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[Caihn]

Creating a fair amount of content for characters who can die in previous game ? Sorry but that's what they did for Garrus and Tali in ME3.

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

Creating a fair amount of content for characters who can die in previous game ? Sorry but that's what they did for Garrus and Tali in ME3.

Well, they did it for a lot characters in the main game. But of course, that's part of a total package that people are buying. So, a DLC would likely work along those lines. Everybody can buy it, but it adjusts. (Just like many missions in ME3.)

I think it's within the realm of possibility. But beyond that, who knows?

Modifié par flemm, 23 juin 2012 - 10:09 .

[Taboo]

Yannkee wrote...

Creating a fair amount of content for characters who can die in previous game ? Sorry but that's what they did for Garrus and Tali in ME3.

This.

[CrutchCricket]

Cronos proved EDI can be just as good for Cerberus exposition so you already have your replacement if you're looking at a more general story arc. But if people are measuring against Shadow Broker, then yeah, that's not out of the question either.

[jtav]

One possibility would be for Miranda to show up briefly during the Omega DLC, perhaps trying to save Oleg. And she's replaced by a generic ex-Cerberus agent otherwise. Or something about the Project Phoenix refugees, with Miranda as questgiver and mission control.

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Creating a fair amount of content for characters who can die in previous game ? Sorry but that's what they did for Garrus and Tali in ME3.

Well, they did it for a lot characters. But of course, that's part of a total package that people are buying. So, a DLC would likely work along those lines. Everybody can buy it, but it adjusts.

Well for me, the other characters don't have enough content (except maybe Mordin and Legion ..)

A DLC that adds content for the ME2 characters is the only thing that could correct this mistake. But I'm realist, I doubt they will make one.

[Vertigo_1]

Tali & Garrus are widely popular. The risk vs reward was on the reward side that time.
Tali for the romance side and Garrus for the all around side (you don't have to romance him to like him)

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 23 juin 2012 - 10:25 .

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

Well for me, the other characters don't have enough content (except maybe Mordin and Legion ..)

A DLC that adds content for the ME2 characters is the only thing that could correct this mistake. But I'm realist, I doubt they will make one.

Well, I don't think they have enough either. I just mean that, well, people are buying the game (and that game's attractiveness is not based primarily on X character's content overall).

So, take the Omega DLC, that is attractive as a DLC for everyone. Miranda making an appearance, if alive, makes it more attractive. It's like an added feature. It's more likely to work like that, I think, because she won't always be there.

Modifié par flemm, 23 juin 2012 - 10:25 .

[Skullheart]

We can always make terrorist attacks against bw and say it was a rogue cell.

[flemm]

I think making jokes along those lines requires a slightly lighter touch

Modifié par flemm, 24 juin 2012 - 02:34 .

[Skullheart]

It was a joke.

Modifié par Skullheart, 24 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[flemm]

*sigh*

Modifié par flemm, 23 juin 2012 - 10:45 .

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Tali & Garrus are widely popular. The risk vs reward was on the reward side that time.
Tali for the romance side and Garrus for the all around side (you don't have to romance him to like him)

Personally, I've never seen Tali and Garrus in ME3.

Anyway, the real popularity of a character can't be calculated (the BSN and other forums don't represent the whole population of gamers).
If they wanted to use a pertinent criteria they should have picked the squadmates who was the most alive at the end of ME2 : Jacob and Miranda.

Modifié par Yannkee, 23 juin 2012 - 10:56 .

[Babi_Siha]

I see no problem in BioWare having a Cerberus DLC with Miranda as a main character. If she's dead, then replace her with another (possibly new) character, likely another Cerberus defect. If they'd want to do a DLC with Miranda, they can. The problem is BioWare doesn't want to.

[wright1978]

jtav wrote...

One possibility would be for Miranda to show up briefly during the Omega DLC, perhaps trying to save Oleg. And she's replaced by a generic ex-Cerberus agent otherwise. Or something about the Project Phoenix refugees, with Miranda as questgiver and mission control.

Yeah if Omega DLC does happen i think they could encorporate a Miranda element where she can recruit Oleg and his soldiers to her Cerberus  renegades.

[flemm]

With Miranda I think it's mostly that they did not her to be a focal character again. I don't mean that in a *they hate Miranda* sort of way. It's just that, well, if she has the role she probably *should* have in this game, she has the best/most impactful role again.

Which isn't to say everyone would be happy about it. On the contrary, some people would be screaming bloody murder the moment she boarded the Normandy. But it's what people would be talking about.

As Miranda fans, it's simply difficult for us to perceive that as a problem.

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

With Miranda I think it's mostly that they did not her to be a focal character again. I don't mean that in a *they hate Miranda* sort of way. It's just that, well, if she has the role she probably *should* have in this game, she has the best/most impactful role again.

Which isn't to say everyone would be happy about it. On the contrary, some people would be screaming bloody murder the moment she boarded the Normandy. But it's what people would be talking about.

As Miranda fans, it's simply difficult for us to perceive that as a problem.

I think you give too much credit to the Miranda haters.
A lot of people who are not fans of Miranda don't understand why she's not a squadmate and don't have an important role in ME3.

Modifié par Yannkee, 23 juin 2012 - 11:19 .

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

I think you give too much credit to the Miranda haters.

Oh, no, that's not really what I mean. It's just that Miranda is not really like Garrus and Tali, where you basically recruit them and they become a sidekick outside of a couple of missions.

And yes, I absolutely agree that Miranda should have had a bigger role in the game, and that this is obvious to everyone now.

But speaking in terms of why certain decisions were made, I could see somebody like Hudson being a bit wary of how much attention Miranda got in ME2 (as compared, specifically, to the protagonist). It's perhaps noteworthy, from that point of view, that Shepard is such a marketting focus this time around.

Modifié par flemm, 23 juin 2012 - 11:25 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
If she could learn things like interrogating the talking, mysteriously helpful geth who knows Shepard's name is worth the risk

Is it? I think that could be brought into question because by activating Legion we are not simply risking it attacks the Normandy's systems. It is also the first intact geth anyone had ever acquired since the quarians were driven off their worlds and if Shepard activates it, we don't know if it could deadctivated without putting a round in its head which would severely compromise whatever knowledge they can get from it.

[jtav]

And Garrus and Tali are very modular. Remove them and not much changes outside Rannoch, which is very much a game within a game. But Miranda's plot could be fixed so easily just by having her show up at Cronos. Heck, make that her mission instead of Sanctuary. Sanctuary feels like filler despite being mentioned throughout the game.

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
 But Miranda's plot could be fixed so easily just by having her show up at Cronos..

Yes. I'm not sure what that would have looked like if they hadn't eaten up all the disk space already by that time. Everything is very *flat* past Rannoch. Probably they would have done more. Would it have involved Miranda? Harder to say.

Modifié par flemm, 23 juin 2012 - 11:32 .

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I think you give too much credit to the Miranda haters.

Oh, no, that's not really what I mean. It's just that Miranda is not really like Garrus and Tali, where you basically recruit them and they become a sidekick outside of a couple of missions.

You think they wanted to avoid the controversy of an ex cerberus agent on the Normandy ?
Well I think you already know what I think about this. After the coup, there is no valid reasons to prevent Miranda to be part of the team. Besides, it would make the Normandy more alive and allow more interesting relations (friendly or hostile) between characters.
And most of the players who hate Miranda already killed her at the end of ME2, so who cares ?

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

You think they wanted to avoid the controversy of an ex cerberus agent on the Normandy ?

Possibly. Again, it's not that I disagree with you. I agree with you

You don't need to convince me.

I also think Miranda on the team would manifestly have been a good idea. That is obvious now because (other than the endings) what this (really very excellent) game lacks is basically a more interesting/varied squad and a deeper Cerberus story.

That said, it's not hard to imagine why this would have been seen as a sticking point in the minds of some back when these decisions were being made.

Modifié par flemm, 23 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[Skullheart]

Lets see, whe are on a ship built by Cerberus (they know all her weak and strong points). We have an AI developed by cerberus, who installs herself in a Cerberus sexbot. A lot of ex-Cerberus scientists and engineer are helping with the Crucible.

But, we can't have a former operative, who knows how the ship works aboard, besides giving us better intelligence about Cerberus than the useless shadow broker (is a fact that Smantha is more usefull than Liara).

bw, what the hell were you thinking?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Why was wanting Miri with us too much to ask? BioWare had the power to put her in our Squad, yet they refused. Why? Why can't BioWare spill the beans?