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[jtav]

Sorry. Aggressor was a poor choice of words. Could you see her as the one in pursuit?

[srjepsen]

ENorman94 wrote...

Anyone watch the new machinima video about Miranda...its not funny -__-

I for one don't want to make her wait

[Skullheart]

dtrain24 wrote...

Things have been looking pretty grim here lately. I thought you all could use a good laugh.

Was I the only one who thought in printing this image and throw some darts (or/and knives) to it?

[almondroy]

If people had to do non-Shep pairings for shipping fic, I can't see any of the male humans on the ship in ME2 OR ME3 working for Miranda-they don't seem to be a really good fit at all personality wise. The reveal that Miranda is infertile really doesn't go into much detail as to whether she was completely sterile vs unable to carry a child to term in utero; if she couldn't have kids at all, I could see a post Suicide Mission relationship between some of the non-humans (specifically Garrus, Thane, or Samara) making a lot more sense than Kaiden/Miranda ever would from a shipping compatibility standpoint.

[Taboo]

 

jtav wrote...

Sorry. Aggressor was a poor choice of words. Could you see her as the one in pursuit?

 

I think it would take quite a bit of will power to get Miranda to have a relationship with you.

She wants a child, and was more than willing to sleep with a random stranger to do it.

She won't pursue a relationship, because until Shepard showed interest, she saw no need.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 19 juin 2012 - 12:45 .

[Babi_Siha]

jtav wrote...

Sorry. Aggressor was a poor choice of words. Could you see her as the one in pursuit?

Oh, sorry! Yeah, I think she could be, maybe she could use her assets to try to seduce Matt so that he would make the frst move or she could kiss him if the situation called for as long as she knew the feeling was mutual. I think it's possible.

[flemm]

Was I the only one who thought in printing this image and throw some darts (or/and knives) to it?

*snip*

To be truthful, I don't really like to think of it that way. Because ultimately it detracts from the extremely substantive and valid points we have made to focus on personal rancor.

I'm sure he's a decent guy. (But I understand what you mean, of course )

Modifié par flemm, 19 juin 2012 - 12:47 .

[MisterJB]

Liara and Kaidan make far more sense than Garrus or Samara.
Seriously, Samara? The woman with a black and white morality?

Taboo-XX wrote...
Miranda wants a family. A child. A husband.

That line doesn't exist.

[Taboo]

Yes she does. Were you not paying attention? Go watch the videos on Youtube and read the Shadow Broker files on her.

This isn't head canon.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes she does. Were you not paying attention? Go watch the videos on Youtube and read the Shadow Broker files on her.

This isn't head canon.

Tbh, it's not really clear. The SB dossier is a complete mess, and otherwise all we really know is that she wants Orianna to have those things.

Not that she shouldn't want them, necessarily.

Modifié par flemm, 19 juin 2012 - 12:52 .

[MisterJB]

I refuse to be an accomplice in the assassination of my favorite character.
Never happened!

[almondroy]

MisterJB wrote...

Seriously, Samara? The woman with a black and white morality?

Yes, seriously. It'd be challenging to write convincingly, but consider the following...

Samara came into being a Justicar fairly late in her lifecycle and has hinted at a fairly wild past before doing so. While she would undoubtedly have issues with Cerberus, as part of a redemption arc for Miranda in a story, there could be similarities in both of their life cycles.

Also, given Samara's reproductive issues (producing Ardat-Yashi), she would be in a unique position among all the crew to be able to sympathize with Miranda's fertility issues.

It would certainly make more sense than all the Liara/Miranda ship fics out there.

[Babi_Siha]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes she does. Were you not paying attention? Go watch the videos on Youtube and read the Shadow Broker files on her.

This isn't head canon.

Tbh, it's not really clear. The SB dossier is a complete mess, and otherwise all we really know is that she wants Orianna to have those things.

Not that she shouldn't want those things.

Well, from what I understood from the SB dossier, at the very least she wants a kid. The way I see it, the only reason she joined that date site is that so she could find a suitable, health mate,  in order to have a child.

[Taboo]

She says it if she dies apparently.

Oriana would have a faulty reproductive system as well. She's a genetic match yes?

I would have imagined that Miranda would have had normal development because if she hadn't she would have noticed.

That means the issue has either to do with the way cells form or how they get there.

A faulty uterus?

[Skullheart]

The Miranda from the SB dossiers and from ME3 isn't the same Miranda from ME2 (the real Miranda).

I don't see the Miranda who wants to work with people as smart as she is.

[MisterJB]

Hey, someone actually drew Miranda in that concept outfit I love so much! Sweet.


http://blacklion310....s effect&qo=128

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

She says it if she dies apparently.

Oriana would have a faulty reproductive system as well. She's a genetic match yes?

Well, that's partly what I mean when I say it's a complete mess. Yes, they are genetically identical. So, why does she expect Orianna to be able to have those things if she could not? And why couldn't Miranda have marriage? That's dumb.

What it is, really, is that around the time of LotSB they decided that Miranda would not be coming back on the squad (after no doubt some of the ugly arguments refered to by Weekes, I highly doubt Miranda wasn't a big part of this) and that they would therefore push her as a tragic romance.

The reason the whole infertility issue is only referenced in the death scene is because it was only ever introduced with that in mind in the first place.

It makes no sense at all outside of that, and had nothing to do with the character as originally imagined.

Modifié par flemm, 19 juin 2012 - 01:03 .

[Taboo]

No. I see something very revealing in that dossier.

A human being, with wants a desires. Very basic ones.

That's who she is. A human being. Everything else is a facade.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

No. I see something very revealing in that dossier.

A human being, with wants a desires. Very basic ones.

That's who she is. A human being. Everything else is a facade.

Well, she was always a human being with wants and desires. That is a non-issue, of course. The LotSB creates a situation where she nonsensically cannot have the things she desires. Big difference.

Modifié par flemm, 19 juin 2012 - 01:03 .

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...

She says it if she dies apparently.

And it was the final nail in the coffin, finally proving what some already suspected. That Miranda's fans and her writers just are not on the same page.

[Taboo]

flemm wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

No. I see something very revealing in that dossier.

A human being, with wants a desires. Very basic ones.

That's who she is. A human being. Everything else is a facade.

Well, she was always a human being with wants and desires. That is a non-issue, of course. The LotSB creates a situation where she nonsensically cannot have the things she desires. That is a different thing entirely.

It makes a great deal of sense. What you list above is not applicable.

It isn't a tragic romance. It's a driving force behind who she is.

She cannot have a child. That is is beyond difficult for a woman to hear. She cannot give life, a basic function. As someone who is "perfect" she is incapable of something basic.

It has nothing to do with her dying. It's a very tragic aspect to her character.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 19 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[jtav]

I refuse to be complicit either. I don't mind Miranda wanting kids. I mind the dossier being written in a moralizing and misogynistic manner. So my LOTSB-ME3 goes something like this. Miranda is infertile. Miranda has had casual sex. Oriana was kidnapped. Miranda went to Sanctuary with a partial intent of rescuing Ori. Those are the only facts I will acknowledge. If I had to take the character as intended, I'd kill her on principle. And be upset I couldn't spit on the corpse. She is a lazy cliche in ME3 and I refuse to acknowledge her more than necessary. I want the...impostor erased.

[flemm]

Taboo-XX wrote...

She cannot have a child. That is is beyond difficult for a woman to hear. She cannot give life, a basic function. As someone who is "perfect" she is incapable of something basic.

It has nothing to do with her dying. It's a very dark aspect to her character.

It could have been used in an interesting way. In that sense I actually agree. In a number of interesting ways. But it wasn't.

The reality is closer to what jtav and JB are suggesting.

Modifié par flemm, 19 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[almondroy]

I agree with the assessment that Miranda wanted to be a mother. My interpretation of the SB dossier is that she was basically looking for "donors" to father said child. None of those iPartner ads read as anything but attempted booty calls (for the explicit purpose of attempting to get pregnant) to me. She's not interested in dating any of those people, it's more of a "Be at X place at Y time and physical things will happen" situation. Anytime any of the other people attempt to get to know her or ask questions, she terminated the connection. From this, it would seem that she is totally prepared and willing to be a kick-ass single mother. It's only in the event of Shepard showing interest AND proving himself on and off the battlefield that the idea of a relationship seems to enter the equation. That's why I don't agree with the husband supposition for ME2.

Modifié par almondroy, 19 juin 2012 - 01:09 .

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...
That's who she is. A human being. Everything else is a facade.

...

Let's compromise and say that the Miranda who wanted to implant a control chip in Shepard's head is as real as the Miranda who asked him multiple times not to die.