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[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
Well, we have evidence of certain things, namely: Miranda is being hunted by Cerberus assassins, and Miranda hasn't seen fit to change her appearance, even when appearing in very public places (the Citadel).

So, that tends to give the impression that the devs just didn't bother to account for the inconsistency because, logically, it would make sense for Miranda to take some precautions, such as altering her appearance.

We are then free to pretend that Miranda is taking certain, less visible or obvious precautions, and we just don't see it. But that's more of a stretch.

Not necessarily. The Citadel is supposed to be untouchable. That's why everyone was caught off-guard with the coup. Miranda might reason that she would be safe from Cerberus on the Citadel. Not an unfounded assumption since Cerberus needed someone on the inside (Udina) to gain access.

Why she's wearing the same catsuit raises other questions, the most obvious being why is she still wearing that damn catsuit from 6 months ago? And dev laziness is of course the most likely response.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Why she's wearing the same catsuit raises other questions, the most obvious being why is she still wearing that damn catsuit from 6 months ago? And dev laziness is of course the most likely response.

Well, yeah. But that's basically the point Skullheart was making 

Logically, we should probably see more of a change then we do. 

[CrutchCricket]

I agree with it on the subject of visual appearance. I do not agree with it on the cover name. It is not out of place in ME2 and specifically pointing it out in ME3 adds nothing.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I agree with it on the subject of visual appearance. I do not agree with it on the cover name. It is not out of place in ME2 and specifically pointing it out in ME3 adds nothing.

Yeah, you guys have gone back and forth on that previously. This was a bit of a different point, though. Not whether Miranda Lawson was her real name in the first place, but whether she should still be using the same name in ME3, given that she is on the run.

I think there's a stronger gripe with appearance, from that point of view, because we only really see her using her name in contact with Shepard (making it fairly plausible to imagine she is using an alias in other circumstances, when needed).


A couple of points of information:

1) Can you have the third dialogue with Miranda without having the second?

2) If you fail to interrupt or presuade Henry, then it's Henry who shoots her, is that right?

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Why she's wearing the same catsuit raises other questions, the most obvious being why is she still wearing that damn catsuit from 6 months ago? And dev laziness is of course the most likely response.

That and it seems that most of Cerberus skipped the two-week course on blending in with local populations.

[flemm]

flemm wrote...

A couple of points of information:

1) Can you have the third dialogue with Miranda without having the second?

2) If you fail to interrupt or presuade Henry, then it's Henry who shoots her, is that right?

Feel free to ignore the above. I was going back over the various factors to try to figure out if the whole tracer thing could be said to make sense in some way.

But, having thought it over, the above doesn't really make any difference, the answer is no

It only works that way because the writers know Shepard will be showing up, but from an in-story perspective, there is no real logic to it.

[hot_heart]

Though I don't like to give stuff about my story away...perhaps the tracer was not originally meant for Kai Leng. As far as we know, she was after her father.

She shows Shepard it when he refuses to allow her access to Alliance resources, so I guess that was her back-up plan. Of course, I guess she had more than one, and since she'd discovered he was there on Sanctuary, she could plant one on Kai Leng as well.

Of course, my fic is sort of trying to 'wallpaper over the cracks' anyway. I think that makes sense. Please let me know if it doesn't...

Modifié par hot_heart, 11 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[jtav]

No, she shows it in any non-romance scenario.

Like flemm said, the story really doesn't bear thinking about.

[hot_heart]

Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't think that contradicts my plans at least.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't think that contradicts my plans at least.

Probably doesn't contradict it. But I don't think it makes sense that it was intended for her father, really. She's already been tracking him, and, once she finds him, she doesn't need to follow him anymore.

It also doesn't make sense that it would be intended for some assassin other than Leng (or just any assassin), because only someone of Leng's importance could lead back to Cronos.

So, i think it's supposed to suggest that what happens with Leng is not accidental. While that's a nice thought and conceptually a good idea, it doesn't really *fit* for other reasons.

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 08:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

Maybe she wasn't planning on fighting him? Leng was just there to extract the data right? Maybe Miranda planned on staying out of his way and just planting the tracer on his ship.

[hot_heart]

Well, like I said, she'd have more than one tracer, and since she's found her father, she can spare one for Kai Leng.

She'd probably gather that Kai Leng is meeting the Illusive Man (and is "right in the middle of all this") so it'd be worth 'tagging' him. There is just that underlying element of who would be able to take advantage of it if she were to die...
Hmm, I'll have to work on that one.

Modifié par hot_heart, 11 juin 2012 - 08:19 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Maybe she wasn't planning on fighting him?

Well, in most scenarios by that time, she's been warned about Leng. And, if warned, she can prepare herself to survive the encounter. (In passing, it's not clear at all what she does, but that's another thing that just kind of... there, and should probably be fleshed out.)

So, that all fits well enough, or at least to a point.

Anyway, I don't think there's any scenario that really works with all the details we have. You end up having to ignore something or just make something up.

Edit: I think the issue with the tracer being for her father is that it implies that she wants to find her father and then... follow him somewhere? But why? it makes more sense with the idea that Leng will find her, and then be followed back to Cronos.

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 08:22 .

[CrutchCricket]

Being warned does not rule out sneaking past him. In fact it can support it. Why fight him and risk death (either he kills you or you kill him and gain no new info) when you can tail him back to his boss?

Of course then you have to ask why she's not coming to Cronos Station with you. Damn it Bioware work with me here!

[hot_heart]

flemm wrote...
Edit: I think the issue with the tracer being for her father is that it implies that she wants to find her father and then... follow him somewhere? But why?

Because he has Oriana.

I've invented the reason for why he might have moved around a bit.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...
Because he has Oriana.
I've invented the reason for why he might have moved around a bit.

LoL

Well, go for it. I'm sure your version of events will make sense anyway

CrutchCricket wrote...

Being warned does not rule out
sneaking past him. In fact it can support it. Why fight him and risk
death (either he kills you or you kill him and gain no new info) when
you can tail him back to his boss?

It doesn't rule it out, no, but she's been prepping herself for Leng attacking her (that's how she survives). So, it seems like, combined with the tracer, that's the *plan* she refers to in dialogue three. Simplest explanation.

It... almost makes sense. Almost. Only problem is it relies too heavily on Shepard showing up when he does, thus making it implausible/unlikely that Miranda would not inform Shepard to begin with.

Modifié par flemm, 11 juin 2012 - 08:49 .

[hot_heart]

Yeah. Just to clarify, I agree with the idea that you do have to 'make a lot of things up', which was part of why I took on the challenge of the story. Though, currently, it has me tearing out my hair (why did I invent two new characters?!)

So if I am questioning and talking round things, it is more an exercise for me, and not trying to prove anyone wrong.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

Yeah. Just to clarify, I agree with the idea that you do have to 'make a lot of things up', which was part of why I took on the challenge of the story.

It's been a lot of fun reading it, I might add

[hot_heart]

Thank you. This thread has been so much help in working out certain things. Definitely gonna need some feedback on this latest chapter.

...unless I scrap this whole second part for something less headachey.

[Lawrence0294]

flemm wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

Yeah. Just to clarify, I agree with the idea that you do have to 'make a lot of things up', which was part of why I took on the challenge of the story.

It's been a lot of fun reading it, I might add

Agreed 

[hot_heart]

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Maybe she wasn't planning on fighting him? Leng was just there to extract the data right? Maybe Miranda planned on staying out of his way and just planting the tracer on his ship.

You would think that a so-called professional assassin like Leng would check for tracers onboard his ship before he left. Also how did Miranda manage to get away from Leng?

Shepard: You took on Kai Leng in a fight and survived. Not many people could do that.

Miranda: I didn't have to fight him. I used a distraction.

Shepard: Leng has a one-track mind how did you distract him?

Miranda: I have my ways.

Earlier

Leng: ...and now Miss lawson you di- is that a box of cereal?

Miranda: Yes, it even has a prize inside. Do you want it?

Leng: Of course I do!

Miranda: (tosses cereal box down the hall) Go get it!

(Leng runs after the box)

[flemm]

The cereal gets him every time ;-)

[Skullheart]

can't stop laughing from that banter doc...

btw, edited the pervious pose. Shepard recovered his balls and can kiss his woman.

Modifié par Skullheart, 11 juin 2012 - 11:00 .

[dtrain24]

hot_heart wrote...

Can't wait for more! Especially the Miranda/Leng confrontation.  I mean you're an artist. I wonder how you'll paint that picture.