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[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Really? If I was a turian, I would relish at the tought. The humans crush the batarians thus creating more room in the galaxy while, at the same time, suffering great losses thus reducing the threat posed by one of our strongest competitors.

Humanity is still a council race, the batarians are not. Humans would probably demand support. I don't see the other races that eager to oblige.

Well the turians might... And who says they're all like Saren?

[t3HPrO]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I do think that Shepard being under Alliance jurisdiction (Despite being a Spectre) is completely stupid, and is a poor excuse for getting the old crew off the ship.

Definitely. And even with your quote in parenthesis, that furthers why he shouldn't be in Alliance custody.  As a Spectre, he can tell them to cram it.
I'm not sure how a hearing with the Council would have gone though. Would they have finally trusted Shepard and deemed his actions necessary?

Probably the same as an all-Alliance hearing would have gone.

"You killed a bunch of batarians!"

"But I had to.

"But you killed a bunch of batarians! We're keeping you here on Earth!"

"But I... Wait, what? Why am I confined here?"

"Well we can't rightly keep your crew of developed and critically acclaimed characters here with you, can we?"

Depends on the species....turian.

And by that, I mean the Council would probably force Liara down our throats.
Council- "Shepard, we will allow you to maintain contact with one crew member."
Shep- "In that case, I choose Miranda Law-"
Council- "Oh no, you don't get to choose. Dr. T'Soni, you'll keep an eye on Shepard, as you're the new Shadow Broker."
Liara- "Hnng!"
Shepard- Oh good God.

[dtrain24]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Wow, Brent Knowles just became my idol. I'm glad he left BioWare, that company will never be the same again after falling under the rEApers control.

Going through deviantart I found this pic of Miranda's armor and I really wished she wore something like that on Horizon:

Me gusta. That would have been a great design for Miranda in ME3.
Instead, we got "She'll wear the same exact outfit, with the Ceberus patch removed. That will fool the Cerberus assassins!"

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Really? If I was a turian, I would relish at the tought. The humans crush the batarians thus creating more room in the galaxy while, at the same time, suffering great losses thus reducing the threat posed by one of our strongest competitors.

Humanity is still a council race, the batarians are not. Humans would probably demand support. I don't see the other races that eager to oblige.

Well the turians might... And who says they're all like Saren?

Saren? Well, they are people.

dtrain24 wrote...
Me gusta. That would have been a great design for Miranda in ME3.
Instead, we got "She'll wear the same exact outfit, with the Ceberus patch removed. That will fool the Cerberus assassins!"

The thing is, they ARE smarter than that. Kelly Chambers changed her name and appearance to fool Cerberus.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Saren? Well, they are people.

But not all of them as as human hating as Saren was or still bear a grudge for the First Contact War. So I don't think turian opinion overall would be in favor of humans fighting a costly war. They might be in favor of fighting in a war but I'm wondering if that's too simplistic. Militaristic does not necessarily mean warmongering.

The thing is, they ARE smarter than that. Kelly Chambers changed her name and appearance to fool Cerberus.

Yes but apparently Kelly's not smart enough to do that unless you tell her. I nominate her for most idiotic death ever.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 11 juin 2012 - 05:44 .

[Skullheart]

Thinking something...

- Shepard used a cover during Kasumi's LM in ME2.
- TIM didn't use his identity as Jack Harper again after creating Cerberus.
- Thane used a fake name in the hospital in ME3.
- Kelly can change her name to hide from Cerberus.

So,at least the excuse of writers from bw know about the need of cover/fake identities. With things like that, and Miranda not using a fake surname after she ran away from her father, not to mention the need of fake identities in her line of work, is she stupid or what? or walters and jay w didn't have enough time to think that?

edited to not sound so offensive :innocent:

Modifié par Skullheart, 11 juin 2012 - 05:54 .

[MisterJB]

Skullheart wrote...

Thinking something...

- Shepard used a cover during Kasumi's LM in ME2.
- TIM didn't use his identity as Jack Harper again after creating Cerberus.
- Thane used a fake name in the hospital in ME3.
- Kelly can change her name to hide from Cerberus.

So,at least the chimps from bw know about the need of cover/fake identities. With things like that, and Miranda not using a fake surname after she ran away from her father, not to mention the need of fake identities in her line of work, is she stupid or what? or walters and jay w didn't have enough brain to think that?

Skull, please avoid using terms like "chimps".
Your point is a valid one but questioning the intelligence of the writers only disencourages them from engaging in dialogue with us.

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...

Thinking something...

- Shepard used a cover during Kasumi's LM in ME2.
- TIM didn't use his identity as Jack Harper again after creating Cerberus.
- Thane used a fake name in the hospital in ME3.
- Kelly can change her name to hide from Cerberus.

So,at least the chimps from bw know about the need of cover/fake identities. With things like that, and Miranda not using a fake surname after she ran away from her father, not to mention the need of fake identities in her line of work, is she stupid or what? or walters and jay w didn't have enough brain to think that?

Wow, really? Is there like a weekly quota for bringing this up that I'm not aware of?

-It was an infiltration mission. Cover needed.
-TIM using the moniker the Alliance gave him likely had symbolic reasons behind it (i.e. ceasing to become an individual and instead embodying an idea. Fat lot of good it would've done the Alliance to know his real name anyway)
-A wanted hitman staying at the Citadel? Cover needed.
-Kelly's a fugitive and Cerberus is actively looking for her. Especially since she was TIM's spy and deserted. Why she doesn't think of a name change on her own is indeed moronic.

Miranda working for Cerberus, an organization that could protect her from her father, who knew where she was and couldn't do **** about it?- Cover not needed, not for Cerberus itself. You'd be naive if you assume she never used a cover name for previous assignments or even for assets outside Cerberus.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
But not all of them as as human hating as Saren was or still bear a grudge for the First Contact War. So I don't think turian opinion overall would be in favor of humans fighting a costly war. They might be in favor of fighting in a war but I'm wondering if that's too simplistic. Militaristic does not necessarily mean warmongering.

I don't understand what you mean. Their competition, humanity, being involved in a war is good for them.

Yes but apparently Kelly's not smart enough to do that unless you tell her. I nominate her for most idiotic death ever.

I love it! It's hilarious!
"Excuse me, are you Kelly Chambers?
Why, yes. You completely trusthworthy person."

[Skullheart]

her only known "cover name" is LawbringerSR2. And in redemption and galaxy she used her real name.Lawson should be a fake surname, having the surname of the richest man in the galaxy might not be a good thing as an operative.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
I don't understand what you mean. Their competition, humanity, being involved in a war is good for them.

How are they the competition, any more than the other races?

I love it! It's hilarious!
"Excuse me, are you Kelly Chambers?
Why, yes. You completely trusthworthy person."

Seems legit:lol:

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Miranda working for Cerberus, an organization that could protect her from her father, who knew where she was and couldn't do **** about it?- Cover not needed, not for Cerberus itself. You'd be naive if you assume she never used a cover name for previous assignments or even for assets outside Cerberus.

I think in this case Skullheart is referring more to the fact that Miranda doesn't seem to be concerned about cover *after* leaving Cerberus. She's being hunted, but apparently hasn't done anything to help herself avoid being located/detected.

Why not?

I dunno. I guess maybe one could come up with some reason. But really the role as a whole just doesn't bear thinking about. As soon as one starts examining it closely, it immediately stops making any sense at all, really, I guess partly because it was being tinkered with until the last minute.

Example: from the non romance version of the third dialogue, we can infer that Miranda is expecting to be attacked by Leng, and so is ready to put the tracer on him. Problem: she's alone, and that plan only works if somebody can follow the tracer. Which Shepard eventually can, but only because he shows up randomly.

So, under those circumstances, it makes no sense at all for Miranda not to update Shepard on what is happening, since the plan only works if he can eventually follow the tracer.

Yes, if Miranda survives the encounter, she could contact Shepard then, or follow the tracer herself (less likely because she cannot assault Cronos Station alone), but if your plan is to let yourself get attacked by a master assassin in order to put a tracer on him, then not informing Shepard of what is going to happen really makes no sense at all. 

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 06:10 .

[CrutchCricket]

Skullheart wrote...

her only known "cover name" is LawbringerSR2. And in redemption and galaxy she used her real name.Lawson should be a fake surname, having the surname of the richest man in the galaxy might not be a good thing as an operative.

sigh.

I swear I'm going to find a spy named Gates or Jobs and call him a wanker. I don't know how. But I will. Then I'll ask him how Microsoft/Apple's doing.

[MisterJB]

Rather than re-wash this old discussion, let's all look at this picture instead.

http://browse.devian...effect#/d537nan

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
I don't understand what you mean. Their competition, humanity, being involved in a war is good for them.

How are they the competition, any more than the other races?

The other races are competition too, of course.

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
I think in this case Skullheart is referring more to the fact that Miranda doesn't seem to be concerned about cover *after* leaving Cerberus. She's being hunted, but apparently hasn't done anything to help herself avoid being located/detected.

Why not?

I dunno. I guess maybe one could come up with some reason. But really the role as a whole just doesn't bear thinking about. As soon as one starts examining it closely, it immediately stops making any sense at all, really, I guess partly because it was being tinkered with until the last minute.

Example: from the non romance version of the third dialogue, we can infer that Miranda is expecting to be attacked by Leng, and so is ready to put the tracer on him. Problem: she's alone, and that plan only works if somebody can follow the tracer. Which Shepard eventually can, but only because he shows up randomly.

So, under those circumstances, it makes no sense at all for Miranda not to update Shepard on what is happening.

Well no that wouldn't follow since we never see her refer to herself as Miranda Lawson in ME3 anyway. So who's to say she hans't been using cover names to move around? If you're thinking about the emails, I'd assume those would be encrypted secure communications and she would need to let Shepard know it was her.

Otherwise I would think her hiding is more of the "out of sight" variety rather than the "in plain sight with a fake name" type. Her appearance would seem to suggest this as well.

As for Leng and the tracer, she could be expecting to win? Or at least not die? Or maybe there'll be an automated message to Shepard about it if she does die? You're right it is a gap and I'm speculating to fill it. But it's not implausible.

[Skullheart]

Your previous example might work better with the salarians.

And the tracer thing doesn't make much sense. If she has the fast death, you'll never get a word about the tracer (no automatic message), meaning she planned on following Leng to TIM's base by herself after dealing with Henry.

Modifié par Skullheart, 11 juin 2012 - 06:15 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Well no that wouldn't follow since we never see her refer to herself as Miranda Lawson in ME3 anyway. So who's to say she hans't been using cover names to move around? 

Maybe she has, I guess, but that's moving into the realm of us just making stuff up. Would it be better if the story itself accounted for that type of thing? Probably.

CrutchCricket wrote...
As for Leng and the tracer, she could be expecting to win? Or at least not die? Or maybe there'll be an automated message to Shepard about it if she does die? You're right it is a gap and I'm speculating to fill it. But it's not implausible.

I covered this a bit in a edit above, but even if she thought she could/would survive, it makes much more sense to keep Shepard informed. The probability of the plan working goes up a lot.

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 06:16 .

[Dr. Doctor]

I originally thought that "Miranda Lawson" was a codename, which would make her line "Or what you'll replace me next?" make a little more sense.

[MisterJB]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I originally thought that "Miranda Lawson" was a codename,

That would make sense.
 

which would make her line "Or what you'll replace me next?" make a little more sense.

I'm not seeing the correlation.

[Skullheart]

MisterJB wrote...

I'm not seeing the correlation.

There will be always be a Miranda Lawson in Cerberus, that could be the designated name to TIM most trusted agent. Think about it like Bosley in the Charlie's Angels movies (couldn't think in a better example).

Modifié par Skullheart, 11 juin 2012 - 06:31 .

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Maybe she has, I guess, but that's moving into the realm of us just making stuff up. Would it be better if the story itself accounted for that type of thing? Probably.

Well it's not addressed one way or another so it's not really a problem unless you assume she didn't. Either way you're making stuff up.

I covered this a bit in a edit above, but even if she thought she could/would survive, it makes much more sense to keep Shepard informed. The probability of the plan working goes up a lot.

No argument there.

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

There will be always be a Miranda Lawson in Cerberus, that could be the designated name to TIM most trusted agent.

I see what you mean, but I don't think that's necessary for the line to make sense.

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[MisterJB]

That just gives a new layer to the phrase; I fail to see what about it doesn't make sense now.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Well it's not addressed one way or another so it's not really a problem unless you assume she didn't. Either way you're making stuff up.

Well, we have evidence of certain things, namely: Miranda is being hunted by Cerberus assassins, and Miranda hasn't seen fit to change her appearance, even when appearing in very public places (the Citadel).

So, that tends to give the impression that the devs just didn't bother to account for the inconsistency because, logically, it would make sense for Miranda to take some precautions, such as altering her appearance.

We are then free to pretend that Miranda is taking certain, less visible or obvious precautions, and we just don't see it. But that's more of a stretch.

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 06:40 .