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[hot_heart]

Oh, man, now I get what jtav was saying. The 'rejection right before the Omega 4 Relay' video that I saw before had a very different reaction. I wonder why...

www.youtube.com/watch
Daaaaaayumn.

With Cerberus, I think they just kinda flip-flopped on the idea.
ME1 had them as a bunch of evil bastards, then ME2 went to great lengths to soften that and present a more complex picture. ME3 simplifed things by turning them back into evil space bastards, undermined the efforts of ME2 but, at the same time, also exposed the darker side to all the other council races.

Modifié par hot_heart, 09 juin 2012 - 11:24 .

[dtrain24]

lillitheris wrote...
Anyway, I’ve taken enough of your time. You’re wedded to the idea that Cerberus is really just a pretty cool but misunderstood outfit, I’m not.

Here are my thoughts:
I think Cerberus has the potential to be a good organization. The way TIM ran it though was what made it an evil organization though.
As Shepard said, "Cerberus was supposed to be Humanity's sword, not a dagger behind its back." or something along those lines.
In our #FindMiranda campaign, we're pushing for the idea where she reforms Cerberus with the possible help of Shepard so it becomes a better resemblence of humanity.
In a nutshell, Cerberus is the right idea with the wrong methods. Not misunderstood.

[Lawrence0294]

Mmmm...the lack of Miranda picture is....unsettling 

Modifié par kratos0294, 10 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[dtrain24]

kratos0294 wrote...

Mmmm...the lack of Miranda picture is....unsettling 

Agreed.
http://t3.gstatic.co...yG1_bElf4soGCJA

[ripslip]

hot_heart wrote...
www.youtube.com/watch
Daaaaaayumn.

The camera pan on "no matter what you have to give up in the process" cracks me up every time. I'm such a child.

[Oldbones2]

MisterJB wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
(And, again, you would have to actually perform the coup inside Cerberus before trying to do this even became an option. But beyond all this, I don’t see what the big payoff is from Cerberus if you disregard their Reaper tech advancements?)

Well, Miranda fans tend to believe that the Alliance is a blunt object and nothing else. Too slowed down by bureaucracies as well as the responsability of being the face of humanity to actually protect it and serve its advancement and so, we like the idea of the human race having its own Special Tasks Groups.
Much like Ashley fans tend to be Alliance loyalists and Jack fans like Omega.

Ironically I went in to ME 2 (my main is a sole survivor with Ashley romance) as a Cerberus hater.  Romanced Miranda, and while I accepted her, I couldn't get behind an organization that did the things Cerberus did.

It wasn't until ME 3, that I recognized that Miranda (and to an extent, even the Illusive Man) were right all along.  Every species cheats, every species is looking out for number 1.  Asari horde prothean tech, Salarians perform covert uplifts in violation of council edicts and the Turians clearly want to conquer the galaxy and make everyone a client race.

The point is, Humanity needs an advocate.  A knife in the dark.  Someone to do the bad things that heroes can't or won't do.  And Cerberus, as bad as they are, was our advocate.

I still believe in the Alliance, but to survive, humanity needs Cerberus.  I can't say I'd support it, but post ME3, I'm convinced we need it.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch
Daaaaaayumn.

Yeah, really. Sheesh

hot_heart wrote...
With Cerberus, I think they just kinda flip-flopped on the idea.
ME1 had them as a bunch of evil bastards, then ME2 went to great lengths to soften that and present a more complex picture. ME3 simplifed things by turning them back into evil space bastards, undermined the efforts of ME2 but, at the same time, also exposed the darker side to all the other council races.

I think that's true. And of course there's no right and wrong answer to these things. At the end of the day, I think it does a disservice to the series, though, to not take what we saw in ME2 into account in a more substantial way during the finale.

ME2 is probably going to go down as the best ME game (at least of the trilogy), yet ME3 basically tries to pretend it was all a sham. Of course, I guess it's possible that one reason why it's the best is that it wasn't part of the original *plan*, so to speak, and so it has the most freedom.

Modifié par flemm, 10 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[dtrain24]

Can someone please link me the soundtrack of the tension music that plays in the confrontation between Miranda and Henry?

[ripslip]

flemm wrote...
ME2 is probably going to go down as the best ME game (at least of the trilogy), yet ME3 basically tries to pretend it was all a sham. Of course, I guess it's possible that one reason why it's the best is that it wasn't part of the original *plan*, so to speak, and so it has the most freedom.

I hate how ME3 basically made ME2 filler. No collectors, no harby, no complex Cerberus, Miranda/Jack/Thane/Samara/Jacob all with limited roles... Players can go from 1 to 3, skipping 2, and not really miss anything other than character development. But I guess that's what they were going for, with it being a perfect starting point for newcomers and all.

Modifié par ripslip, 10 juin 2012 - 04:46 .

[Dr. Doctor]

hot_heart wrote...

Oh, man, now I get what jtav was saying. The 'rejection right before the Omega 4 Relay' video that I saw before had a very different reaction. I wonder why...

www.youtube.com/watch
Daaaaaayumn.

And the best part is that scene doesn't unflag the romance.

[fiendishchicken]

ripslip wrote...

flemm wrote...
ME2 is probably going to go down as the best ME game (at least of the trilogy), yet ME3 basically tries to pretend it was all a sham. Of course, I guess it's possible that one reason why it's the best is that it wasn't part of the original *plan*, so to speak, and so it has the most freedom.

I hate how ME3 basically made ME2 filler. No collectors, no harby, no complex Cerberus, Miranda/Jack/Thane/Samara/Jacob all with limited roles... Players can go from 1 to 3, skipping 2, and not really miss anything other than character development. But I guess that's what they were going for, with it being a perfect starting point for newcomers and all.

I hate that whole "cater to the new guys" scheme of theirs. Why does EA and BioWare have to have the same number of fans as say CoD or Halo (mind you I love Halo, any fans please don't take offense). I played 1 game on ME3 as a new game with no imports, and found so much stuff that wouldn't make sense to new gamers. There;s also no tutorial at all along with a list of other technical stuff that kind of makes the game seem unusual to new players. This game should have been made with the fans in mind, not the bottom line.

[Lawrence0294]

dtrain24 wrote...

Can someone please link me the soundtrack of the tension music that plays in the confrontation between Miranda and Henry?

Here you go, it starts at 1m 32:
 

[ripslip]

fiendishchicken wrote...

I hate that whole "cater to the new guys" scheme of theirs. Why does EA and BioWare have to have the same number of fans as say CoD or Halo (mind you I love Halo, any fans please don't take offense). I played 1 game on ME3 as a new game with no imports, and found so much stuff that wouldn't make sense to new gamers. There;s also no tutorial at all along with a list of other technical stuff that kind of makes the game seem unusual to new players. This game should have been made with the fans in mind, not the bottom line.

I don't have a problem with wanting to bring new players in. More money = more awesome games for me. They just went about it in an awful way.

First, they took away or changed a lot of the things (too much auto-dialogue, no neutral option, not a lot of side quests, lack of rpg elements, etc.) that made people fall in love with the series in the first place.

Secondly, they underestimated the intelligence of new players. You don't have to cater to them or blatantly spell things out for them to figure out what is going on. If someone is buying an RPG that is the last in a series without playing the previous iterations, then it's either the type of player who will a)read the codex or b)bought it for gameplay/MP.

As a result of the first 2, they ended up insulting the veteran players. Fun stuff.

[Ieldra]

ripslip wrote...
Secondly, they underestimated the intelligence of new players. You don't have to cater to them or blatantly spell things out for them to figure out what is going on. If someone is buying an RPG that is the last in a series without playing the previous iterations, then it's either the type of player who will a)read the codex or b)bought it for gameplay/MP.

As a result of the first 2, they ended up insulting the veteran players. Fun stuff.

Yeah. The more you know about the ME universe, the less the ending makes sense. This thing about presenting the organic/synthetic conflict as inevitable right after people made peace between the quarians and the geth? Incomprehensible. If there was a reason why that didn't count, they absolutely had to present it to keep the story coherent.
Also I wonder.....did they react to some morons' comments on the leaked script version - which made sense - and simplified it?

Hmm...ironically, they did the same with the ending as they did with Miranda: remove complexities, damaging the whole. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 10 juin 2012 - 10:57 .

[hot_heart]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
And the best part is that scene doesn't unflag the romance.

Ha, really? Nice!

[fiendishchicken]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ripslip wrote...
Secondly, they underestimated the intelligence of new players. You don't have to cater to them or blatantly spell things out for them to figure out what is going on. If someone is buying an RPG that is the last in a series without playing the previous iterations, then it's either the type of player who will a)read the codex or b)bought it for gameplay/MP.

As a result of the first 2, they ended up insulting the veteran players. Fun stuff.

Yeah. The more you know about the ME universe, the less the ending makes sense. This thing about presenting the organic/synthetic conflict as inevitable right after people made peace between the quarians and the geth? Incomprehensible. If there was a reason why that didn't count, they absolutely had to present it to keep the story coherent.
Also I wonder.....did they react to some morons' comments on the leaked script version - which made sense - and simplified it?

Hmm...ironically, they did the same with the ending as they did with Miranda: remove complexities, damaging the whole. 

Even the codex for ME3 seemed lacking. On my 5th playthrough now and I keep seeing bugs and problems that only become more apparent with each one. And each playthrough I do I see more and more details that point to underdeveloped for time reasons or developer laziness. Mass Effect 3 feels so unfinished and rough: Even though it's an over 35+ hour game, I always feel like wait THAT'S it? There's not more? And I don't consider the ending a real ending. It's more of a sudden stopping point, with the absolute bare minimum of exposition and conclusion tacked on. 

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 10 juin 2012 - 02:29 .

[flemm]

fiendishchicken wrote...
It's more of a sudden stopping point, with the absolute bare minimum of exposition and conclusion tacked on. 

I pretty much agree, yeah. The game might as well crash to desktop automatically after the squad member farewells.

It would be more merciful and less irritating

[fiendishchicken]

kratos0294 wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Can someone please link me the soundtrack of the tension music that plays in the confrontation between Miranda and Henry?

Here you go, it starts at 1m 32:
 

You know what really sucks? They don't have half the music in the game on the ME3 soundtrack. I have the CE soundtrack with the two bonus themes and I still barely have anything from the game. Another way to make money I suppose. Leave off the music from the soundtrack then put it into a different package (eg. 'atmosphere') where goons like me will buy it.

[Aliqaiser]

Don't know why.... Whenever I listen to "burn it down" from linkin park. It reminds me of ME3's ending and the situation of Miri being away from Shepard During the ending.

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 10 juin 2012 - 03:36 .

[Lawrence0294]

fiendishchicken wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Can someone please link me the soundtrack of the tension music that plays in the confrontation between Miranda and Henry?

Here you go, it starts at 1m 32:
 

You know what really sucks? They don't have half the music in the game on the ME3 soundtrack. I have the CE soundtrack with the two bonus themes and I still barely have anything from the game. Another way to make money I suppose. Leave off the music from the soundtrack then put it into a different package (eg. 'atmosphere') where goons like me will buy it.

I agree, i too have the CE and the soundtrack only scratches the surface. You should look into the channel of the guy i just linked. He uploaded all the soundtrack.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

flemm wrote...
You have to introduce the idea that the side of Cerberus we see in ME2 was just a "front" intended to fool Shepard. But that's basically a retcon.

Isn't that what the logs on Cronos try to assert though?

God, that was so cringeworthy.

Didn't see this previously, but yeah, that's what I was referring to.

It's kind of... dumb. I don't mean that in a snarky way. It's just silly, I think, to basically try to retcon a great game (probably the best of the series) into something it clearly wasn't.

[dtrain24]

kratos0294 wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Can someone please link me the soundtrack of the tension music that plays in the confrontation between Miranda and Henry?

Here you go, it starts at 1m 32:
 

Thanks, man!

[Volandrius]

 Sup guys, I barely come in here anymore but just wanted to drop by because this was just posted to the Mass Effect reddit page and thought it was pretty good.


and source: 
http://zoedemar.devi...randa-301562139

Modifié par Volandrius, 10 juin 2012 - 05:45 .

[jtav]

Nice!

[flemm]

Very nice, thanks for posting ;-)