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[dtrain24]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Yeah, flemm was right, too many Spectres already. Up till this day I don't know why Ash/Kaidan were worth of Spectre status. In my headcanon, after the war was over the Council revoked the VS Spectre status because it was Udina's idea and he only chose them so that Ash/Kaidan could protect Udina during the coup.

That's because Ashley was never worth of a Spectre status. Udina only gave it to her so she would protect him on the coup, as you said. And I made sure I told Ashley that when I had the chance.
"Gee, thanks for your support Commander."
Kind of hard to support you when I'm constantly being called a traitor by you.

Miranda would be a much better Spectre...but that goes without saying.

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
*snip*

Wow. This is truly impressive. Instant favorite!

Yeah, it is awesome

[CrutchCricket]

Babi_Siha wrote...
I don't think she's worth of being an Admiral yet as well. Shepard has done much more than her or anyone else for that matter and he wasn't even promoted to Major or Captain or who knows what rank follows Lt. Commander. Also, I can just imagine Ash being an admiral, she would likely vote for kicking out all the aliens from Earth even if they can't get out because of the mass relays.

Hmm a few things.

She would resign just a few days/weeks after the war is over once people start getting back on their feet out of guilt for her part in the coup and because she feels out of place in that kind of role. She then goes back to the Alliance. Fast forward through years of service helping rebuild and defend humanity's place she finally gets promoted to admiral and again over time gets similar prestige and respect to what Anderson and Hackett had- for her own efforts not for what she did under Shepard. Also the racist views are always overblown I think and I'm working with my own ending not the RGB bull****. The citadel is gone but the relays are still intact and the races are at each other's throats for wrongs committed during the war or before. In fact the council kind of breaks down anyway so Spectres aren't even recognized as such most of the time.

[Babi_Siha]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...
I don't think she's worth of being an Admiral yet as well. Shepard has done much more than her or anyone else for that matter and he wasn't even promoted to Major or Captain or who knows what rank follows Lt. Commander. Also, I can just imagine Ash being an admiral, she would likely vote for kicking out all the aliens from Earth even if they can't get out because of the mass relays.

Hmm a few things.

She would resign just a few days/weeks after the war is over once people start getting back on their feet out of guilt for her part in the coup and because she feels out of place in that kind of role. She then goes back to the Alliance. Fast forward through years of service helping rebuild and defend humanity's place she finally gets promoted to admiral and again over time gets similar prestige and respect to what Anderson and Hackett had- for her own efforts not for what she did under Shepard. Also the racist views are always overblown I think and I'm working with my own ending not the RGB bull****. The citadel is gone but the relays are still intact and the races are at each other's throats for wrongs committed during the war or before. In fact the council kind of breaks down anyway so Spectres aren't even recognized as such most of the time.

Yeah, that last part of my comment I wasn't being serious. She's a xenophobic but I know she wouldn't be so radical, though I can't really agree about the racist thing being overblown, Ash herself states she doesn't like aliens and with her dog/bear analogy sha makes very clear that if there were a human and an alien at risk and she could only save one of them she would save the human without giving a second thought. I think she has many years of service before being promoted admiral, ten years or so at least.

As of your ending idea, it seems much better than the RGB endings. Are you working on another comic or are you writing a fanfic?

[CrutchCricket]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Yeah, that last part of my comment I wasn't being serious. She's a xenophobic but I know she wouldn't be so radical, though I can't really agree about the racist thing being overblown, Ash herself states she doesn't like aliens and with her dog/bear analogy sha makes very clear that if there were a human and an alien at risk and she could only save one of them she would save the human without giving a second thought. I think she has many years of service before being promoted admiral, ten years or so at least.

As of your ending idea, it seems much better than the RGB endings. Are you working on another comic or are you writing a fanfic?

I don't consider her dog analogy particularly racist. It merely points out that we are more likely to care about something we can identify with and we identify with that which is like ourselves. It only seems ridiculous in the ME setting because every alien is so anthropomorphic. But even so, she's not saying "**** aliens". She's saying "humans naturally come first". Which we're plenty willing to accept in other forms *cough Cerberus *cough*.

As for my ending, yeah I have a whole new story I'd like to tell. I'd love to do a comic but I suck at art. Hopefully Rachel and the rest of the people I'm working with are willing to help.

[Dr. Doctor]

 @Asakawa

I'm liking the black and red suit. It reminds me of the Colossus armor from ME1.

As for dealing with the Synthesis ending:

Eden

Miranda: So this place is similar to the Geth Consensus?

Shepard: Sort of, the Consensus allows the various Geth runtimes to communicate and work together. We haven't had anything like that happen yet, you're the first person from the real-world we've had here.

Miranda: What about you? 

Shepard: (sighs) I'm stuck here, in order for this whole Synthesis thing to work I sort of had to give up my physical body.

Miranda: Well then, we'll just have to fix that.

Shepard: I don't think this is something that can be fixed.

Miranda: Why not? The Geth inhabit mobile platforms, there's no reason you can't do the same. 

Shepard: You wouldn't mind me having a flashlight head?

Miranda: (chuckles) I was thinking of bringing you back the way you were you ass. Lazarus was working with next to nothing before, there's no reason we can't do it again. 

Shepard: Good, I still have to find you.

[MisterJB]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Edit: BTW, anyone else agree that Ash taking the Spectre job only proved how much of an hypocrite she is? In ME2 she states, again (because all those times mentioned in the first game weren't enough), that she doesn't like aliens and it's clear that she'll always have the Alliance interest at heart rather than the Council's. Bad move from the Council.

And you don't think that might be why Udina wanted her to become one? There is a reason Spectres are only chosen from the Council Races, because their purpose is to keep them in power.
Shepard was the exception and even then, he was only chosen to give the impression the Council wasn't abandoning humanity despite the fact they completely were.

I don't like Spectres. And Miranda becoming a dog of the Council really isn't how I pictured her future. I'd much rather see her leading the Human STG with various human Spectres in her pocket.
It is still a great drawing, asakawa.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
I don't like Spectres. And Miranda becoming a dog of the Council really isn't how I pictured her future. I'd much rather see her leading the Human STG with various human Spectres in her pocket.

Why are you assuming she'd be their lapdog as a Spectre? Remeber Vasir?

"Yeah, sure. Council business" - as she did the Shadow Broker's dirty work.

Miranda's agenda wouldn't change, and the Council would be none the wiser.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 juin 2012 - 07:50 .

[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

And you don't think that might be why Udina wanted her to become one?

No, I think she was the most convenient choice for what he was planning. Also, while I agree that each Spectre has their own species as their main interest, it doesn't change the fact (sorry, my opinion) that Ash is a xenophobic and that if we look at her dialogues it seems unlikely that someone as close minded as her would ever accept that job, she doesn't like aliens and she's made clear that she hates the politics that comes with being involved with the Council.

So the way I see it, she's not as passionate about being a Spectre as she is with being an Alliance soldier, so the only reason I can think for her accepting Udina's choice is because of the power and the prestige that comes with being a Spectre.

[jtav]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 @Asakawa

I'm liking the black and red suit. It reminds me of the Colossus armor from ME1.

As for dealing with the Synthesis ending:

Eden

Miranda: So this place is similar to the Geth Consensus?

Shepard: Sort of, the Consensus allows the various Geth runtimes to communicate and work together. We haven't had anything like that happen yet, you're the first person from the real-world we've had here.

Miranda: What about you? 

Shepard: (sighs) I'm stuck here, in order for this whole Synthesis thing to work I sort of had to give up my physical body.

Miranda: Well then, we'll just have to fix that.

Shepard: I don't think this is something that can be fixed.

Miranda: Why not? The Geth inhabit mobile platforms, there's no reason you can't do the same. 

Shepard: You wouldn't mind me having a flashlight head?

Miranda: (chuckles) I was thinking of bringing you back the way you were you ass. Lazarus was working with next to nothing before, there's no reason we can't do it again. 

Shepard: Good, I still have to find you.

I mean this in the least creepy way pssible, but marry me?

[MisterJB]

Tela Vasir who clearly stated she was still loyal to the Council and did what she did for the greater good?
Regardless, who has more power? Tela Vasir or The Illusive Man? There is only so much Miranda and her group can do, so much they can grow before they are noticed by someone. At that point, Spectres status won't help much.

So, why shouldn't Miranda simply start her black ops group that will do the unpleasant things and expand humanity's influence with full deniability and skip being a Spectre all together?

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Tela Vasir who clearly stated she was still loyal to the Council and did what she did for the greater good?
Regardless, who has more power? Tela Vasir or The Illusive Man? There is only so much Miranda and her group can do, so much they can grow before they are noticed by someone. At that point, Spectres status won't help much.

So, why shouldn't Miranda simply start her black ops group that will do the unpleasant things and expand humanity's influence with full deniability and skip being a Spectre all together?

Well Vasir was a **** anyway and I was only using her as the most blantant example of nonexistant conflict of interest.

Final verdict: There is nothing that prevents Miranda from doing both.

[MisterJB]

I've just given you a reason she can't do both.

[CrutchCricket]

It's called a double life. Like if Vasir WAS the Shadow Broker (terrible thought, that).

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 14 juin 2012 - 08:06 .

[MisterJB]

Being a Cerberus agent and Alliance officer is one thing, it is manageable.
Being a Spectre and The Illusive Woman at the same time is not. And again, what is the point of being a Spectre? Better Miranda have dozens of human Spectres secretly working for her.
It's much more impressive.

[dtrain24]

MisterJB wrote...

Better Miranda have dozens of human Spectres secretly working for her.
It's much more impressive.

Hmm, if Miranda had dozens of human Spectres working for her, then what's the value of even having them? They might as well just be normal employees.
Dozens implying at least 24 human Spectres. That's insane. There were only 2 human Spectres until that point. Shepard, and the VS, even though the VS didn't exactly deserve or earn it.
So that would be like giving away Spectre jobs to humans as a walk in audition.

[MisterJB]

Humanity should be doing its best to outnumber the Spectres of the other species. Not complaining that someone who is not Shepard got the position.

[Ieldra]

Dr. Doctor wrote...
As for dealing with the Synthesis ending:

Eden

Miranda: So this place is similar to the Geth Consensus?

Shepard: Sort of, the Consensus allows the various Geth runtimes to communicate and work together. We haven't had anything like that happen yet, you're the first person from the real-world we've had here.

Miranda: What about you? 

Shepard: (sighs) I'm stuck here, in order for this whole Synthesis thing to work I sort of had to give up my physical body.

Miranda: Well then, we'll just have to fix that.

Shepard: I don't think this is something that can be fixed.

Miranda: Why not? The Geth inhabit mobile platforms, there's no reason you can't do the same. 

Shepard: You wouldn't mind me having a flashlight head?

Miranda: (chuckles) I was thinking of bringing you back the way you were you ass. Lazarus was working with next to nothing before, there's no reason we can't do it again. 

Shepard: Good, I still have to find you.

:)

[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

Humanity should be doing its best to outnumber the Spectres of the other species. Not complaining that someone who is not Shepard got the position.

Yes, humanity that only recently received a spot on the Council will have more Spectres than any other race, sure that will happen. Not only that will not happen anytime soon, but it's better to have few competent Spectres than lots of undeserving ones like the VS.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 14 juin 2012 - 08:34 .

[MisterJB]

Babi_Siha wrote...
Yes, humanity that only recently received a spot on the Council will have more Spectres than any other race, sure that will happen.

It's a good thing the humans of the ME universe are not conformists or we wouldn't have gained an embassy in less than ten years and Council membership in thirty.
Yes, humanity's membership is very recent but this is something we should take advantage of. We should grab hold of this small breach in our enemy's defenses and open it wide so doors can never be shut down in humanity's face again.
 

Not only that will not happen anytime soon, but it's better to have few competent Spectres than lots of undeserving ones like the VS.

Admitedelly, the VS is not a Shepard or a Saren but s/he is still a very competent soldier. If humanity can apoint 50 VSs to the Spectres, I'd say the chances of our opinions being heard increase by quite a lot.

[dtrain24]

Has the series ever even given a number of how many Spectres there are in total?

[Stalker]

dtrain:

All records of the Spectres are sealed and only granted access with permission of the Council. It is not even clear how many there are: Alliance intelligence estimates that there are fewer than a hundred.

[Asakawa]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 @Asakawa

I'm liking the black and red suit. It reminds me of the Colossus armor from ME1.

oy boy, I loved that armor set!

MisterJB wrote...
It is still a great drawing, asakawa.

thanks  

It's getting interesting to see all the opinions about spectres and Miranda being or not being one of them! Hooorray, one time that I got it right, haha!

Modifié par Asakawa, 14 juin 2012 - 09:20 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Being a Cerberus agent and Alliance officer is one thing, it is manageable.
Being a Spectre and The Illusive Woman at the same time is not. And again, what is the point of being a Spectre? Better Miranda have dozens of human Spectres secretly working for her.
It's much more impressive.

The point is that it can be done. Whether or not it is the most efficient is another question. And that depends on whether she focuses more on fieldwork or on management.

Operative focus: Spectre and Phoenix operative (just using the name, no reason it has to be the same type of organization as Cerberus just fullfilling some of the same goals.
Leadership focus: Head of organization and human councilor. I actually get a real kick out of imagining Miranda playing both sides Palpatine style (obviously minus the evil egomania).

[flemm]

Asakawa wrote...


It's getting interesting to see all the opinions about spectres and Miranda being or not being one of them! Hooorray, one time that I got it right, haha!

Agreed. It's not only a beautiful image, it's a discussion-starter