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[Lawrence0294]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Maybe she wasn't planning on fighting him? Leng was just there to extract the data right? Maybe Miranda planned on staying out of his way and just planting the tracer on his ship.

You would think that a so-called professional assassin like Leng would check for tracers onboard his ship before he left. Also how did Miranda manage to get away from Leng?

Shepard: You took on Kai Leng in a fight and survived. Not many people could do that.

Miranda: I didn't have to fight him. I used a distraction.

Shepard: Leng has a one-track mind how did you distract him?

Miranda: I have my ways.

Earlier

Leng: ...and now Miss lawson you di- is that a box of cereal?

Miranda: Yes, it even has a prize inside. Do you want it?

Leng: Of course I do!

Miranda: (tosses cereal box down the hall) Go get it!

(Leng runs after the box)

Haha, that was hilarious 

[fiendishchicken]

hot_heart wrote...


Oh, and the Miranda/endings thing is clearly because Miranda fans are smarter and more sophisticated than most, so able to be more open-minded

I like to think of myself as open minded and sophisticated, but the endings weren't good. In any way. Period. In fact they weren't even endings. They were stopping points that accomplish nothing better in the long run in the scheme of things than letting the Reapers win (depending entirely on a persons POV because I know others see it different.) Sorry to re-fan the flame on the ending debate. I live in more denial than most. I've just head-canoned my own ending of course. 

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Err....what? What game have you been playing? It's certainly not the Mass Effect 3 I have on my PC. ME3 Shepard is fine in the Miranda romance, from the start to the end, actually. What kind of action are you missing?

Well, I do think there should be more direct and open affection. Not that the playfulness and "beneath the surface" stuff isn't good, but not all the time.

It needs a better payoff at the end especially.

[hot_heart]

fiendishchicken wrote...
I like to think of myself as open minded and sophisticated, but the endings weren't good. In any way. Period. In fact they weren't even endings. They were stopping points that accomplish nothing better in the long run in the scheme of things than letting the Reapers win (depending entirely on a persons POV because I know others see it different.) Sorry to re-fan the flame on the ending debate. I live in more denial than most. I've just head-canoned my own ending of course.

Oh, in no way do I endorse the endings. I just meant in a "Well, we got what we got. Now deal with it" way, that certain people give greater consideration to the bigger picture rather than a more reactionary approach.

Besides, I wasn't being wholly serious anyway.

[Vertigo_1]

I can't believe no one got that Seinfeld joke on Kai Leng and his cereal...

In all seriousness though, I've updated the OP of the Postcard thread in #FindMiranda group with new deadline and people working on stuff.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[o Ventus]

Babi_Siha wrote...

The engine room scene in ME2, in my headcanon, happened because Miranda suspected TIM had the whoe ship bugged and didn't want him to believe that she had been compromised and have Miranda kicked out of the mission as a consequence.

In ME3 Shepard is a jerk. Never says he misses her, sees Miranda after six months and doesn't even smile at her, not to mention gets a lot more worried about Ashley in Mars than he ever was for Miranda when he saw Leng attacking her. The "I'll always want you in my life" and "I found you" was cute and all but I always believed actions speak louder than words and his actions say he doesn't care all that much about her.

He should receive worst boyfriend award, I hope the EC and future DLC about her (I can dream) change Shepard's behaviour towards her for the better.

This, so much.

When Ashley was attacked by Eva, Shepard's (And everyone else's) general reaction was that of distress and fear for her life. 

When Miranda was attacked by Leng, he was "Welp, that's inconvenient".

Was Shepard manipulated by multiple writers over the course of the game? Did he happen to get the one on the team who disliked Miranda during the Citadel talks and Sanctuary?

[o Ventus]

fiendishchicken wrote...

hot_heart wrote...


Oh, and the Miranda/endings thing is clearly because Miranda fans are smarter and more sophisticated than most, so able to be more open-minded

I like to think of myself as open minded and sophisticated, but the endings weren't good. In any way. Period. In fact they weren't even endings. They were stopping points that accomplish nothing better in the long run in the scheme of things than letting the Reapers win (depending entirely on a persons POV because I know others see it different.) Sorry to re-fan the flame on the ending debate. I live in more denial than most. I've just head-canoned my own ending of course. 

In the most basic, this.

Of course, each individual ending is riddled with holes and gaps in logic. Never mind the horrific implications of each ending due to the moronic lack of any real exposition.

[Asakawa]

kratos0294 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Maybe she wasn't planning on fighting him? Leng was just there to extract the data right? Maybe Miranda planned on staying out of his way and just planting the tracer on his ship.

You would think that a so-called professional assassin like Leng would check for tracers onboard his ship before he left. Also how did Miranda manage to get away from Leng?

Shepard: You took on Kai Leng in a fight and survived. Not many people could do that.

Miranda: I didn't have to fight him. I used a distraction.

Shepard: Leng has a one-track mind how did you distract him?

Miranda: I have my ways.

Earlier

Leng: ...and now Miss lawson you di- is that a box of cereal?

Miranda: Yes, it even has a prize inside. Do you want it?

Leng: Of course I do!

Miranda: (tosses cereal box down the hall) Go get it!

(Leng runs after the box)

Haha, that was hilarious 

HHAHAHAHAH that is so saving my day today. 

[wright1978]

o Ventus wrote...

This, so much.

When Ashley was attacked by Eva, Shepard's (And everyone else's) general reaction was that of distress and fear for her life. 

When Miranda was attacked by Leng, he was "Welp, that's inconvenient".

Was Shepard manipulated by multiple writers over the course of the game? Did he happen to get the one on the team who disliked Miranda during the Citadel talks and Sanctuary?

Well that's what happens when Bioware takes a player characterised protaganist(ME1 & ME2) and makes a defined canon version of him/her for the final part of the trilogy. I'm not at all happy with what they did with Shep in ME3 but all i can do is head canon away how idiotic he/she acts most of the time. 

[dtrain24]

Hey guys, I have an update. Yann posted a video for the project on Youtube:  which he asked me to share with you guys.

He said that was a quick video he did while bored, and there would be a better one coming soon. It's just something to hold us over.

He also added a link to the group in that video's description, as well as one of his other Miranda videos.

[CrutchCricket]

o Ventus wrote...
When Ashley was attacked by Eva, Shepard's (And everyone else's) general reaction was that of distress and fear for her life. 

When Miranda was attacked by Leng, he was "Welp, that's inconvenient".

Was Shepard manipulated by multiple writers over the course of the game? Did he happen to get the one on the team who disliked Miranda during the Citadel talks and Sanctuary?

Maybe because Leng's a little ****? Hang on, I insulted him too hard, let him recharge.

Also Shepard doesn't actually see the attack he just see Miranda afterwards and she's still standing. It's Lawson that's the threat now and we all know what a irrelevant coward he is.

Still doesn't disprove the discrepancy, just alleviates it somewhat.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 juin 2012 - 05:03 .

[Dr. Doctor]

The entire third act pretty much sceams "we were running out of time and cut corners here" so I'm not really surprised that there isn't a romance version of Miranda squaring off against Kai Leng.

Extended Cut or not the entire game would be better off if they did a Witcher-style Enhanced Edition patch that fixed all of these issues. Throwing new DLC at the game isn't going to fix what's wrong with it already.

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
When Ashley was attacked by Eva, Shepard's (And everyone else's) general reaction was that of distress and fear for her life. 

When Miranda was attacked by Leng, he was "Welp, that's inconvenient".

Was Shepard manipulated by multiple writers over the course of the game? Did he happen to get the one on the team who disliked Miranda during the Citadel talks and Sanctuary?

Maybe because Leng's a little ****? Hang on, I insulted him too hard, let him recharge.

Also Shepard doesn't actually see the attack he just see Miranda afterwards and she's still standing. It's Lawson that's the threat now and we all know what a irrelevant coward he is.

Still doesn't disprove the discrepancy, just alleviates it somewhat.

I don't know about Shepard, but if the woman I was currently involved with (Even someone as capable as Miranda) suddenly came under attack by Storm Shad-- Kai Leng... I think my reaction would be closer to "Holy ****, is she gonna be alright? We need to get there, fast!", not just "Welp, maybe she can fight him off". It isn't an issue of relevance or whther or not Miranda can fight him, but because he and her are romantically involved, and she may or may not die here, a little human emotion isn't asking too much, Shepard.

[CrutchCricket]

o Ventus wrote...
I don't know about Shepard, but if the woman I was currently involved with (Even someone as capable as Miranda) suddenly came under attack by Storm Shad-- Kai Leng... I think my reaction would be closer to "Holy ****, is she gonna be alright? We need to get there, fast!", not just "Welp, maybe she can fight him off". It isn't an issue of relevance or whther or not Miranda can fight him, but because he and her are romantically involved, and she may or may not die here, a little human emotion isn't asking too much, Shepard.

You're right. But I think writting in Vent Boy the Wonder Holokid took precedence over... you know logic and junk.

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
I don't know about Shepard, but if the woman I was currently involved with (Even someone as capable as Miranda) suddenly came under attack by Storm Shad-- Kai Leng... I think my reaction would be closer to "Holy ****, is she gonna be alright? We need to get there, fast!", not just "Welp, maybe she can fight him off". It isn't an issue of relevance or whther or not Miranda can fight him, but because he and her are romantically involved, and she may or may not die here, a little human emotion isn't asking too much, Shepard.

You're right. But I think writting in Vent Boy the Wonder Holokid took precedence over... you know logic and junk.

That's Vent Boy the Teleporting Wonder Holokid to you!

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
I don't know about Shepard, but if the woman I was currently involved with (Even someone as capable as Miranda) suddenly came under attack by Storm Shad-- Kai Leng... I think my reaction would be closer to "Holy ****, is she gonna be alright? We need to get there, fast!", not just "Welp, maybe she can fight him off". It isn't an issue of relevance or whther or not Miranda can fight him, but because he and her are romantically involved, and she may or may not die here, a little human emotion isn't asking too much, Shepard.

You're right. But I think writting in Vent Boy the Wonder Holokid took precedence over... you know logic and junk.

That's Vent Boy the Teleporting Wonder Holokid to you!

I prefer just calling him Star Brat.

[Dr. Doctor]

o Ventus wrote...

That's Vent Boy the Teleporting Wonder Holokid to you!

Not to be confused with Vault Boy

[MisterJB]

It appears Yvonne will appear on a multi-episode arc on Dexter's seventh season. Guess I'll have to start watching this show.
Of course, I can't help but wonder how this affects her availability for the EC.

[hot_heart]

I watched S1 of Dexter years ago...guess I have a whole other five to watch now...

[o Ventus]

Like I said in the other thread.

$30 says she's Dex's target this season.

I almost don't want to take the article seriously, much in the same vein I can't take Colin Hanks' character seriously.

[jtav]

As for the EC, well why would she have lines? I'm taking a wild guess and saying it'll start at Citadel: The Return and deal mostly with patching plot holes, ensuring we know the dextro life won't starve, the darkening of the relays didn't wipe out life and so on, and epilogue slides. All that's needed for Miranda is to show she survived.

[Babi_Siha]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Err....what? What game have you been playing? It's certainly not the Mass Effect 3 I have on my PC. ME3 Shepard is fine in the Miranda romance, from the start to the end, actually. What kind of action are you missing?

How about a smile when he first sees Miranda on the Citadel after six months or "I missed you"? Or show some worriness when he sees her being attacked? He could also not have shown more affection and concern for Ashely, which no one here can deny he acted like Miranda was an incovenient and that Ashley was the one he truly cared about. If Miranda dies I don't recal Shepard shedding one tear and he didn't seem affected by her death at all. Or after the attack, how about inviting Miranda and Oriana to the Normandy there being probably the safest place on the galaxy?

Maybe you settle for coldness and indifference, but I think there was so much more that he (read BioWare) could've done. Shepard even shows more affection for Jack, hell he even kisses her. I don't remember him trying to kiss Miranda in any of their meetings and if my boyfriend doesn't wanna kiss me or seems happy when he sees me I'm pretty sure something is wrong.

o Ventus wrote...

I don't know about Shepard, but if the woman I was currently involved
with (Even someone as capable as Miranda) suddenly came under attack by
Storm Shad-- Kai Leng... I think my reaction would be closer to "Holy
****, is she gonna be alright? We need to get there, fast!", not just
"Welp, maybe she can fight him off". It isn't an issue of relevance or
whther or not Miranda can fight him, but because he and her are romantically involved, and she may or may not die here, a little human emotion isn't asking too much, Shepard.

Exactly. Shepard's lack of concern about Miranda is very upsetting. Like I said, the whole time playing I couldn't shape my Shepard to be in love with Miranda and for a RPG that is so wrong. That's why when it comes to writing characters, DA:O team wins hands down.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 12 juin 2012 - 06:32 .

[Skullheart]

She'll be on Dexter? I hope her character dies. Blondes don't have luck on that show.

[Vertigo_1]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Maybe you settle for coldness and indifference, but I think there was so much more that he (read BioWare) could've done. Shepard even shows more affection for Jack, hell he even kisses her. I don't remember him trying to kiss Miranda in any of their meetings and if my boyfriend doesn't wanna kiss me or seems happy when he sees me I'm pretty sure something is wrong.

I think they did the whole opposite thing when it came to Jack and Miranda romance. Just so things aren't the same throughout
Miranda is more reserved while Jack isn't.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 12 juin 2012 - 06:31 .

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

It appears Yvonne will appear on a multi-episode arc on Dexter's seventh season. Guess I'll have to start watching this show.
Of course, I can't help but wonder how this affects her availability for the EC.

Maybe not much, tbh. It seems she was able to record material for ME3 even while Chuck was finishing. Including maybe a few lines that were added post-leak.

But it really depends partly on what they are trying to do in the EC. Are there going to be voiced reunion scenes or voiced epilogue slides? Then she would need lines. But if not, then maybe not.