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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

IMHO, Miri is the Greatest character in the ENTIRE Mass Effect Series. She is Wonderful as a Character, Squad Mate, and LI. She was my VERY FIRST LI, and she is still my One And Only LI.

I love her Character Development. She is Beautiful, Intelligent, Strong, Competent, and MANY OTHER Great things.

I hope to see the Best in ME3.

[jtav]

I think Miranda does get written off as eyecandy. I think she's more complicated, even if I don't like what she represents.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

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Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:06 .

[Ieldra]

Silentmode wrote...

James2912 wrote...
Do you guys think that Miranda is the most underrated character in Mass Effect? Everybody just judges her on her looks, but she actually has a pretty interesting past and personality.

She's not underrated so much as written off. Just one look at her and she was already labeled. Same thing happened to Isabela in DA2. I consider both of them to be the deepest and most interesting characters in their respective games. But some people can't look past the surface to give them a chance.

Some people, yes. But I don't think it's most people. More people wrote her off because of her supposedly "b*tchy" behaviour at the first encounter or her association with Cerberus. At least that's the impression I got from the forums. 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:26 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't like it when people see Miri as just eye candy.

I don't see her as eye candy.

Yes, Miri is Stunningly Beautiful, but there is more to her than her Stunning Beauty.

There are MANY qualities that make Miri Truly Wonderful.:wub::wub:

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:15 .

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/BioWarePulse/status/94431775157272577

"Today at 1pm is #dragonage2 and at 2pm is #MassEffect3#biowarepulse we're even going to let you tweet your questions."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:22 .

[O Tucker]

what is that in UK time at 2pm at whatever?

[StefanBW]

http://www.timeandda...city.html?n=770

Count up to 14:00 hours.

Edit: bleh after reading other posts I'm not even sure anymore. :|

Modifié par stefanbw, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[TimberOwls]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Silentmode wrote...

James2912 wrote...
Do you guys think that Miranda is the most underrated character in Mass Effect? Everybody just judges her on her looks, but she actually has a pretty interesting past and personality.

She's not underrated so much as written off. Just one look at her and she was already labeled. Same thing happened to Isabela in DA2. I consider both of them to be the deepest and most interesting characters in their respective games. But some people can't look past the surface to give them a chance.

Some people, yes. But I don't think it's most people. More people wrote her off because of her supposedly "b*tchy" behaviour at the first encounter or her association with Cerberus. At least that's the impression I got from the forums. 

Actually, I didn't like the look of her at first (just gone straight from playing ME1, so my Shep was all about Ashly) but after seeing her shoot Wilson and then that conversation you have after meeting the Illusive Man for the first time, I was like "Yeah, she's gonna be a favourite I think". My favourite characters in games/stories are all for the complex and interesting personailty. Besides, it's nice to have a LI who's an equal, rather than someone swooning over macho Shepard.

[Vertigo_1]

Looks like another play through of the demo is happening on Gamespot now, but will be shown to us in an hour and a half (or so):

https://twitter.com/...443242443128832
"Behind the scenes live with @CaseyDHudson and @dawong1 on GameSpot! I'm playing and Casey's yacking!"

http://comic-con.gam...alendar;title;2

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Well what about here? Will I see the live stream here for ME3 at 5pm EST?

http://masseffect.bi...game/biowaretv/

[Silentmode]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Silentmode wrote...

James2912 wrote...
Do you guys think that Miranda is the most underrated character in Mass Effect? Everybody just judges her on her looks, but she actually has a pretty interesting past and personality.

She's not underrated so much as written off. Just one look at her and she was already labeled. Same thing happened to Isabela in DA2. I consider both of them to be the deepest and most interesting characters in their respective games. But some people can't look past the surface to give them a chance.

Some people, yes. But I don't think it's most people. More people wrote her off because of her supposedly "b*tchy" behaviour at the first encounter or her association with Cerberus. At least that's the impression I got from the forums. 

Yeah, I agree with that. Though there is no shortage of people, on this forum at least, who think they already know everything there is to know about a character after just one screenshot. Take James Vega for instance.

[Vertigo_1]

Silentmode wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Silentmode wrote...

James2912 wrote...
Do you guys think that Miranda is the most underrated character in Mass Effect? Everybody just judges her on her looks, but she actually has a pretty interesting past and personality.

She's not underrated so much as written off. Just one look at her and she was already labeled. Same thing happened to Isabela in DA2. I consider both of them to be the deepest and most interesting characters in their respective games. But some people can't look past the surface to give them a chance.

Some people, yes. But I don't think it's most people. More people wrote her off because of her supposedly "b*tchy" behaviour at the first encounter or her association with Cerberus. At least that's the impression I got from the forums. 

Yeah, I agree with that. Though there is no shortage of people, on this forum at least, who think they already know everything there is to know about a character after just one screenshot. Take James Vega for instance.

Ah yes Vega...I'm reserving judgement till we hear more about him.
It's easier to pass judgement quickly than to take time and get to know a character before you judge...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:57 .

[James2912]

Well then if Miri is not the most underrated ME character who is?

[TheMarshal]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Yes. It's getting overhauled into a oneshot after talking it out with my beta since I'm not actually interested in the science or the relationship, only in Miranda having to face failure as someone he cares about lays dying.

You have an unhealthy obsession with emotionally torturing Miranda. And IIRC, I have yet to see a reasonably happy ending

That's just 'cause she never finishes her stories 

[Melra]

James2912 wrote...

Well then if Miri is not the most underrated ME character who is?

I'd have to go with either Mordin, Jacob or Samara.

[Ieldra]

James2912 wrote...
Well then if Miri is not the most underrated ME character who is?

Jacob, easily.

If you forget the prize line, his romance is the most mature of them all. His middle romance conversations (he has two) are very good and relatable. If they hadn't overdone his "I don't want to talk about it" aspect and toned down his antagonism to certain decisions (Thane's recruitment comes to mind) he would continue to be likeable.

[wright1978]

Going by the polls i've seen I'll go with Grunt asthe most underrated as i think he's great.

[Td1984]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jtav wrote...
Yes. It's getting overhauled into a oneshot after talking it out with my beta since I'm not actually interested in the science or the relationship, only in Miranda having to face failure as someone he cares about lays dying.

You have an unhealthy obsession with emotionally torturing Miranda. And IIRC, I have yet to see a reasonably happy ending 

Which is why her title in the fan group is "Sadistic Miri torturer".

As for most underrated character in ME2, I'd agree on either Mordin or Jacob.

Modifié par Td1984, 22 juillet 2011 - 05:57 .

[Ieldra]

TimberOwls wrote...
Actually, I didn't like the look of her at first (just gone straight from playing ME1, so my Shep was all about Ashly) but after seeing her shoot Wilson and then that conversation you have after meeting the Illusive Man for the first time, I was like "Yeah, she's gonna be a favourite I think".

Isn't it amazing how much that conversation on Minuteman Station splits players down the middle? We love her for it, others hate her for it.

My favourite characters in games/stories are all for the complex and interesting personailty. Besides, it's nice to have a LI who's an equal, rather than someone swooning over macho Shepard.

Definitely, Let's hope that she keeps that aspect in ME3. There are already enough self-depreciating lines in her romance (less on the Renegade path, which is why I like it better). I'd like her to have the confidence that befits her abilities and leave the trauma of her childhood behind.

As for future developments: rather than pulling her down to the normal human standard (often misphrased as "making her human" - which usually means loading her up with flaws and problems until all her achievements and her genetic enhancements are negated - see the infertility), I'd rather see her serve as an example to pull humanity along to something new. Including but not limited to genetic enhancements.

(I should mention that Sci-Fi currently lacks positive visions of the future that don't amount to just preserving the status quo. I'd like Mass Effect to be different)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 22 juillet 2011 - 06:02 .

[sheperdhy]

i agree. Miranda is by far the best NPC of ME2.  i romanced her whilst palying as male shepard but i do hope there is an option where like your character can have like a sex change and you can play as female shepard in ME 3 whilst still continuing the romance with Miranda.

[jtav]

I'd like her to own her gifts. Intelligence, strength and beauty are good regardless of how she got them. No Harrison Berger treatment, please. I think the best thing is to leave "advancement of humanity" vague so that neither transhumanists no conservatives are throwing. things. Because Ieldra wants exactly what I don't.

[TimberOwls]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Isn't it amazing how much that conversation on Minuteman Station splits players down the middle? We love her for it, others hate her for it.

Definitely, Let's hope that she keeps that aspect in ME3. There are already enough self-depreciating lines in her romance (less on the Renegade path, which is why I like it better). I'd like her to have the confidence that befits her abilities and leave the trauma of her childhood behind.

As for future developments: rather than pulling her down to the normal human standard (often misphrased as "making her human" - which usually means loading her up with flaws and problems until all her achievements and her genetic enhancements are negated - see the infertility), I'd rather see her serve as an example to pull humanity along to something new. Including but not limited to genetic enhancements.

(I should mention that Sci-Fi currently lacks positive visions of the future that don't amount to just preserving the status quo. I'd like Mass Effect to be different)

It's the whole control chip thing I think. Personally, I thought that idea kinda makes sense if you're gonna spend that much money on performing something that hasn't been done before. Who's to say how Shepard would have reacted when he woke up. I guess it would have been like a back up plan. But I can understand (obviously) why people are annoyed by the suggestion, but that's no reason to brand someone as a 'b*tch'. I saw her as being a little cold, but it's understandable considering the circumstances. Plus I think I'd be a little annoyed if someone I hardly knew was asking all about my background and what not (though that might just be me...) I agree that it's strange one converstaion can have such a dramitc effect on a character's following. It's a shame that people brand her simply because of that moment. Miranda is a character who becomes more interesting as the story plays out, but if people already have it in their head that they don't like her, I think it's their loss.

I understand what you mean about 'making her human'. The infertility was completely out of the blue and a surprise for me.... But you don't need these traits to give her 'character development'...I don't want Miranda to be more human. I prefer calculated and confident over being all warm and emotional any day because that's just how I personally see her character.

And don't get me started on the Paragon romance....no thanks. I have to play it as a renegade.

(And as I read that line I heard 'don't get me started about unshackling a damned AI'...ha!)

Modifié par TimberOwls, 22 juillet 2011 - 06:25 .

[jtav]

I missed the chip comment the first time. I completely and utterly reject the mentality behind it. Miranda will always straddle the line between hero and villain. That's what makes her interesting.

[CaptREDKangaroo]

jtav wrote...

I missed the chip comment the first time. I completely and utterly reject the mentality behind it. Miranda will always straddle the line between hero and villain. That's what makes her interesting.

I think a fully Renegade Shep straddles this line far more than Miranda does,, and so do many characters... by the end of ME2 she's changed a bit, and isn't so blinded by Cerebus.

I don't think she's the most underrated char - based on this thread she has more pages than any ME2 char... her initial interactions just may be offputting at first, but that setups more change for the character.