. Then again - Ash hated Shepard for being with Cerberus in ME2, as in they take things too far even for her views/beliefs. Ah the possibilities...even worse if Shep left Ash for Miri in ME1/2 so they're both LIs 

[jbblue05]

Ieldra2 wrote...

This can't be repeated often enough. Miranda has more story potential than Garrus, Ashley and Kaidan, even more than Tali. Of the ME1 team only Liara has more. And I'd bet that Miranda is alive in more games than Garrus and Tali, and romanced more (yes, even more than Tali I think).
Also if Miranda and the rest of the ME2 team gets sidelined, it will reinforce the already prevalent impression that there was no point to ME2.

As for Ashley being the new Miranda - appearances are appearances, but they're too different in personality to ever be able to substitute one another. It would be hugely annoying to be stuck with the one whose personality I like less for the whole game (not that I dislike Ash - she only falls far short of Miranda)

I agree I don't see what Ash/Kaidan can add to the main plot besides being Shepard's replacement as spectre.
I can't stand Garrus and Tali, they have no political pull with their own species they are on your squad because their fan favorites.

Liara annoys the hell out of me but she is important. I think Liara is a Cerberus mole, because I believe TIM planned for her to be the SB and be an information broker on Ilium.

I would like to see Ash and Miranda on the same squad,  I think they would have the best rivalry banterout of all the squaddies

[Vertigo_1]

jbblue05 wrote...
I would like to see Ash and Miranda on the same squad,  I think they would have the best rivalry banterout of all the squaddies

The evil side of me wants to see this
And I romanced Ash in ME1 and Miranda in ME2
I wonder what they would say?

[alperez]

Ieldra2 wrote...



They need to bring back at least one ME2 exclusive squadmate as permanent instead of just the team from ME1 IMO

This can't be repeated often enough. Miranda has more story potential than Garrus, Ashley and Kaidan, even more than Tali. Of the ME1 team only Liara has more. And I'd bet that Miranda is alive in more games than Garrus and Tali, and romanced more (yes, even more than Tali I think).
Also if Miranda and the rest of the ME2 team gets sidelined, it will reinforce the already prevalent impression that there was no point to ME2.

As for Ashley being the new Miranda - appearances are appearances, but they're too different in personality to ever be able to substitute one another. It would be hugely annoying to be stuck with the one whose personality I like less for the whole game (not that I dislike Ash - she only falls far short of Miranda)

While i agree that Miranda has more story potential than Some of the returns i kinda disagree in regard to Ash/Kaiden and Tali. Ash/Kaiden will be our real link to the alliance as Miranda/jacob were to cerberus in me2 so they will have at least the same story potential imo, Tali will more than likely play a large role in how we handle the quarian/geth conflict so again at least as important.

Garrus as much as i like him i just don't see much story potential there other than the bromance he's been with you from the get go thing, Liara i agree has big storyline potential (maybe the biggest of all the squadmates).

Miranda's storyline potential and Li status though maker her the most important me2 specific character and make her equal or above to some of the returns we know about, if she isn't a full squadmate then what chance any other me2 specific character, i'd say none. Which really does make a mockery of me2 and i'm not sure if bioware will survive the backlash (me2 becomes as you say increasingly pointless).

The Miranda/Ash comparison is at first look just appearances and i agree completely that there personalities are completely different, but again i fear first look might not be wrong this time. We could be getting a made over Ash in more than just appearances this time round, (i hope not but it wouldn't surprise me).

Lastly one thing i've been considering is if as i fear Miranda is not a full squadmate how would they implement the romance and character arc.

So for example we get a reappearance, a temp squadmate role and then what, the only thing i see that might work would be this.

We try to find some of our me2 crew during the events of me3, but situations prevent us from doing so right from the start (namely being hunted by reapers, distress calls we must answer and so forth), we then find cerberus attacking us and try to figure out whats going on. As we try to determing what cerberus is up we of course look for Miranda and are unable to find her.

So we continue, gather clues and eventually figure out where she is/or where she's being held hostage, we reunite/free her and take down cerberus, reinstigate our romance only for Miranda to need to leave to help Oriana.Then at a later point in events Miranda returns, we now have our LI confrontation if needed or our resolution of romance moment and perhaps we get to bring whoever we want on the final mission (ala the human reaper at the collector base).

I hope i'm wrong but i think thats what we'll get and who knows maybe bioware will pull it out of the bag and it'll turn out more emotionally and character wise satisfying.

Modifié par alperez, 16 juin 2011 - 10:51 .

[jtav]

naledgeborn wrote...

Like jtav I want (consequences and all) to see what a Miranda/Liara rivalry would look like. They already knew each other on a professional level since "Redemption". I'm anxious to see how that will play out. Hopefully the option to break things off with Liara in LotSB is carried over to ME3. But if it isn't things will get interesting.

Actually I said just the opposite. I don't want to see that rivalry. One: I value their tentative friendship. Two: I have a really hard time conceiving of a version of events that doesn't make Miranda wholly  unsympathetic. It gives her an air of pettiness I dislike. The only way I'd put up with it is if it did turn into a trio and they won't pander that much.

And yes, I realize the irony in having no problems with her committing war crimes, but drawing the line at stealing boyfriends.

[TheMarshal]

jtav wrote...

Actually I said just the opposite. I don't want to see that rivalry. One: I value their tentative friendship. Two: I have a really hard time conceiving of a version of events that doesn't make Miranda wholly  unsympathetic. It gives her an air of pettiness I dislike. The only way I'd put up with it is if it did turn into a trio and they won't pander that much.

And yes, I realize the irony in having no problems with her committing war crimes, but drawing the line at stealing boyfriends.

A girl's gotta have standards... 

[MisterJB]

No offence, jtav, but I think you are blowing the entire situation out of proportions.
Miranda did not steal Shepard, he activelly pursued a relationship with her and Liara is partially to blame for it. Now, I admit I am biased but I think Miranda is actually quite sympathetic.
She developed very strong feelings for Shepard which is rare for her ("I don't know what this is...") and Shepard reciprocated. However, doubts must have always been eating at her, wondering what would happen if she told Shepard the truth. In the end, she decided not to, probrably because she feared loosing Shepard and it was a suicide mission, after all.

At worst, this makes her selfish but, after dedicating so much of her life to others, wether it be Oriana or the Human race, I find this very easy to forgive.
We do agree on one thing, tough, Miranda and Liara striking up a friendship in ME3 would be ideal.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 juin 2011 - 12:11 .

[TheMarshal]

MisterJB wrote...

No offence, jtav, but I think you are blowing the entire situation out of proportions.
Miranda did not steal Shepard, he activelly pursued a relationship with her and Liara is partially to blame for it. Now, I admit I am biased but I think Miranda is actually quite sympathetic.
She developed very strong feelings for Shepard which is rare for her ("I don't know what this is...") and Shepard reciprocated. However, doubts must have always been eating at her, wondering what would happen if she told Shepard the truth. In the end, she decided not to, probrably because she feared loosing Shepard and it was a suicide mission, after all.

At worst, this makes her selfish but, after dedicating so much of her life to others, wether it be Oriana or the Human race, I find this very easy to forgive.
We do agree on one thing, tough, Miranda and Liara striking up a friendship in ME3 would be ideal.

But if one of the key reasons that Shepard broke it off with Liara was because of Liara's stand-offishness - which Miranda knew the cause of, and didn't say anything to Shepard about - it would make her a teensy bit slimy...

[jtav]

What TheMarshal said. Complaints about Liara's standoffishness were the complaint I heard most often. Miranda can put that to rest, but chooses not to. It's one thing when it's just orders, but sleeping with him leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[goofyomnivore]

I assume you're talking about the Illium cameo? Would Shepard even believe Miranda if she told him before Liara? Especially one involved with Liara? I think Miranda would of liked to explain it, but really it is best to hear it from Liara.

As for Miranda swooping in post Illium on a confused Shepard who romanced Liara. I don't think that holds water.

Modifié par strive, 17 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[SuperBot]

Ashton808
Of course Miranda is romanced the most.
What kind of argument is that?

http://social.biowar...04/polls/18978/
http://social.biowar...362/polls/3585/
http://social.biowar...30/polls/21122/
http://social.biowar...85/polls/21039/
http://social.biowar...98/polls/21014/
http://social.biowar...07/polls/20339/
http://social.biowar...69/polls/19862/

[TheMarshal]

strive wrote...

I assume you're talking about the Illium cameo? Would Shepard even believe Miranda if she told him before Liara? Especially one involved with Liara? I think Miranda would of liked to explain it, but really it is best to hear it from Liara.

As for Miranda swooping in post Illium on a confused Shepard who romanced Liara. I don't think that holds water.

I wouldn't call it 'swooping in', nor would I necessarily consider Shepard to be confused.  Personally, as someone who romanced Liara, I was distraught after the Illium cameo, so I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to think that other Shepards felt the same way.  If Miranda knew about their romance, knew why Liara was being stand-offish, didn't say anything about it, and welcomed the advances of an upset Shepard, then I'd say she was behaving a little cruelly.

I don't know that there would have been a "good" time to tell Shepard about Liara, and it's entirely possible that she kept it quiet "for the sake of the mission" and all that.  Hell, I wrote a story that explored that very thing.  But in that story, Miranda wasn't simultaneously withholding information from Shepard while trying to build a romance.  ::shrug::

[goofyomnivore]

TheMarshal wrote...

I wouldn't call it 'swooping in', nor would I necessarily consider Shepard to be confused.  Personally, as someone who romanced Liara, I was distraught after the Illium cameo, so I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to think that other Shepards felt the same way.  If Miranda knew about their romance, knew why Liara was being stand-offish, didn't say anything about it, and welcomed the advances of an upset Shepard, then I'd say she was behaving a little cruelly.

I don't know that there would have been a "good" time to tell Shepard about Liara, and it's entirely possible that she kept it quiet "for the sake of the mission" and all that.  Hell, I wrote a story that explored that very thing.  But in that story, Miranda wasn't simultaneously withholding information from Shepard while trying to build a romance.  ::shrug::

What is there to say after Illium? Liara pretty much gives Shepard the jist of it. She even shows her doubt, remorse, and love. She says she can't be with you on the Normandy because she has to make this right. Not only for Shepard, for her friend, and for herself. My first ME2 run through was with my Shepard who romanced Liara. I felt upset about her not wanting to come with me and her personality shift. I felt like she was changing for the worst from a horrible experience, but after I had done some missions and thought about it a little longer. I respected and admired what she was doing. She was taking responsibility for her actions and striving to correct them.

Miranda was in a no win situation about revealing Liara's involvement. As Shepard I'm pissed off she didn't tell me, but from her perspective, I can see why she didn't do it, and I don't think she would of done it for romantic purposes.

If you do the Miranda romance before talking to Liara. I would agree 100%. That would be very low of her if she didn't say what Liara did for you. But then you gotta consider the writing. They can't write every scenerio. I believe after Illium it is soloy on Shepard. Just like if Shepard moves on to Tali, Garrus, or whoever.

edit; Hopefully with all the money from ME3, BioWare can make better forum formatting..

Modifié par strive, 17 juin 2011 - 03:07 .

[TheMarshal]

I keep forgetting that not everyone RP's the Illium cameo the way I do (where Liara doesn't reveal her involvement in recovering Shepard's corpse).

And yes, I would love some serious updating of the forum mechanics...

[S.A.K]

Miranda isn't as popular as I thought she was
http://www.gamefaqs....3300258?page=11
http://masseffect.g3.../mass-effect-2/
but then again Miranda IS more popular than Ashly! so if Bioware really take popularity into consideration Miranda will get a big role. As for Tali I think bioware always intended to make her a squad mate in ME3(they made her Tali'Zohra vas Normandy as well as giving her something important with the Dark Energy theory and the Geth). And as this is the final chapter every major character should be given an important part or the fans will be mad(even Jacob got some fans)

[Rawke]

S.A.K wrote...

Miranda isn't as popular as I thought she was
http://www.gamefaqs....3300258?page=11
http://masseffect.g3.../mass-effect-2/
but then again Miranda IS more popular than Ashly! so if Bioware really take popularity into consideration Miranda will get a big role. As for Tali I think bioware always intended to make her a squad mate in ME3(they made her Tali'Zohra vas Normandy as well as giving her something important with the Dark Energy theory and the Geth). And as this is the final chapter every major character should be given an important part or the fans will be mad(even Jacob got some fans)

What do you mean "not as popular"? 

In both polls she's in the top 3. And I personally think that talimancers are just a whole new kind of crazy/fanatic fans. I guess many SciFi geeks only see alien girl > human woman. Tali's practically jailbait. Kinda. It just seems wrong.

[Errol Dnamyx]

Tali is popular with the forum population.
With everyone else, not so much.

Personally, I'm happy that I'm not going to see her again in my ME3.

[Ieldra]

Ashton808 wrote...
Of course Miranda is romanced the most.

What kind of argument is that?

There's no "of course" about it. Here on BSN and generally among the gaming nerds, Tali appears to be the favorite by a big margin. More polls favor her than Miranda, and the occasional poll favoring Miranda is probably an outlier. Among the general population of players, Miranda appears to be the favorite, but this is supported only by one known poll, though it is a big one and very likely more representative than all the polls made here.

S.A.K wrote...

Miranda isn't as popular as I thought she was

http://www.gamefaqs....3300258?page=11

A poll with 50 participants can be discounted as a local phenomenon.

I think what we can say with confidence is that Miranda is at least the second most popular LI character. That might or might not earn her a more prominent role in ME3. There are other factors than story potential and popularity, such as developer preferences. I can think of some others but won't mention them here. I suspect the decisions at Bioware are all made, but even so I don't want to give anyone influential who might read this ideas, in the unlikely case it hasn't occurred to them.   

[mereck7980]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ashton808 wrote...
Of course Miranda is romanced the most.

What kind of argument is that?

There's no "of course" about it. Here on BSN and generally among the gaming nerds, Tali appears to be the favorite by a big margin. More polls favor her than Miranda, and the occasional poll favoring Miranda is probably an outlier. Among the general population of players, Miranda appears to be the favorite, but this is supported only by one known poll, though it is a big one and very likely more representative than all the polls made here.

While it might not be common knowledge among the gaming public BW knows which character was romanced the most and used the most in combat.  I don't have a source but I am pretty sure I have read an interview with someone on the dev team that confirmed that BW's internal data showed Miranda as the most popular overall.  You gotta love all the "hooks" developers add to games nowadays so they can learn details like this. 

[Ieldra]

mereck7980 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ashton808 wrote...
Of course Miranda is romanced the most.

What kind of argument is that?

There's no "of course" about it. Here on BSN and generally among the gaming nerds, Tali appears to be the favorite by a big margin. More polls favor her than Miranda, and the occasional poll favoring Miranda is probably an outlier. Among the general population of players, Miranda appears to be the favorite, but this is supported only by one known poll, though it is a big one and very likely more representative than all the polls made here.

While it might not be common knowledge among the gaming public BW knows which character was romanced the most and used the most in combat.  I don't have a source but I am pretty sure I have read an interview with someone on the dev team that confirmed that BW's internal data showed Miranda as the most popular overall.  You gotta love all the "hooks" developers add to games nowadays so they can learn details like this. 

Yes. Initially I made the mistake of disabling game feedback as I usually disable every functionality in a software that sends "feedback" (I usually call it "surveillance") data back to someone, until I realized I *want* Bioware to know about my gaming preferences.

I've heard of that interview too but I haven't got a source either, so I couldn't use it as supporting evidence.

[S.A.K]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Tali is popular with the forum population.
With everyone else, not so much.

Personally, I'm happy that I'm not going to see her again in my ME3.

I never get any squad mate killed even if I dislike them(well I don't like Jack). Getting someone killed I think is a stupid thing to do. This is a game and you don't know what you'll miss if you do that.
http://www.gameinfor...ing-garrus.aspx
well they seem to know who's most popular and I remember Chris Priestly commenting in the Tali thread about her popularity. If anyone know a like talking about Miranda's popularity please post it

Modifié par S.A.K, 17 juin 2011 - 06:26 .