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[Skullheart]

I can imagine jtav fears:

Writer 1: Ok, we finished all the romance subplots for the EC. The fans will be happy to see Shepard reunited with the LI's on the new Eden.
Writer 2: What about Jack and Miranda?
Writer 1: Excuse me?
Writer 2: Jack and Miranda. They are on Earth. Shoudln't we make something for them?
Writer 1: Damn, I totally forgot about them. We could just kill them.
Writer 2: What?
Writer 1: It happened before with Thane.We didn't have enough time and resources to work with his romance, so we killed him. Let's kill those two to not let any loose ends.
Writer 2: Don't you think their fanbases will be upset?
Writer 1: Their fault. They romanced the wrong character. We made it clear who are the real LIs in the game.

Modifié par Skullheart, 14 juin 2012 - 04:18 .

[Stalker]

 Skullheart. 
I always had the impression that the conversations in the (new) BioWare studios have been exactly like that during ME3-development... especially with the romances.

[jtav]

Actually the sense I get is the EC will have no reunions--which means excluding the possibility for all.

[flemm]

Well, the way things were handled in ME3 makes it a bit hard to think happy thoughts. Which is partly why I just wouldn't worry about it too much, and wait and see.

But overall I'd say the EC is more likely to push things toward more positive outcomes than otherwise. Beyond that, I have no idea what they will try to include precisely.

Modifié par flemm, 14 juin 2012 - 04:27 .

[Stalker]

jtav wrote...

Actually the sense I get is the EC will have no reunions--which means excluding the possibility for all.

Merizan (?) confirmed that a reunion is possible.

But what am I saying... BioWare employees are not really known for keeping promises anyway 

[jtav]

Merizan is frequently wrong.

And the vibe I'm getting from Lance, Kimberly, PR is that the EC will be mostly explanation. But we'll see.

[flemm]

I think she meant it was theoretically possible already (in certain scenarios). That was from a while ago, I think, and more about the endings in the core game than the EC.

Modifié par flemm, 14 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[Babi_Siha]

Mr Massakka

Merizan (?) confirmed that a reunion is possible.

Jessica Merizan also said Miranda was awesome in ME3 before the game launched, so it's wise not to take her word.

[Vlk3]

Skullheart wrote...

I can imagine jtav fears:

Writer 1: Ok, we finished all the romance subplots for the EC. The fans will be happy to see Shepard reunited with the LI's on the new Eden.
Writer 2: What about Jack and Miranda?
Writer 1: Excuse me?
Writer 2: Jack and Miranda. They are on Earth. Shoudln't we make something for them?
Writer 1: Damn, I totally forgot about them. We could just kill them.
Writer 2: What?
Writer 1: It happened before with Thane.We didn't have enough time and resources to work with his romance, so we killed him. Let's kill those two to not let any loose ends.
Writer 2: Don't you think their fanbases will be upset?
Writer 1: Their fault. They romanced the wrong character. We made it clear who are the real LIs in the game.

Hi! I've just looked into this thread and first thing I saw is amazing!

Anyway I am really dissapointed that Miranda wasn't a part of the squad in ME3. Unfortunately, ME3 isn't flawed only because of endings - there is much that should be changed in this game, ME2 LI's especially.

Modifié par Vlk3, 14 juin 2012 - 04:54 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Actually the sense I get is the EC will have no reunions--which means excluding the possibility for all.

I have mixed feelings. You've been right with your feelings so far, but I find it hard to imagine that there won't even be an epilogue slide. Without that, the story won't feel complete.

@Vlk3:
Welcome. Yeah, the ME2 LIs got the shaft, and Miranda was character-mutilated. Scant hope they'll fix that, but the EC could do some pretty good things with a Miranda epilogue slide. Unfortunately, considering how things have been going, I'm more afraid of seeing one than appreciative.

@all:
I feel this thread - maybe other character threads, too - are becoming a safe haven from the madhouse which is the storyline forum.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 14 juin 2012 - 05:30 .

[Ieldra]

Asakawa wrote...

New drawing uploaded at DA =)

Special Tactics and Reconnaissance agent Lawson (oh how I wish that could be true!)

http://asakawa.devia...awson-308307096

Wow. This is truly impressive. Instant favorite!

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Let's hope so. I'd like to be spectacularly wrong in my negativity. What I want is Miranda the researcher and founder of the human STG. And I certainly don't want her wallowing in misery after Shepard's death.

Yeah. that's why I said in my EC recommendations not to go into too much detail with the post-ending character stories. If they do that, it will and badly. I'd rather hear something like "Miranda vanished from the scene shortly after the war, though some say she's working behind the scenes" than an elaborate variant of a story I don't want to hear. 

But by now, we should have some practice at fixing endings ourselves. And, you know, if the worst happens we can always say the EC didn't happen and we'll go back to Bioware's *cough* original *cough* artistic vision. Wouldn't that be the irony of the decade?

[Asakawa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Asakawa wrote...

New drawing uploaded at DA =)

Special Tactics and Reconnaissance agent Lawson (oh how I wish that could be true!)

http://asakawa.devia...awson-308307096

Wow. This is truly impressive. Instant favorite!

thank you very much, Ieldra!

[Vertigo_1]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Asakawa wrote...

New drawing uploaded at DA =)

Special Tactics and Reconnaissance agent Lawson (oh how I wish that could be true!)
*snip*
http://asakawa.devia...awson-308307096

Wow. This is truly impressive. Instant favorite!

Agreed, favored on DA hehe

[Jebel Krong]

jtav wrote...

Merizan is frequently wrong.

And the vibe I'm getting from Lance, Kimberly, PR is that the EC will be mostly explanation. But we'll see.

that's all they said the EC was going to be from the start. i don't really get why people would think that means dialogue scenes with LIs after BW stated they were sticking with the 'artistic integrity' of the original ending and just expanding on those with additional cut scenes.

[dtrain24]

Asakawa wrote...

New drawing uploaded at DA =)

Special Tactics and Reconnaissance agent Lawson (oh how I wish that could be true!)

http://asakawa.devia...awson-308307096

As I said in the message, very well done! If you don't add this to the DA group faves...then I will. Hahah.
I think Miranda would make a great Spectre.  She's not xenophoebic and would make some good advances for humanity- with the RIGHT methods.

PS- This should have been Miranda's new outfit for ME3.

Modifié par dtrain24, 14 juin 2012 - 06:04 .

[hot_heart]

http://social.biowar...56/polls/35311/

Too many wrongbrains. Too many!

Modifié par hot_heart, 14 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[jtav]

Yeah, but right now things are so vague, that I've concocted a reasonably happy ending. If they flesh out the disastrous consequences, well...

[CrutchCricket]

The EC is a waste of time. Its purpose was already achieved when its announcement tore Retake/HTL a new one. The nerds were gaining media attention, it was time to silence them.

If you completely reject the endings like I do the EC is inconsequential.

But Ieldra's right about one thing this thread should be a refuge from the ****storm of the endings.

So... Miranda would make an awesome Spectre, Council's agenda be damned. Shepard was still doing odd jobs for Hackett, Vasir was working for the Shadow Broker I guess the Spectre office doesn't really give a damn about conflicts of interest. But like flemm said everybody and their mum's a Spectre these days so it doesn't mean much.

What I think would be fairly awesome is a "What if" story where instead of joining Cerberus Miranda becomes a Spectre. Though it would steal Shepard's thunder with the whole first human Spectre thing...

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 juin 2012 - 06:07 .

[Babi_Siha]

Yeah, flemm was right, too many Spectres already. Up till this day I don't know why Ash/Kaidan were worth of Spectre status. In my headcanon, after the war was over the Council revoked the VS Spectre status because it was Udina's idea and he only chose them so that Ash/Kaidan could protect Udina during the coup.

Edit: BTW, anyone else agree that Ash taking the Spectre job only proved how much of an hypocrite she is? In ME2 she states, again (because all those times mentioned in the first game weren't enough), that she doesn't like aliens and it's clear that she'll always have the Alliance interest at heart rather than the Council's. Bad move from the Council.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 14 juin 2012 - 06:22 .

[Vertigo_1]

hot_heart wrote...

http://social.biowar...56/polls/35311/

Too many wrongbrains. Too many!

Well that poll is from the same guy who said in this thread:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/12531884/1#12533850

StonedBatman wrote...

ME1 & ME3 were good because Miranda wasn't on the ship.

[CrutchCricket]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yeah, flemm was right, too many Spectres already. Up till this day I don't know why Ash/Kaidan were worth of Spectre status. In my headcanon, after the war was over the Council revoked the VS Spectre status because it was Udina's idea and he only chose them so that Ash/Kaidan could protect Udina during the coup.

Yeah for me Ashley willingly resigns, partly out of guilt, partly out of feeling out of place. She becomes an Alliance Admiral instead and has as much sway as Hackett or Anderson (this being quite a few years down the road)

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 juin 2012 - 06:23 .

[Skullheart]

It's nice to see how created one option for yes and three for no.

[hot_heart]

Heh. Makes sense why his poll is so skewed towards negative answers then, Vertigo. And the yes answer is 'because I'm a fanboy/girl'... <_<

More reason to sabotage it.

Modifié par hot_heart, 14 juin 2012 - 06:26 .

[Babi_Siha]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yeah, flemm was right, too many Spectres already. Up till this day I don't know why Ash/Kaidan were worth of Spectre status. In my headcanon, after the war was over the Council revoked the VS Spectre status because it was Udina's idea and he only chose them so that Ash/Kaidan could protect Udina during the coup.

Yeah for me Ashley willingly resigns, partly out of guilt, partly out of feeling out of place. She becomes an Alliance Admiral instead and has as much sway as Hackett or Anderson (this being quite a few years down the road)

I don't think she's worth of being an Admiral yet as well. Shepard has done much more than her or anyone else for that matter and he wasn't even promoted to Major or Captain or who knows what rank follows Lt. Commander - I know his situation was delicate, but he did postpone the Reapers invasion, so destroying that relay was the right thing to do. Also, I can just imagine Ash being an admiral, she would likely vote for kicking out all the aliens from Earth even if they can't get out because of the mass relays.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 14 juin 2012 - 06:29 .