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[CrutchCricket]

Doesn't matter what it thinks. What matter is what is. And what it is is a lot of killbots killing organics so killbots don't kill organics. Even if the killbots stop to suck up some human slurpees every now and again it doesn't make it any less retarded.

Ugh.. alright new page. Miranda. We like Miranda right? Miranda makes sense. Let's talk about her some more.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 01:48 .

[flemm]

Well, to begin with, everything we see over the course of the story contradicts the idea that organics and synthetics must inevitably destroy one another.

For such a concept to work, the story would have to at least make the problem of conflict between synthetic life and organic life seem like an utterly insoluble one. But instead, it makes it seem like that particular problem can solve itself just fine.

CrutchCricket wrote...
Ugh.. alright new page. Miranda. We like Miranda right? Miranda makes sense. Let's talk about her some more.

*Snip*

Yep

Modifié par flemm, 22 juin 2012 - 01:51 .

[dtrain24]

Pure beauty

[CrutchCricket]

So Miranda walks into a bar...

Actually that reminds me. She has a line about Chora's Den if I'm not mistaken. What would she have gone in there for? Certainly not the entertainment. I think she might've been meeting an informant (or a Shadow Broker agent) to get information about an assignment. That sounds like a good premise.

[dtrain24]

CrutchCricket wrote...

So Miranda walks into a bar...

Actually that reminds me. She has a line about Chora's Den if I'm not mistaken. What would she have gone in there for? Certainly not the entertainment. I think she might've been meeting an informant (or a Shadow Broker agent) to get information about an assignment. That sounds like a good premise.

Yeah something like she's glad it never re-opened because it was a dirty place and she likes Dark Star better for R&R.
And no, not for entertainment because of the way she bad mouthed it. Probably as you said Crutch, something for one of her Cerberus assignments to meet an agent over a drink.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Doesn't matter what it thinks. What matter is what is. And what it is is a lot of killbots killing organics so killbots don't kill organics. Even if the killbots stop to suck up some human slurpees every now and again it doesn't make it any less retarded.

Just because organics will see the Harvest as death, it doesn't mean all life forms would share that perspective.
So, what it is is a lot of killbots preserving organic minds in a different form of life to prevent other killbots from killing them. Everything is a matter of perspective.

[CrutchCricket]

Oh man, yeah, now I'm remembering the Dark Star. They had a dance floor where you could dance if you wanted to. But I remember Flux in ME, if you were able to position your squadmates right you could "dance with them" i.e. they'd be dancing too. Tried that with Miranda in Dark Star. No such luck:(

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[MisterJB]

Miranda doesn't really strike me as someone who would dance in a club, anyways.
She would be more at home in a party akin to Hock's.

[dtrain24]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Oh man, yeah, now I'm remembering the Dark Star. They had a dance floor where you could dance if you wanted to. But I remember Flux in ME, if you were able to position your squadmates right you could "dance with them" i.e. they'd be dancing too. Tried that with Miranda in Dark Star. No such luck:(

I know.
Miranda just stands still. I wish there was an option to choose dances. If there was an option to have Shepard do the "Renegade dance" from Samara's loyalty mission...heh.
Why do you think Miranda never dances? (And don't say because no squadmates dance, not the answer I'm looking for, haha)

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
Just because organics will see the Harvest as death, it doesn't mean all life forms would share that perspective.
So, what it is is a lot of killbots preserving organic minds in a different form of life to prevent other killbots from killing them. Everything is a matter of perspective.

*sigh*.

Alright, where are the new Reapers then? Through out ME3 they keep firin their lazors so tell me, where are all their victims being preserved? They getting sucked up by current Reapers? Because that would contaminate the preservation of whatever species that Reaper's made of. So where are they?

Oh that's right. They're dead, and this is all thrown-together bull****. Can we please move on?

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda doesn't really strike me as someone who would dance in a club, anyways.
She would be more at home in a party akin to Hock's.

Neither would Ashley, a tomboy soldier or Liara, a recluse archeologist. But the game didn't seem to care too much about that back then.

Lore-wise I'd agree with you though. She doesn't seem the clubbing type. She could do it for a cover though.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[dtrain24]

@Crutch
I am so sorry for what I've begun.

[CrutchCricket]

It's alright dtrain. The truth is no one really escapes the endings. You just have longer or shorter periods of reprieves, via distractions.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 02:07 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Alright, where are the new Reapers then? Through out ME3 they keep firin their lazors so tell me, where are all their victims being preserved? They getting sucked up by current Reapers? Because that would contaminate the preservation of whatever species that Reaper's made of. So where are they?

Oh that's right. They're dead, and this is all thrown-together bull****. Can we please move on?

Read the Codex. There are non-sentient Harvest Ships on worlds occupied by the Reapers as well as concentration camps where husks sort those worthy of becoming a Reaper and those who will just be placed on a Dragon's teeth.

[dtrain24]

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda doesn't really strike me as someone who would dance in a club, anyways.
She would be more at home in a party akin to Hock's.

Agreed.
I can actually see Ashley doing this if provoked enough. Not really Liara, but not sure about Tali.
But yeah, Miranda would prefer a party like Hock's. But she would need either Shepard or an undercover assignment there to enjoy herself.

[Babi_Siha]

dtrain24 wrote...

Why do you think Miranda never dances? (And don't say because no squadmates dance, not the answer I'm looking for, haha)

Because she'd be too embarrassed to be seing dancing with (lousy dancer) Shepard?

In all honest, I think ME2 turned out to be a bigger game than the first one and the devs focused too much on the missions that they didn't have much time/money left to add little things like that, but that sure were missed and I'm not talking just about the dancing, the first game Citadel was huge and I loved exploring it and finishing it's side quests, in my opinion, none of the hub cities in ME2 truly came to life like it happened on the first game. Still, I miss Illium and Omega though.

[dtrain24]

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Why do you think Miranda never dances? (And don't say because no squadmates dance, not the answer I'm looking for, haha)

Because she'd be too embarrassed to be seing dancing with (lousy dancer) Shepard?

In all honest, I think ME2 turned out to be a bigger game than the first one and the devs focused too much on the missions that they didn't have much time/money left to add little things like that, but that sure were missed and I'm not talking just about the dancing, the first game Citadel was huge and I loved exploring it and finishing it's side quests, in my opinion, none of the hub cities in ME2 truly came to life like it happened on the first game. Still, I miss Illium and Omega though.

Illium and especially Omega were fun to explore.
The Citadel was pretty cool as well, but I still had more fun exploring Mass Effect 1's Citadel.

And yeah...Shepard isn't the best dancer. I wonder what Miranda would say about Shepard's "Samara LM" dance. Let's just call it the Renegade dance to make it easier.
She'd probably lie about any associations to Shepard.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Read the Codex. There are non-sentient Harvest Ships on worlds occupied by the Reapers as well as concentration camps where husks sort those worthy of becoming a Reaper and those who will just be placed on a Dragon's teeth.

I think the conceptual problem is much deeper than you are suggesting JB.  Already you are introducing basically human concepts of sorting according to worthiness/the Reapers consider themselves superior to organic life, etc.

How are the Reaper concentration camps different from a concentration camp run by a human? (Humans can also say they are actually "preserving" something of value and therefore must committ atrocities.)

Just because it doesn't look like a person and doesn't call itself a person doesn't mean its "point of view" must be accepted without question.

Modifié par flemm, 22 juin 2012 - 02:14 .

[MisterJB]

flemm wrote...
I think the conceptual problem is much deeper than you are suggesting JB.  Already you are introducing basically human concepts of sorting according to worthiness/the Reapers consider themselves superior to organic life, etc.

How are the Reaper concentration camps different from a concentration camp run by a human? (Humans can also say they are actually "preserving" something of value and therefore must committ atrocities.)

Just because it doesn't look like a person and doesn't call itself a person doesn't mean its "point of view" must be accepted without question.

Nor did I claim so. I, as an organic, can not agree with its assertion that Reaperization is preferable to extinction.
However, I am capable of looking at he situation from the Catalyst's perspective and see why its action make sense and are in accord with its goal.
The fact that it is not a human should not have any bearing in this. Had The Illusive Man made the same claim, I would be presenting the same arguments as to why it's not an example of circular logic.
 

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
Had The Illusive Man made the same claim, I would be presenting the same arguments as to why it's not an example of circular logic.
 

Ok, already conceded the circular logic point (though it's a little specious, I think, since the afore-posted image is mocking the overall concept of the endings, not necessarily asserting that it is *technically* circular logic).

Edit: I should say, specifically, that it is mocking the manner in which the idea is presented, i.e. a sudden heavy dose of exposition at the very end. And this is indeed one of the big problems with the endings, it should not be necessary to do so much explaining at the last minute.

Modifié par flemm, 22 juin 2012 - 02:33 .

[Dr. Doctor]

flemm wrote...

MisterJB wrote...
Read the Codex.
There are non-sentient Harvest Ships on worlds occupied by the Reapers
as well as concentration camps where husks sort those worthy of becoming
a Reaper and those who will just be placed on a Dragon's teeth.

I
think the conceptual problem is much deeper than you are suggesting
JB.  Already you are introducing basically human concepts of sorting
according to worthiness/the Reapers consider themselves superior to
organic life, etc.

How are the Reaper concentration camps
different from a concentration camp run by a human? (Humans can also say
they are actually "preserving" something of value and therefore must
committ atrocities.)

Just because it doesn't look like a person
and doesn't call itself a person doesn't mean its "point of view" must
be accepted without question.

For some reason all I can picture now is a ME version of Hogan's Heroes.

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda doesn't really strike me as someone who would dance in a club, anyways.
She would be more at home in a party akin to Hock's.

Bekenstein

Shepard: (dusting off armor) And you said shoving the Cain into that statue of Saren was a bad idea.

Miranda: (sighs) I can't take you anywhere.

[o Ventus]

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Why do you think Miranda never dances? (And don't say because no squadmates dance, not the answer I'm looking for, haha)

Because she'd be too embarrassed to be seing dancing with (lousy dancer) Shepard?

In all honest, I think ME2 turned out to be a bigger game than the first one and the devs focused too much on the missions that they didn't have much time/money left to add little things like that, but that sure were missed and I'm not talking just about the dancing, the first game Citadel was huge and I loved exploring it and finishing it's side quests, in my opinion, none of the hub cities in ME2 truly came to life like it happened on the first game. Still, I miss Illium and Omega though.

Yup. Illium and Omega are my favorite hubs from ME2.

[enayasoul]

CrutchCricket wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Miranda doesn't really strike me as someone who would dance in a club, anyways.
She would be more at home in a party akin to Hock's.

Neither would Ashley, a tomboy soldier or Liara, a recluse archeologist. But the game didn't seem to care too much about that back then.

Lore-wise I'd agree with you though. She doesn't seem the clubbing type. She could do it for a cover though.

Actually, Ashley mentions to Shepard that she wanted to show him some of her dance moves.  I think she would like dancing...

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Why do you think Miranda never dances? (And don't say because no squadmates dance, not the answer I'm looking for, haha)

Because she'd be too embarrassed to be seing dancing with (lousy dancer) Shepard?

In all honest, I think ME2 turned out to be a bigger game than the first one and the devs focused too much on the missions that they didn't have much time/money left to add little things like that, but that sure were missed and I'm not talking just about the dancing, the first game Citadel was huge and I loved exploring it and finishing it's side quests, in my opinion, none of the hub cities in ME2 truly came to life like it happened on the first game. Still, I miss Illium and Omega though.

Yup. Illium and Omega are my favorite hubs from ME2.

I love Dark Star for the sole purposes of Shepard making a complete idiot out of himself.
1. Dancing
2. Getting drunk at that specific bar.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Why do you think Miranda never dances? (And don't say because no squadmates dance, not the answer I'm looking for, haha)

Because she'd be too embarrassed to be seing dancing with (lousy dancer) Shepard?

In all honest, I think ME2 turned out to be a bigger game than the first one and the devs focused too much on the missions that they didn't have much time/money left to add little things like that, but that sure were missed and I'm not talking just about the dancing, the first game Citadel was huge and I loved exploring it and finishing it's side quests, in my opinion, none of the hub cities in ME2 truly came to life like it happened on the first game. Still, I miss Illium and Omega though.

Yup. Illium and Omega are my favorite hubs from ME2.

I love Dark Star for the sole purposes of Shepard making a complete idiot out of himself.
1. Dancing
2. Getting drunk at that specific bar.

Passing out in the bathroom with that turian using the urinal.

I can only imagine what a romanced Miranda's thoughts would be on the matter.