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[Dr. Doctor]

I'm not fond of the whole "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from something that will come back to bite us" philosophy behind Reaper tech. The Relays work extremely well, there's no reason to ignore them or destroy them just because they're built by the Reapers, technology isn't inherently good or evil it all depends on how its used.

[Asakawa]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm not fond of the whole "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from something that will come back to bite us" philosophy behind Reaper tech. The Relays work extremely well, there's no reason to ignore them or destroy them just because they're built by the Reapers, technology isn't inherently good or evil it all depends on how its used.

what was thane's line about his assassin philosophy? He is just a weapon, who wields it chooses it's target? Pretty much like that!

[Taboo]

Well, it's not up to us.

Bioware can decide that a high EMS doesn't kill the Geth. I can hear Ieldra right now in Germany yelling loudly in German at his monitor if that happens.

I have no idea what Bioware is going to do.

Destroy SHOULD have some sort of repercussion, because not having one would invalidate the other choices.

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
You want a "karma ending", see inFamous 2.

I'd like to point out that you appear to be unreceptive to thematic considerations like the one jtav pointed out. Of course these are not the only considerations possible, but IMO there must be one ending based on the often-repeated notion that galactic civilization must be free of the Reapers' legacy - all of it - in order to find its own path. *I* don't believe that - that's a part of why I'll never choose Destroy - but it is nonetheless thematically fitting.

@Taboo:
Destroy and Synthesis are placed on opposite sides of the Romanticism vs. Enlightenment divide. And yeah, I will yell if all downsides are removed from Destroy. From that point onwards, I'll propose the idea that Shepard lives after Synthesis until people get sick of it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 21 juin 2012 - 05:16 .

[hot_heart]

Thing with the relays is that it is not 'us' who decides. If the starpeople say "NO, THEY GOTTA ASPLODE" then they gotta asplode.

Also, I could see Miranda as a flirty drunk or at least more friendly. You can see that dry quips and being forthright are present when sober. She represses a lot normally, so drunkenness could relax that. She does blurt out the 'love' stuff in ME2 and she was sober (or was she?!)

Then again, it could go the opposite direction and she clams up even more.

[Taboo]

Ah, but you romanticize Synthesis. You may be enlightened but you romanticize it. Both present the possibility for a new world. Right now however, Destroy appears to be Luddite and Synthesis something else.

We were talking about Anarcho-Communism the other day, Heeden and myself. His interpretation placed a value on self labeled "super space communism". That would be great if people arrived at that conclusion on their own.

I'm on the left side of the political line and I find that offensive. You cannot achieve this without some form of forced repression OR oppression.

You and I both know what Noam Chompsky would say about Synthesis and Destroy.

[Ieldra]

My screenshots vanished in the flurry of posts

Miranda is not amused.....

[Taboo]

You might say I'm Amused to Death.

Rewards for whoever gets that reference.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 21 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[Asakawa]

Ieldra2 wrote...

My screenshots vanished in the flurry of posts

Miranda is not amused.....

Yeah, that kinda happens a lot to a bunch of things actually! =/

gotta love her traditional shooting pose XD

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm not fond of the whole "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from something that will come back to bite us" philosophy behind Reaper tech. The Relays work extremely well, there's no reason to ignore them or destroy them just because they're built by the Reapers, technology isn't inherently good or evil it all depends on how its used.

Exactly. The trap isn't the relays themselves it's the complacency of relying on them without further development. The best ending would have them intact but show the races making progress on FTL, either by building their own relays or through the development of better shipboard FTL.

Ieldra2 wrote...
I'd like to point out that you appear to be unreceptive to thematic considerations like the one jtav pointed out. Of course these are not the only considerations possible, but IMO there must be one ending based on the often-repeated notion that galactic civilization must be free of the Reapers' legacy - all of it - in order to find its own path. *I* don't believe that - that's a part of why I'll never choose Destroy - but it is nonetheless thematically fitting.

I stand by my "see inFamous2" statement. That ending has the thematic consideration you speak of but it fits in that story (and its themes) and is logically woven into the plot. Such has no buisness in ME3's ending. And even if I wanted to ignore logic and common sense here's another thematic consideration that trumps the one you're referring to: the mass relays are a symbol of the ME universe itself. Long before we encounter the Reapers and overcoming the cycle and learn to win by sticking together and all that crap, there's these giant railgun looking things in space, larger than life and more iconic of Mass Effect than literally any other imagery.  For that reason alone touching them should be unthinkable.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 juin 2012 - 05:28 .

[enayasoul]

CrutchCricket wrote...

You want a "karma ending", see inFamous 2. But enough of this, thread derailing, sanity escaping... Back to Miranda.

Back when she was under her father's rule, we know he didn't allow her much of a social life. I imagine most of her time was spent in studies, striving to be perfect. But when she did have a reprieve what hobbies/ secret pleasures do you think she had?

I think she'd be a book worm or maybe wanting to learn all about history... human or alien... Some kind of literature that makes her think and expand her mind.

[dtrain24]

Td1984 wrote...

flemm wrote...

Well, you can't go wrong with the SM as a choice. But for me two of the most memorable moments are meeting Miranda and Mordin. Miranda's intro is awesome, and I love Mordin's explanation of why it makes sense that he is a doctor and a badass.

My two most memorable moments: meeting Miranda and watching the Allied fleets come pouring through the Charon Relay and engage the Reapers (goosebump time- Reapers gonna get reaped)

Missions: Suicide Mission and the final battle on Earth (up until the beam up to the Citadel- after that I try and forget what happened)

Ah, memorable moments? I'd have to say becoming a Spectre, curing the Genophage, meeting Miranda, and riding the Mako to the Conduit before it closes are up there. 

Modifié par dtrain24, 21 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[dtrain24]

[quote]CrutchCricket wrote...

Back when she was under her father's rule, we know he didn't allow her much of a social life. I imagine most of her time was spent in studies, striving to be perfect. But when she did have a reprieve what hobbies/ secret pleasures do you think she had?[/quote]
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I would say playing with her biotics (who here wouldn't have fun trying to blow things up with biotics?), and trying to sneak out of the house to salvage some sort of social life for herself.

Modifié par dtrain24, 21 juin 2012 - 05:53 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

And yeah, I will yell if all downsides are removed from Destroy. From that point onwards, I'll propose the idea that Shepard lives after Synthesis until people get sick of it.

And i'll yell if control gets relay easy reactivation without a replacement sacrifice and both other endings get all relays destroyed.



As to my favourite moments. Suicide mission as a very long moment but in particular Miranda pulling Shep to safety. Shep waking up half dead and seeing Miranda. So many other moments in ME2, too many to list. From ME1 crashing the mako into the citadel through the conduit sticks out in my mind.

[CrutchCricket]

Ugh...blood pressure rising. Here:

CrutchCricket wrote...

Well I did mean what I said earlier- if you want a choice to be picked, be positive about it and give more incentive to do so. Destroy seems to mean unambiguous victory. But the others can have different rewards. For example I actually like (in a pure hypothetical case where I throw everything else out the window) Control because I envision Shepard transcending as a nigh-godlike Reaper shared consciousness and leaving to explore the cosmos with all the powers that entails. I'd hope they wouldn't take that from me. But emphasizing something like that, a different kind of victory might make people pick a choice for the right reasons and not just because they want to avoid unnecessary bull****.

Short answer: Make all choices good, don't just **** on one so the others look less like crap.

[CrutchCricket]

dtrain24 wrote...
I would say playing with her biotics (who here wouldn't have fun trying to blow things up with biotics?), and trying to sneak out of the house to salvage some sort of social life for herself.

enayasoul wrote...
I think she'd be a book worm or maybe wanting to learn all about history... human or alien... Some kind of
literature that makes her think and expand her mind.

Thank you! Less talk of arbitrary ending bull**** and more talk of Miranda makes CrutchCricket very happy!

I agree with both of these. A while ago we all liked fencing as a hobby of present Miranda. But I think she wouldn't have to be secretive about that one, as it is fairly high-class, good excercise etc. Come to think of it, she wouldn't have to hide classic literature either. But if she was also reading...comics let's say?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 21 juin 2012 - 06:07 .

[enayasoul]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

@enayasoul

President Huerta suffered from a stroke that left him brain-dead. The official story was that he had made a full recovery when in fact he had been implanted with a sophisticated VI system that handled his brain functions along with a backup copy of his memories. He ends up being thrown out of office for being partially synthetic after a trial by the Systems Alliance. Of course this is all from the Cerberus Daily News, the games don't discuss this at all outside of Shepard's "Maybe I'm just an advanced VI that thinks it's Commander Shepard" line on Cronos.

What's strange is that the tech used to bring Huerta back sounds like a more primitive version of the Lazarus Procedure. It would have been interesting for there to be a video log on Cronos that showed the operation performed on Huerta as a prototype version of the process that brought Shepard back.

That does sound a lot like what *could* have happened to Shepard or perhaps a version of it like you mentioned.  Miranda said she had to work with a lot of "black boxes"... That still confuses me a bit when I hear it being used or said.  It could be those memories where Miranda had to establish pathways in the brain to reference them?  *shrug*  Yeah, having the VI system handle the brain functions is plausible.  Hmm...  very interesting take on it.

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You might say I'm Amused to Death.

Rewards for whoever gets that reference.

Either it's Neil Postman or Roger Waters. 

[Dr. Doctor]

enayasoul wrote...

That does sound a lot like what *could* have happened to Shepard or perhaps a version of it like you mentioned.  Miranda said she had to work with a lot of "black boxes"... That still confuses me a bit when I hear it being used or said.  It could be those memories where Miranda had to establish pathways in the brain to reference them?  *shrug*  Yeah, having the VI system handle the brain functions is plausible.  Hmm...  very interesting take on it.

It would have been neat to get a more in-depth understanding of what the Lazarus Project actually did to bring Shepard back, but I get the feeling that the writers left it ambiguous to prevent a "space magic" explanation.

[dtrain24]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Thank you! Less talk of arbitrary ending bull**** and more talk of Miranda makes CrutchCricket very happy!

I agree with both of these. A while ago we all liked fencing as a hobby of present Miranda. But I think she wouldn't have to be secretive about that one, as it is fairly high-class, good excercise etc. Come to think of it, she wouldn't have to hide classic literature either. But if she was also reading...comics let's say?

Hahah *cue Dr. Doctor's dialogue*
Fencing would be interesting, but I'd like to see her and Shepard duke it out.

So say if Miranda successfully snuck out of the house, what would she do to make a social life for herself? I don't see her as a daily bar resident (well she wouldn't be old enough to drink either). I think she'd go to the mall often because of her fascination with fashion. She would want to try and fit into society like normal girls.

Modifié par dtrain24, 21 juin 2012 - 06:23 .

[Taboo]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You might say I'm Amused to Death.

Rewards for whoever gets that reference.

Either it's Neil Postman or Roger Waters. 

It's Roger Waters.

I have nothing to give you but gratitude.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

If the future still had things like FBI, CIA, CSI, and SWAT, which one would fit Miri the most? Would it be CIA (Like her TV "Counterpart" Sarah Walker)?

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[Taboo]

I've never seen Miss Strahovski act. I have no idea how to conceptualize that. I'd venture to guess the role in Chuck is a bit different than Mass Effect.

In truth, I'd see her as a CEO of a company.

But in your description, she'd be FBI. Investigation would be a great utilization of her skills.

[fiendishchicken]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

If the future still had things like FBI, CIA, CSI, and SWAT, which one would fit Miri the most? Would it be CIA (Like her TV "Counterpart" Sarah Walker)?

She'd be along the lines of CIA and DARPA. The CIA is an independent agency that for the most part answers only to itself and the executive branch. DARPA meanwhile handles new technology and R&D. But there's a fair bit of leeway there. Miranda isn't so much a special agent or spy like Sarah. While she is fully capable of doing those kinds of missions and undoubtedly has in the past, she also has a very capable brain that would be incredibly more useful in a leadership and scientific field. 

[fiendishchicken]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I've never seen Miss Strahovski act. I have no idea how to conceptualize that. I'd venture to guess the role in Chuck is a bit different than Mass Effect.

In truth, I'd see her as a CEO of a company.

But in your description, she'd be FBI. Investigation would be a great utilization of her skills.

Another ignorant Chuckster waiting to get out. We'll get you all prepped for it.  I started ME2 not really knowing who Yvonne was, having only seen an episode or two in passing, and came out a huge ass Chuck fan. Chuck is (I refuse to say was because I know it will come back someday...) a great TV show. It is probably the best blend of Action, Comedy, and Drama I've ever seen on television. And it is so well acted. Even when a lot of the plotlines (i.e. some of season 3, a lot of 4, and nearly all of 5) just got plain stinky bad, the cast always gave it their all. And the Chuck/Sarah relationship is the most heartfelt and realistic romance I've ever seen. It has it's ups and downs, serious tender moments and fluffy lighthearted moments, and damn I'm really starting to sound like a wussy. Chuck is to me what Mass Effect is to me for gaming. The combination of Miranda, Sarah Walker, and Yvonne has pretty much killed my interest in women as well.