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[fiendishchicken]

MisterJB wrote...

It appears Yvonne will appear on a multi-episode arc on Dexter's seventh season. Guess I'll have to start watching this show.
Of course, I can't help but wonder how this affects her availability for the EC.

Has anyone here ever thought that Yvonne would make a great antagonist? I think she would make a really good villainess.

[flemm]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Has anyone here ever thought that Yvonne would make a great antagonist? I think she would make a really good villainess.

I think she could, definitely. There's a side of Miranda that could easily go toward villainess, and Yvonne's VO handles that well.



Re: all the romance discussion, I guess it's the least of my concerns, really. Basically, more would be good, I think we'd all like that.

Modifié par flemm, 12 juin 2012 - 07:58 .

[Babi_Siha]

lillitheris wrote...

^ Not to spark a holy war, but m’thinks Hale would have done better there… Meer just doesn’t do the emotional stuff as well (I personally don’t think well at all, but there’s disagreement on that point).

Hale would've done so much better. I've seen lots of war going on over who's the best VA of the two, but IMO Hale can pass so much more emotion that it's like a completely different Shepard even if all the dialogue choices are the same.

I get that some people like stoic Meer Shepard, say that he's more in character with a soldier that's been through a lot, but I found Hale's speeches way more follow worth than Meer's. I don't want to start a flame here either, but I never understood Meer's casting (although he was a bit better in ME3).

[CrutchCricket]

I support an interrupt kiss as soon as he sees her. Or if you want to keep the structure intact, when she asks if she's still a part of his plan, cut her off with one. That way you have the option of
a) affirm with kiss
affirm with words if you want to play it cool
c) reject if you so choose (you monster)

[fiendishchicken]

I prefer Meer. He strikes me as a much more military, more professional Shepard, and it certainly doesn't sound bland to me, though that may just be me being biased towards the calm demeanor that you find in the military.

In other news I was looking up Yvonne for Dexter news, and I came across the Jimmy Kimmel interview she did a while back. Damn, I love that woman, even more than just because she's beautiful and her characters.  She has a wicked sense of humor as well. I can honestly say that if me and my drinking buddies (mind you these are all Army guys) had her in our circle of friends she'd probably be able to drink us under the table, and she'd be the one telling the nastiest jokes. 

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 12 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

[o Ventus]

I think they should have had a potential kiss during the first meeting, like Cricket says. But I think it should be a dialogue choice, not an interrupt. The Paragon dialogue could be what we have now (I'll always want you in my life"), while the corresponding Renegade could be the kiss. The break up could be on the other side of the dialogue wheel.

I imagine something like this-

M: Am I still a part of your plan? It's been so long I wasn't sure where we stood...

*Pick dialogue. Shepard takes her arms and kisses her.*

S: (After pulling away) Does that answer your question?

Enough to tell Miranda that he's still interested, but douchey enough to fit the general Renegade bill.

[CrutchCricket]

That works too.

This way you're not penalized if you weren't paying attention lol.

[srjepsen]

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Oh yeah!  Best comic ever, featuring that perfect ass

[MisterJB]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Again, just words. Miranda was all smile (as fer as her smiling goes anyway) and if you take a close look to Shepard's facial expression he seems completely indifferent, like he was trying to be polite but wasn't really happy. And he doesn't actually say he's glad to see her, Miranda says "Shepard, it's so good to finally see you" and he replies "you too, Miranda" all the while touching that shoulder that never seems to be fixed and looking rather uninterested.

They have to take into account the people who are going to move on. After "I'll always...", Shepard starts smiling.

Yes, Miranda doesn't need to be coddled and Shepard knew that, which is not to say that seing the person he allegedly love being attacked, as competent as she was, wouldn't bring out his irrational, emotional side. It was a situation he had to remain cool, but seing something like that would surely bring out an emotional response if it were any other LI in that situation.

No, it is very clear they were running out of time and money. While it would have been great, a romanced exclusive line for that particular scene probrably just wasn't an high priority.
He says he worried which excuses it not to mention his dialogue towards Henry is wonderful.
"I've done nothing to you.
This isn't about you or me. Let her go!"

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
Re: all the romance discussion, I guess it's the least of my concerns, really. Basically, more would be good, I think we'd all like that.

Yes, definitively. Romance content is probrably the last thing we need either on the EC or an hypothetical DLC.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...

Yes, definitively. Romance content is probrably the last thing we need either on the EC or an hypothetical DLC.

Well, the more the merrier. It's just that with the romance, it boils down to: more would be good. That's easy.

With the overall direction, the issue is much deeper. I think the point has probably been made (judging even by some of the last-minute adjustments that made it into the core game), but it's more problematic.

[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

They have to take into account the people who are going to move on. After "I'll always...", Shepard starts smiling.

Too bad BW didn't consider the people who wanted to move on from Ashley and Liara.

No, it is very clear they were running out of time and money. While it would have been great, a romanced exclusive line for that particular scene probrably just wasn't an high priority.
He says he worried which excuses it not to mention his dialogue towards Henry is wonderful.
"I've done nothing to you.
This isn't about you or me. Let her go!"

I know this, the whole game felt rushed. I also know there were some romances that BW chose to make it time and money for. But the writers could add a little emotion to Shepard when he saw that video of Leng attacking Miranda. Of course BioWare and their writers are responsible for Miranda's poor treatment, romance or not, but we were never discussing that. Even if it was due to poor writing, it doesn't change the fact that when it comes to Miranda, Shepard could've been a better boyfriend.

If we're gonna use artistic integrity, lack of time and money for excusing something bad on the game, like the Miranda romance, we might as well be happy with the endings.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 12 juin 2012 - 09:09 .

[lillitheris]

MisterJB wrote...

flemm wrote...
Re: all the romance discussion, I guess it's the least of my concerns, really. Basically, more would be good, I think we'd all like that.

Yes, definitively. Romance content is probrably the last thing we need either on the EC or an hypothetical DLC.

I’ll disagree with this, too (I sense a pattern…). Improved romances with proper closure will probably mollify a very large portion of the playerbase.

[hot_heart]

Seize the dissident! She's all luvvy-wuvvy!

Modifié par hot_heart, 12 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[o Ventus]

lillitheris wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

flemm wrote...
Re: all the romance discussion, I guess it's the least of my concerns, really. Basically, more would be good, I think we'd all like that.

Yes, definitively. Romance content is probrably the last thing we need either on the EC or an hypothetical DLC.

I’ll disagree with this, too (I sense a pattern…). Improved romances with proper closure will probably mollify a very large portion of the playerbase.

This.

[flemm]

lillitheris wrote...

I’ll disagree with this, too (I sense a pattern…). Improved romances with proper closure will probably mollify a very large portion of the playerbase.

As a general statement that's probably true. And it would help with Miranda specifically as well.

It's not *my* biggest concern, but that's me. Doesn't mean I wouldn't buy it in a heartbeat, though

Modifié par flemm, 12 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[Td1984]

Babi_Siha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

^ Not to spark a holy war, but m’thinks Hale would have done better there… Meer just doesn’t do the emotional stuff as well (I personally don’t think well at all, but there’s disagreement on that point).

Hale would've done so much better. I've seen lots of war going on over who's the best VA of the two, but IMO Hale can pass so much more emotion that it's like a completely different Shepard even if all the dialogue choices are the same.

I get that some people like stoic Meer Shepard, say that he's more in character with a soldier that's been through a lot, but I found Hale's speeches way more follow worth than Meer's. I don't want to start a flame here either, but I never understood Meer's casting (although he was a bit better in ME3).

This is why I prefer to play as FShep. I like that Jennifer Hale puts more emotion into it.

[dtrain24]

MisterJB wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Again, just words. Miranda was all smile (as fer as her smiling goes anyway) and if you take a close look to Shepard's facial expression he seems completely indifferent, like he was trying to be polite but wasn't really happy. And he doesn't actually say he's glad to see her, Miranda says "Shepard, it's so good to finally see you" and he replies "you too, Miranda" all the while touching that shoulder that never seems to be fixed and looking rather uninterested.

They have to take into account the people who are going to move on. After "I'll always...", Shepard starts smiling.

In the Jack romance, Shepard goes along with Jack's kiss before he makes a decision. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[Dr. Doctor]

MisterJB wrote...

Different types of Goodbyes for different romances. Jack gets an "I love you", with Miranda Shepard finally makes the promise they've both been avoiding for almost two games.

I agree, they're both different characters and the tone of both romances is different. Miranda saying "I love you" during her death scene makes sense from the fact that she'll never get the chance to say it again. Other than that it doesn't seem like something she'd say on a regular basis, I sort of imagine it being a little like Leia and Han in Empire Strikes Back:

Shepard: I love you.

Miranda: I know.

[ripslip]

@dtrain
Hmmm that is interesting.

Modifié par ripslip, 12 juin 2012 - 10:22 .

[Lawrence0294]

So Flemm, everything doing ok with the book ? 

[MisterJB]

Babi_Siha wrote...
 Even if it was due to poor writing, it doesn't change the fact that when it comes to Miranda, Shepard could've been a better boyfriend.

It's not a fact. It's your opinion.

lillitheris wrote...
I’ll disagree with this, too (I sense a pattern…). Improved romances with proper closure will probably mollify a very large portion of the playerbase.

No doubt but, right now, my priority would be to restore the missing portions of Miranda's character. I wouldn't say not to a Romance DLC, of course.

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 juin 2012 - 10:36 .

[Jebel Krong]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Different types of Goodbyes for different romances. Jack gets an "I love you", with Miranda Shepard finally makes the promise they've both been avoiding for almost two games.

I agree, they're both different characters and the tone of both romances is different. Miranda saying "I love you" during her death scene makes sense from the fact that she'll never get the chance to say it again. Other than that it doesn't seem like something she'd say on a regular basis, I sort of imagine it being a little like Leia and Han in Empire Strikes Back:

Shepard: I love you.

Miranda: I know.

er, other way around.

[Skullheart]

Regarding Miranda, I think that the priority shouldn't be the romance. It should be a closure with Cerberus and a real confrontation with her father.

Modifié par Skullheart, 12 juin 2012 - 10:40 .

[flemm]

kratos0294 wrote...

So Flemm, everything doing ok with the book ? 

Yeah. It's a lot of stuff to put together, but it's coming along.

Jebel Krong wrote...


er, other way around.

I think he meant to invert it.

Modifié par flemm, 12 juin 2012 - 10:44 .