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[Babi_Siha]

So guys, I decided to give it a try and I'm going to write that fanfic about Miranda's early days. So I'd like to ask for your opinion on a few detaisl.

First: How do yu think Miranda was when she was recruited? I don't think it was ever mentioned. I'm leaning towards 16.

Second: Do you think Miranda took Oriana before or after she joined Cerberus? And at what age was she taken? Maybe a year old. My idea is that Miranda took Oriana and she was recruited by Cerberus while on the run, protection to Oriana was their sell pitch.

Third: Who do you think would be most appropriate operative to have recruited her? I'm leaning towards Paul Grayson, but given his role in the organization I don't think it'd make sense. The other two choices I have are Oleg and Colonel Ashe.

And because first post of the page, here's Shep/Miranda

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 16 juin 2012 - 12:12 .

[dtrain24]

1) 16-18 would be my guess but no older than 18.
2) Miranda took her after, I'm sure. She wouldn't risk taking Oriana if she wasn't protected by the Cerberus. She probably wanted to ensure she didn't get backstabbed so she may have waited a few years until she earned TIM's trust. So not sure how old Miranda was when Ori was born. So I would say Ori was maybe one or two years old when Miranda rescued her.
3) Probably Oleg. It'd be interesting to see.

Modifié par dtrain24, 16 juin 2012 - 12:16 .

[MisterJB]

1-15-16

2- Before. This because Oriana was born while Miranda was 15-16 years old and I doubt they'd recruit her while she was younger.

3-Oleg Petrovsky. His moral ambiguity matches Miranda's. Also, Ashe doesn't seem old enough.

[hot_heart]

From what we hear in ME2, it sounds like Miranda went almost straight to Cerberus from her father. And, yeah, she ran away around 16.

Second point could vary maybe? It's worth keeping in mind that Oriana is nearly 19 at the time of ME2, while Miranda is 36 and has been with Cerberus for 20 years.

Since she approached Cerberus, I'm guessing she might have known someone through her father's involvement.

Of course, I could be wrong on some points but others here will shed some light too.

Here's the dialogue collection Vertigo used in creating his poster, which should help fill in some details as well as acquaint you with her 'voice'.

Ieldra's fic might provide some inspiration too, and it's a good read. Though I'm not 100% in agreeance with the Niket details, in that I couldn't see him ever helping Miranda's father like he does in ME2.

Modifié par hot_heart, 16 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...

Holy crap. That's the Miranda I wanted to see.

I really think this comic is overrated. Miranda infiltrating Sanctuary, fooling Leng and killing her father easily matches anything she has done in these two or three strips. The problem is, of course, that we didn't get to see much of it.
In my opinion, what Miranda lacks in the game is still not present in this comic. With that being said, I won't say no to Miranda being badass.

Modifié par MisterJB, 16 juin 2012 - 12:24 .

[Babi_Siha]

Thanks for the input, guys! I really appreciate it =D

@hot_heart Thanks for the links, I'll be sure to take a look at them.  You also saved me some trouble to go to YouTube looking for Miranda scenes.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 16 juin 2012 - 12:27 .

[hot_heart]

Babi_Siha wrote...
You also saved me some trouble to go to YouTube looking for Miranda scenes.

Admit it, you know you still want to watch them anyway.

[Babi_Siha]

hot_heart wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...
You also saved me some trouble to go to YouTube looking for Miranda scenes.

Admit it, you know you still want to watch them anyway.

Haha, maybe, if only because Sheploo is hot. Seriously though, I might just look at the dialogues, watching scenes from ME2 wil only heighten my depression from the fiasco it was the third game.

[MisterJB]

This artist created a reasonably accurate portrayal of what her joining might have looked like, I think.

[Babi_Siha]

MisterJB wrote...

This artist created a reasonably accurate portrayal of what her joining might have looked like, I think.

This looks great, thanks! :happy:

[o Ventus]

Lurking around dArt and I saw this little tidbit. Keeping it in link form because you could say it's NSFW.

[jtav]

Miranda came back for Ori after running, so she probably joined just before or just after that.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
In my opinion, what Miranda lacks in the game is still not present in this comic. With that being said, I won't say no to Miranda being badass.

I basically agree. Badassery is all well and good (certainly something I want to see), but... it's not really what makes Miranda unique.

[Babi_Siha]

jtav wrote...

Miranda came back for Ori after running, so she probably joined just before or just after that.

That's a good idea. So how about this, Miranda ran when she was 15-16, Oriana hasn't been created yet and about a year after she ran she contacted Niket who told her about Oriana. She comes back to kidnap her sister with Niket's help and soon after is approached by Oleg, Miranda doesn't like the idea originally because of her father's connection to Cerberus, but then Petrovsky promises to give a decent life away from Henry to Oriana.

[jtav]

As for the comic, I like the three issues I've read better than the game. Because I get to see her doing stuff. In game, what I see is her getting beaten by Leng. All her impressive stuff is narrated and has no impact on me because it comes off as "Yes, she's impressive. Really. Even though what we show is her obsessing over her sister."

She should have been a team member for Cronos. Hell, even just shown up.

[SpectresHonour]

[quote]Ieldra2 wrote...

[quote]SpectresHonour wrote...
[quote]Also, I'm a fanfic writer with an on going Miri series; After the Reapers: The Miranda Chronicles (http://www.fanfictio...anda_Chronicles) and I've got a question.

In the final Sanctuary scene, would it be IC for Henry to say that he knows about Miri & Shep? 'Cause I was planing on having X say something like "Not on my watch you're not!" to Lawson Senior when he threatens to finish what Leng started with Miri and then Henry tells them that he knows about them (via TIM) being a couple and that he raised his daughter to always desire the best. [/quote]
I would like such a scene. It's quite possible that Henry knows about them. I'll have a look at your fanfic.

[/quote]
Would he have found out on his own, or would TIM have said something to him?
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It's rather more likely that TIM found out and told him, but you can construct a situation where he found out on his own easily. All it would take is a slip-up by Miranda and Shepard in a place where they can be seen by one of Henry's spies or mercenaries. Or cameras.
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So something like Miri and X enjoying a night out on the town and getting snapped by the paparrazi (Emily Wong) and then said pics being posten on the Extranet? That could work eitherway, for TIM or for Lawson Senior.

Also, would TIM go after Oriana after Miri quit Cerberus (like an abduction atempt) to help Henry? (another WIP fic idea)

[jtav]

Heh, I just realized Miranda *is* an unintentional temptress figure. I'm a shameless metagamer, so I tend to find out results and craft the story with the end in mind. My Miranda romancing Sheps choose Synthesis, so I have to actively choose to forgo that imagined reunion. *whimpers*

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
She should have been a team member for Cronos. Hell, even just shown up.

Well, that goes without saying. Mordin's arc must end on Tuchanka, Tali's on Rannoch and Miranda's on Cronos.

That it doesn't is just bad writing on an astronomical level. This bad writing can be seen from space, we might have just let our existence be known to aliens through this bad writing.
That how bad this writing is. Hell, it's barely writing at all.
It's bad, bad, bad, bad, BAD. Fix it, please!

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
She should have been a team member for Cronos. Hell, even just shown up.

Hell yes. It's been said countless times, but it still bears repeating.

[jtav]

You know how I know it's bad? People who don't give two credits about Miranda noticed. She's a natural fit for EDI's role, more natural than EDI herself.

I almost can't believe they didn't have something planned. All that build up and effort for 25 points? Really?

Modifié par jtav, 16 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

You know how I know it's bad? People who don't give two credits about Miranda noticed. She's a natural fit for EDI's role, more natural than EDI herself.

In a sense, though I think Miranda should really add a layer, an option that isn't there otherwise. EDI is ok as the baseline. But anyway, it's bad, bad, BAD.

Modifié par flemm, 16 juin 2012 - 02:17 .

[jtav]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

You know how I know it's bad? People who don't give two credits about Miranda noticed. She's a natural fit for EDI's role, more natural than EDI herself.

In a sense, though I think Miranda should really add a layer, an option that isn't there otherwise. EDI is ok as the baseline. But anyway, it's bad, bad, BAD.

Well yeah *coughTIWcough* I'd have her argue with TIM the way she should have argued with her father. Then she says something pithy to Leng and we get the death of Cerberus and the birth of humanity's STG.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well yeah *coughTIWcough* I'd have her argue with TIM the way she should have argued with her father. Then she says something pithy to Leng and we get the death of Cerberus and the birth of humanity's STG.

The thing is, speaking not about what I want (which would obviously be Miranda joining up after Sanctuary), but purely about story coherence, Miranda being at cronos station is necessary because that's how the story is set up.

Had they set Miranda up as part of an independent operation on her own previously, then it would still be desirable, but not as necessary.

But what they've done is put Miranda in a position where she has every possible motivation (personal, professional, everything) to be there, and nothing to keep her from being there.

Which just makes it ridiculous.

Modifié par flemm, 16 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[jtav]

And, you know, Miranda is the only character where I have no idea what she's doing for the war effort.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...

And, you know, Miranda is the only character where I have no idea what she's doing for the war effort.

I guess we can infer that she is leading the team of operatives from the email. But it's pretty hazy overall.