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[Jebel Krong]

Td1984 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

^ Not to spark a holy war, but m’thinks Hale would have done better there… Meer just doesn’t do the emotional stuff as well (I personally don’t think well at all, but there’s disagreement on that point).

Hale would've done so much better. I've seen lots of war going on over who's the best VA of the two, but IMO Hale can pass so much more emotion that it's like a completely different Shepard even if all the dialogue choices are the same.

I get that some people like stoic Meer Shepard, say that he's more in character with a soldier that's been through a lot, but I found Hale's speeches way more follow worth than Meer's. I don't want to start a flame here either, but I never understood Meer's casting (although he was a bit better in ME3).

This is why I prefer to play as FShep. I like that Jennifer Hale puts more emotion into it.

Ugh please: hale spends most of the time sounding like a hyper-emotional wanna tough-guy and the rest oddly flat - usually at precisely the wrong moment. I've been a fan of hers since mgs but she's totally wrong for shepard.

[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

It's not a fact. It's your opinion.

I wish I knew what you thought about their relationship that was so great, because so far all you did was try to prove why I'm wrong and not once did you try to make a point on what's so great about them and hiding behind budgetary reasons and lack of time like you did is not really an answer. I'm not the only one unhappy about their romance, next to the overall romances with Ashley, Liara and Jack, Miranda got the worst, just watch and compare.

lillitheris wrote...

I’ll disagree with this, too (I sense a pattern…). Improved romances with proper closure will probably mollify a very large portion of the playerbase.

I think there are so many things wrong with the game right now that I don't think they should focus on a romance DLC. I think the Extended Patch will suck and it won't be enough to keep people playing the game. I think first of all they should focus on adding more side-quests, maybe a few more cutscenes in-game (someone here suggested doing something like the enhanced edition of The Witcher and I couldn't agree more), do justice with characters like Miranda on the EC and only then focus on a character DLC.

Miranda and Thane are my favorite characters, but fixing them wouldn't make me play the game again more than once, but if all those bad things mentioned are fixed I'll be playing it a lot more.

[o Ventus]

flemm wrote...

Yeah. It's a lot of stuff to put together, but it's coming along.

Got all the submissions yet?

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...

flemm wrote...

Yeah. It's a lot of stuff to put together, but it's coming along.

Got all the submissions yet?

Still waiting on the cosplay and a couple of the comics we plan to include. But otherwise, yeah.

[Skullheart]

Make sure to have lots of backups. It's 2012, we don't what will happen next week.

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

Make sure to have lots of backups. It's 2012, we don't what will happen next week.

What's going on next week?

[Skullheart]

next week, next day, next hour... you'll never know. In my case it will be an earthquake in any moment.

[flemm]

Skullheart wrote...

next week, next day, next hour... you'll never know. In my case it will be an earthquake in any moment.

Ah, yes. Well, should the world be torn asunder, all my backups may be in vain.

But I'll take what precautions I can

[fiendishchicken]

flemm wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

next week, next day, next hour... you'll never know. In my case it will be an earthquake in any moment.

Ah, yes. Well, should the world be torn asunder, all my backups may be in vain.

But I'll take what precautions I can

The only thing I don't miss about LA. The quakes. Oh well, here in Chicago I have glaciers from the north, tornado's from the west, megawaves from the east, and rednecks from the south, so I have my own set of apocalyptic problems.

[dtrain24]

This thread needs some more Miranda

[Oldbones2]

The problem with Miranda and Shep's romance is that it goes nowhere.

In the beginning of ME3, you are either with her or not. During the middle you talk about your relationship. At the end you consumate it, again.


Thing is, your just treading water. Not going somewhere new. Not deepening the relationship. Not giving fans who stay loyal payoff (though they do punish fans who leave Miri).

A romance arc is a subplot. A subplot needs a beginning middle and end. A set objective. An arc.

If the plot starts with the two people together in the beginning, they either need to break up, or take a step forward in their relationship. It doesn't matter what step it is, just so long as it is a step forward. Make love for the first time, say I love you, get married or have a child, etc. Anything. Just a step forward.

[kaymarierose]

Oldbones2 wrote...

The problem with Miranda and Shep's romance is that it goes nowhere.

In the beginning of ME3, you are either with her or not. During the middle you talk about your relationship. At the end you consumate it, again.


Thing is, your just treading water. Not going somewhere new. Not deepening the relationship. Not giving fans who stay loyal payoff (though they do punish fans who leave Miri).

A romance arc is a subplot. A subplot needs a beginning middle and end. A set objective. An arc.

If the plot starts with the two people together in the beginning, they either need to break up, or take a step forward in their relationship. It doesn't matter what step it is, just so long as it is a step forward. Make love for the first time, say I love you, get married or have a child, etc. Anything. Just a step forward.

Agreed. For me, thats exactly what's missing. But I have to admit, its missing from more relationships than just Miranda.

[dtrain24]

kaymarierose wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

The problem with Miranda and Shep's romance is that it goes nowhere.

In the beginning of ME3, you are either with her or not. During the middle you talk about your relationship. At the end you consumate it, again.


Thing is, your just treading water. Not going somewhere new. Not deepening the relationship. Not giving fans who stay loyal payoff (though they do punish fans who leave Miri).

A romance arc is a subplot. A subplot needs a beginning middle and end. A set objective. An arc.

If the plot starts with the two people together in the beginning, they either need to break up, or take a step forward in their relationship. It doesn't matter what step it is, just so long as it is a step forward. Make love for the first time, say I love you, get married or have a child, etc. Anything. Just a step forward.

Agreed. For me, thats exactly what's missing. But I have to admit, its missing from more relationships than just Miranda.

I think there's an outstanding but different issue with a lot of relationships. At least we get a somewhat decent amount of content with Miranda compared to others. 
Jack gets an "I love you" while we don't (unless Miranda dies) but she gets only 4:40 or so in content. Check Youtube, haha.
But a lot of romances get the "I love you" and kiss that we didn't.  It is very frusturating.
The only romances that are hard to complain about are Ashley, Tali, and of course Liara.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

I think there's an outstanding but different issue with a lot of relationships. At least we get a somewhat decent amount of content with Miranda compared to others. 
Jack gets an "I love you" while we don't (unless Miranda dies) but she gets only 4:40 or so in content. Check Youtube, haha.
But a lot of romances get the "I love you" and kiss that we didn't.  It is very frusturating.
The only romances that are hard to complain about are Ashley, Tali, and of course Liara.

That's actually a pretty good point. Something I don't say to a lot of people.

We got a lot of content with Miranda in comparison to the other romances, but what we have isn't very good. Jackmancers get some pretty decent content, just too little.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I think there's an outstanding but different issue with a lot of relationships. At least we get a somewhat decent amount of content with Miranda compared to others. 
Jack gets an "I love you" while we don't (unless Miranda dies) but she gets only 4:40 or so in content. Check Youtube, haha.
But a lot of romances get the "I love you" and kiss that we didn't.  It is very frusturating.
The only romances that are hard to complain about are Ashley, Tali, and of course Liara.

That's actually a pretty good point. Something I don't say to a lot of people.

We got a lot of content with Miranda in comparison to the other romances, but what we have isn't very good. Jackmancers get some pretty decent content, just too little.

Safe to say we've earned each other's mutual respect then, haha.
But yeah, pretty much a good summary of what I was trying to say.

[Oldbones2]

kaymarierose wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

The problem with Miranda and Shep's romance is that it goes nowhere.

In the beginning of ME3, you are either with her or not. During the middle you talk about your relationship. At the end you consumate it, again.


Thing is, your just treading water. Not going somewhere new. Not deepening the relationship. Not giving fans who stay loyal payoff (though they do punish fans who leave Miri).

A romance arc is a subplot. A subplot needs a beginning middle and end. A set objective. An arc.

If the plot starts with the two people together in the beginning, they either need to break up, or take a step forward in their relationship. It doesn't matter what step it is, just so long as it is a step forward. Make love for the first time, say I love you, get married or have a child, etc. Anything. Just a step forward.

Agreed. For me, thats exactly what's missing. But I have to admit, its missing from more relationships than just Miranda.

Sure, every ME2 romance that isn't a team dextro gets the same flat romance arc.  Every.  Single.  One.

Miranda may get more content than other LI's, but that doesn't mean more of her romance arc.  And more time in the romance arc doesn't garauntee a great arc. 

[dtrain24]

Oldbones2 wrote...
Miranda may get more content than other LI's, but that doesn't mean more of her romance arc.  And more time in the romance arc doesn't garauntee a great arc. 

I agree. As I said a couple of posts ago, I said Jack gets a bit more quality and Miranda gets more quantity.  Neither of them has a complete romance arc though.  Shepard never really gained a lot of ground with Miranda outside the affirmation in the first conversation and the promise to find Miranda at the end.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...
Miranda may get more content than other LI's, but that doesn't mean more of her romance arc.  And more time in the romance arc doesn't garauntee a great arc. 

I agree. As I said a couple of posts ago, I said Jack gets a bit more quality and Miranda gets more quantity.  Neither of them has a complete romance arc though.  Shepard never really gained a lot of ground with Miranda outside the affirmation in the first conversation and the promise to find Miranda at the end.

Aside from the affirmation, nothing really happens up until the hotel scene. There's literally nothing in the holovid talk on Earth, and Sanctuary does not ever address their status together.

Another thing I've noticed from talking to people who don't romance Miranda is that a lot of her neutral dialogue comes off as unintentionally creepy and sort of like she's coming on to Shepard, much in the same vein as Liara.

Modifié par o Ventus, 13 juin 2012 - 02:24 .

[flemm]

Well, the arc should really be joyful reunion after forced separation. Lovers kept apart by circumstances who have found each other again.

That's the "payoff" that I feel is missing.

[Dr. Doctor]

o Ventus wrote...

Another thing I've noticed from talking to people who don't romance Miranda is that a lot of her neutral dialogue comes off as unintentionally creepy and sort of like she's coming on to Shepard, much in the same vein as Liara.

Miranda stroking Femshep's face during her death scene made me laugh. Although having those lines works pretty well with my Shepard who picked "Friends untill we're done saving the galaxy?" option in ME2.

[kookie28]

How goes the fanbook, flemm?

[flemm]

kookie28 wrote...

How goes the fanbook, flemm?

Well. It's a lot of stuff, but it's only a matter of time. I'll probably try to post some type of draft soon without all the formatting, so people can comment on the organisation.

[Vertigo_1]

flemm wrote...

kookie28 wrote...

How goes the fanbook, flemm?

Well. It's a lot of stuff, but it's only a matter of time. I'll probably try to post some type of draft soon without all the formatting, so people can comment on the organisation.

What Flemm is reffering to is the notion that we came up with: Multiple iterations before the final product is sent to Bioware (meaning we'd like to get everything right before ship, such as problems with submissions, how it looks with the template, etc)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 13 juin 2012 - 07:10 .

[Vertigo_1]

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
I think I need my meds.

The discussion is going on solely about Shepard's dialogue and Shepard's deliverance of said dialogue. Not Miranda or her dialogue. Not Kai Leng, or Anderson, or anyone or anything else.

Just Shepard.

I know that.
Having Shepard act more open in a romance that isn't made to be like that isn't going to work IMO.
Didn't have a problem with the way he delivered that dialog.  Only wanted a pillow talk scene and her being there @ the FoB

And how can you say it is or isn't meant to be like that?

When you look at the romance as a whole

[o Ventus]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
I think I need my meds.

The discussion is going on solely about Shepard's dialogue and Shepard's deliverance of said dialogue. Not Miranda or her dialogue. Not Kai Leng, or Anderson, or anyone or anything else.

Just Shepard.

I know that.
Having Shepard act more open in a romance that isn't made to be like that isn't going to work IMO.
Didn't have a problem with the way he delivered that dialog.  Only wanted a pillow talk scene and her being there @ the FoB

And how can you say it is or isn't meant to be like that?

When you look at the romance as a whole

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That doesn't even remotely begin to answer anything, let alone my question.