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[Taboo]

To make it more successful they made her take off clothes. I know it sound stupid but that's why it's there. From what I understand the only reason it lasted as long as it did was because of the fanbase's attachment to it. That doesn't mean much.

I think she'll be fine, but Hollywood is fickle. The next Miss Strahovski is just around the corner.

That's how this works.

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

Seriously I don't care, as long as she plays interesting characters. And I've seen far more interesting roles for women in tv shows than movies recently.

Very true.

[Skullheart]

My hope for strahovski is to be a nice victim in Dexter.

[Taboo]

I hate Dexter. Absolutely everything it represents is what is WRONG with American television.

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Seriously I don't care, as long as she plays interesting characters. And I've seen far more interesting roles for women in tv shows than movies recently.

Very true.

Oh and I also wouldn't mind more VA (especially for amazing characters like Miranda).

Modifié par Yannkee, 21 juin 2012 - 10:09 .

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...


Oh and I also wouldn't mind more VA (especially for amazing characters like Miranda).

I didn't realize she had done another game, but I gather she did at some point (never played it).

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

She played the English Voice of the Main Character in the Square-Enix Game "3rd Birthday," but Miri was the only time when Yvonne was allowed to use her Native Accent, so far.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[Babi_Siha]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I hate Dexter. Absolutely everything it represents is what is WRONG with American television.

And I suppose in your mind Gossip Girl, 90210 and Glee represent everything that's right? I'd love to see what you find so wrong about Dexter, but I think your answer will lie somewhere between killing, blood, sex, swearing...

Yvonne's character will probably be a normal person with a creepy personality waiting to come out.

[Taboo]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I hate Dexter. Absolutely everything it represents is what is WRONG with American television.

And I suppose in your mind Gossip Girl, 90210 and Glee represent everything that's right? I'd love to see what you find so wrong about Dexter, but I think your answer will lie somewhere between killing, blood, sex, swearing...

Yvonne's character will probably be a normal person with a creepy personality waiting to come out.

Glee is even worse than Dexter.

I'm far more liberal than you are.

I simply have no time for romanticism of serial killers. I know people who have worked on the show. He's seen as a hero, or anti-hero to some.

There's nothing remotely heroic about someone who tracks people down, straps them to a table and then kills them. It doesn't matter if they are criminals themselves.

Have you ever seen the Ted Bundy tapes? We watched hours of them when I was in College. There's nothing remotely entertaining about them. It's one of the most horrific things I've ever seen. People quit the course AND their major after viewing the tapes. One girl left the room crying because she couldn't handle Bundy talking about what he liked to do to women. The worst part was the part where he talked about the pleasure.

It's not something that should be glamorized. They gloss over tha nature in the show. I've read two of the books as well, those are just as bad.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 21 juin 2012 - 11:59 .

[Taboo]

And believe me. Sex infinitely BETTER than violence.

I would prefer that instead of violence. Have you ever been out of the country? Once you get to Europe the ideas change.

[dtrain24]

This thread needs some Miranda

[Babi_Siha]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I hate Dexter. Absolutely everything it represents is what is WRONG with American television.

And I suppose in your mind Gossip Girl, 90210 and Glee represent everything that's right? I'd love to see what you find so wrong about Dexter, but I think your answer will lie somewhere between killing, blood, sex, swearing...

Yvonne's character will probably be a normal person with a creepy personality waiting to come out.

Glee is even worse than Dexter.

I'm far more liberal than you are.

I simply have no time for romanticism of serial killers. I know people who have worked on the show. He's seen as a hero, or anti-hero to some.

There's nothing remotely heroic about someone who tracks people down, straps them to a table and then kills them. It doesn't matter if they are criminals themselves.

Have you ever seen the Ted Bundy tapes? We watched hours of them when I was in College. There's nothing remotely entertaining about them. It's one of the most horrific things I've ever seen. People quit the course AND their major after viewing the tapes. One girl left the room crying because she couldn't handle Bundy talking about what he liked to do to women. The worst part was the part where he talked about the pleasure.

It's not something that should be glamorized. They gloss over tha nature in the show. I've read two of the books as well, those are just as bad.

Dexter haters are usually prudes, that's why I mentioned what's bolded. It's a freaking show, it's not based on any serial killer in particular. If you can't tell the difference between fiction and reality that's your problem, not the show's. Weeds is also a TV Show, but in your vision it's bad because the protagonist is a pot dealer? Is that the logic from now on, the protagonists must be those annoying goody two shoes that never do anything wrong and judge the people who do in order to educate moral values to the watchers?

I don't agree with you at all, Dexter is meant for entertainment, not for creatin serial killers. And of you hate the show for the reasons you stated above, you're not nearly as liberal as you think you are.

[dtrain24]

Also if anyone wants to play some ME3 MP with me on Xbox, that would be fun. Just send me a party/game invite. (dtrain2495)

[Babi_Siha]

dtrain24 wrote...

Also if anyone wants to play some ME3 MP with me on Xbox, that would be fun. Just send me a party/game invite. (dtrain2495)

I'll start playing on the Xbox, though it might take a while to do gold runs. You need to start playing on the PC as well

[Taboo]

I never said it was making serial killers. Inattentive mothers do that. You do not become a sociopath by watching a television program. I merely do not like how it glosses things over.

Sex? I headed a discussion on whether explicit sex was viable in films. I was for it. I wrote an essay on a film called In the Realm of the Senses. It was read world wide.

Violence? Acceptable in the context of the story. I do not care if Dexter is violent.

The issue is how it glosses things over.

Please do not put words in my mouth or straw man the argument. I apologize for any confusion.

[MisterJB]

Taboo-XX wrote...
I simply have no time for romanticism of serial killers. I know people who have worked on the show. He's seen as a hero, or anti-hero to some.

There's nothing remotely heroic about someone who tracks people down, straps them to a table and then kills them. It doesn't matter if they are criminals themselves.

Have you ever seen the Ted Bundy tapes? We watched hours of them when I was in College. There's nothing remotely entertaining about them. It's one of the most horrific things I've ever seen. People quit the course AND their major after viewing the tapes. One girl left the room crying because she couldn't handle Bundy talking about what he liked to do to women. The worst part was the part where he talked about the pleasure.

It's not something that should be glamorized. They gloss over tha nature in the show. I've read two of the books as well, those are just as bad.

I have never watched the show and I do not claim to have an understanding of a psycothic mind. However, from what I understand, Dexter is about a sociopatic serial killer who was able to control his murderous instincts and turn them only on those who deserve to die, that is, other serial killers.
Would it be preferable if Dexter didn't have a "Dark Passenger"? Mayhaps but I find it commendable he worked to achieve a control over his actions.

[flemm]

dtrain24 wrote...

This thread needs some Miranda

*snip*

Agreed

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
 However, from what I understand, Dexter is about a sociopatic serial killer who was able to control his murderous instincts and turn them only on those who deserve to die, that is, other serial killers.

The potential problem with that idea is that it is likely just a contrivance that allows for the glorification of his actions. This is similar to what we see in certain Hollywood films, where the "hero" basically behaves as a total sociopath, glorifying in the blood of his victims, while simultaneously being given absolution for his crimes because they happen to be directed against characters who have been identified as the "bad guys."

I don't watch the show, but I can see how that would likely be the problem. Basically, ask yourself: why isn't this show just about a normal serial killer? And: is it really about a psychopath finding a productive outlet for his psychosis (is this even possible?), or about fantasy fulfillment?

Modifié par flemm, 22 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[CrutchCricket]

Fantasy fulfillment are the magic words when it comes to entertainment and whether people accept it or not, we each have our dark sides. For some the darkness is more dominant. So yes, combine a fantasy outlet for the darkness with Acceptable Targets and it can be very intoxicating indeed.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 01:28 .

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Fantasy fulfillment are the magic words when it comes to entertainment and whether people accept it or not, we each have our dark sides. For some the darkness is more dominant. So yes, combine a fantasy outlet for the darkness with Acceptable Targets and it can be very intoxicating indeed.

I wasn't necessarily condemning it.

You're right, the appeal of a pretty big chunk of entertainment is that it is *transgressive*: it allows you to experience things that are normally forbidden. Roleplaying games do this, in Mass Effect certain Renegade actions especially are basically like that: you get to be that badass, whereas in real life you need to be polite and fill out the forms.

So... it is what it is. I haven't seen Dexter, so I'm not sure what my opinion of it would be. Maybe I would find it to be a sort of *Guilty Pleasure*, or something along those lines. If it is sufficiently self-aware, it could work like that.

Sometimes it's a matter of how it's presented or handled.

Modifié par flemm, 22 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[dtrain24]

Haha guys! I thought I should share this with you all!

[MisterJB]

Old and clearly made by someone who doesn't understand the Catalyst or is incapable of looking at things from someone else's perspective.
The Reapers don't kill organics. They preserve them in Reaper form which they do not see as death. It's not circular logic.

[CrutchCricket]

Ugh... yeah I've seen that before and it is a good chuckle. But if it's all the same to you I'd rather try and keep this thread as a refuge from the endings. There's enough of that crap to deal with in the story and campaign, to say nothing of the veil that even now saps my enjoyment of ME and keeps me from replaying anything but the multiplayer.

Edit: ****, too late.

JB let me melt you into a fine paste then stick what's left in a toaster. It's not death, I'm preserving you from getting hit by a car next week<_<

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 01:36 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Edit: ****, too late.
JB let me melt you into a fine paste then stick what's left in a toaster. It's not death, I'm preserving you from getting hit by a car next week<_<

Obviously, life is more than conscience however, whether I agree with it or not is irrelevant to this discussion. The Catalyst does not see it as death and it believes is preferable to the inevitable genocide at synthetic hands.
So, from its point of view, it makes sense. Therefore, it is not circular logic.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
So, from its point of view, it makes sense. Therefore, it is not circular logic.

No, but it might still be a dumb idea

I get that there are arguments to be made that it could actually be a solid foundation for a story, but... there's such a big problem with how it's presented that I don't think it really matters.

Modifié par flemm, 22 juin 2012 - 01:46 .