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[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...
This complete and utter humiliation of Kai Leng pleases me and must continue.

As you wish:



I think this is on the way to becoming a classic.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Hahaha! This is what should have happened. Instead of me killing Kai Leng, Miri will use her Biotics to warp Leng's mind to the point where he believes he's a ballerina, mind and all.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 juin 2012 - 07:35 .

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Mmmmm...

Can't think in a tittle for this.

Shepard: Hey...

Miranda: Yes?

Shepard: Come here.

Miranda: Oh? Still impatient commander?

Shepard: Still trying to maintain control Miss Lawson?

Miranda: Trying...But failing.

Shepard: Good. I'm almost out of moves.

Miranda: I'm not. *cut to this picture*

Shepard: Ahh, I see you've hit the dojo while I was under house arrest. Is that hapkido?

Miranda: I had to keep things interesting didn't I?

[Jebel Krong]

Ieldra2 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
*Looking at Ieldra2's sig* I don't know if Miri would enjoy becoming a Cyborg unwillingly, not knowing why.

It's not as you'd suddenly be half metal, you know. The image people have of "cyborg" is too much influenced by the Borg. That's crude. I envision Synthesis as "an elegant solution" (Catalyst in the leaked script), where it takes nothing away from you and nothing you are feels like it's not you. Like....well....the people in the Normandy scene.

it's not that simple: you can't just magically "meld" synthetic properties onto organics in a seamless fashion. one of the constants of science fiction is the difference between organic and synthetic "life" - it has been explored a myriad of ways, but one of the constants is the divergence of viewpoint and evolution, even when working together (in one body or in a societal setting). the biggest problem with synthesis is that it explains nothing of how you could do this - you just stay the same with some green lighting in your skin. weak.

edit: it also still invalidates all your work resolving the geth/quarian situation because it renders both societies null and void by eradicating any differences. goodbye unique geth.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 24 juin 2012 - 10:21 .

[Stalker]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Wow. Who makes all these impressive 3d scenes?

Download free XNALara and you could be that one  It's really easy.


On Synthesis: I don't consider them to be Cyborgs either and without real explanation it can easily be a choice Miranda would go for: perfection of life, final form of evolution.
However, without explanation it can also be speculated in the direction of stopping evolution altogether. "Perfect" doesn't necessairly mean any good.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 24 juin 2012 - 12:03 .

[MisterJB]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Hahaha! This is what should have happened. Instead of me killing Kai Leng, Miri will use her Biotics to warp Leng's mind to the point where he believes he's a ballerina, mind and all.

Biotics don't work that way.

[fiendishchicken]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I don't know who it comes from, but there's a conservative strain running through the whole trilogy.

Could be the tension between the devs with a genuine interest in science fiction in the speculative sense, and those who are mostly interested in the space opera side of things. "Space opera" is usually pretty conservative at its core, despite the futuristic setting.

From my experience, Science Fiction is better, if slightly less interesting storytelling, while Space Opera is more actiony and doesn't really challenge things or thinking. You see space opera as intertwined with Star Wars, a whole space morality tale of good vs evil. It's entertaining, but a lot of the appeal has been lost on me as I want something more, something deeper. Mass Effect gives us that until the last game, then it devolves to a good vs evil fight so to speak. I wanted to know what would've happened had sanctuary worked. Could the Reapers have been controlled via non-Crucible means? That's another reason I'm so enthralled with Miranda, as she is such a grey character compared to say Ashley, who at her core is. "OMG CERBERUS BAD, ALLIANCE GOOD" Whereus my Shepard walks the path of the paragade. He has his principles and his ideals, and he doesn't let any of the actions or ideals of others cloud his judgement. He would've been perfectly fine to accept what happened at Sanctuary had it yielded significant results. 

[MisterJB]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Merizan also said that all the new content was after the long walk in Priority:Earth. I don't think there will be any new content on Cronos Station.

Which also means Miranda will not be present in person in London and the chances of seeing War assets participate in the battle are almost zero.
This is shaping up to be quite the dissapointment.

[fiendishchicken]

MisterJB wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Merizan also said that all the new content was after the long walk in Priority:Earth. I don't think there will be any new content on Cronos Station.

Which also means Miranda will not be present in person in London and the chances of seeing War assets participate in the battle are almost zero.
This is shaping up to be quite the dissapointment.

It's just gonna be more "GO LIARA, GO ASHLEY, GO ALLIANCE, OMG FREE HUGS <3" Plus it'll probably screw with my head canon

[NovaBlastMarketing]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Skullheart wrote...

Mmmmm...

Can't think in a tittle for this.

Shepard: Hey...

Miranda: Yes?

Shepard: Come here.

Miranda: Oh? Still impatient commander?

Shepard: Still trying to maintain control Miss Lawson?

Miranda: Trying...But failing.

Shepard: Good. I'm almost out of moves.

Miranda: I'm not. *cut to this picture*

Awesome ! 

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
This is shaping up to be quite the dissapointment.

I thought the whole point of being a pessimist was to avoid that sort of thing

I kid

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

MisterJB wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Hahaha! This is what should have happened. Instead of me killing Kai Leng, Miri will use her Biotics to warp Leng's mind to the point where he believes he's a ballerina, mind and all.

Biotics don't work that way.

I wasn't being serious. They can be used to give him brain damage, though.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 24 juin 2012 - 04:33 .

[Ieldra]

fiendishchicken wrote...

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I don't know who it comes from, but there's a conservative strain running through the whole trilogy.

Could be the tension between the devs with a genuine interest in science fiction in the speculative sense, and those who are mostly interested in the space opera side of things. "Space opera" is usually pretty conservative at its core, despite the futuristic setting.

From my experience, Science Fiction is better, if slightly less interesting storytelling, while Space Opera is more actiony and doesn't really challenge things or thinking. You see space opera as intertwined with Star Wars, a whole space morality tale of good vs evil. It's entertaining, but a lot of the appeal has been lost on me as I want something more, something deeper. Mass Effect gives us that until the last game, then it devolves to a good vs evil fight so to speak. I wanted to know what would've happened had sanctuary worked. Could the Reapers have been controlled via non-Crucible means? That's another reason I'm so enthralled with Miranda, as she is such a grey character compared to say Ashley, who at her core is. "OMG CERBERUS BAD, ALLIANCE GOOD" Whereus my Shepard walks the path of the paragade. He has his principles and his ideals, and he doesn't let any of the actions or ideals of others cloud his judgement. He would've been perfectly fine to accept what happened at Sanctuary had it yielded significant results. 

My problem with Bioware's approach to morality is that it appeals to emotions - moral intuitions - instead of moral reasoning. And people lap that up because it's comforting. "Follow your heart and all will end well", that's a typical space opera mentality. For that reason, they're unable to see that there is a point to TIM being right about Control, and are unwilling to separate the goal from the methods because no character in ME3 gives them a good example any more, as opposed to ME2, where we have Miranda and Mordin.

That backfires in the end. If you approach the ending as you do the subplots, you'll end up burned whatever you choose, because there is no comfortable choice where there always was one before. As ironic as it sounds given the "space magic", the ending has less of space opera and more of classic SF than the rest of ME3 combined.

@flemm:
I agree. The ME trilogy sends very conflicting messages in that regard.

[fiendishchicken]

Something that I have a problem with; When landing at the FOB in London, Major Coats tells Shepard that a lot of Hammer won't be making it and that a lot of ships haven't arrived. I have issue with this as I have 100% EMS and 8200 War Assets, with pretty much everything you can get. I have the Rachni, the Krogan, all sidemissions done, Wrex, Kirrahe, Quarian, Geth, Asari, Turian, EVERYTHING you can possibly get without breaking the games logic (i.e. having both Virmire teammates). Wth BW?

[RamilVenoard]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Something that I have a problem with; When landing at the FOB in London, Major Coats tells Shepard that a lot of Hammer won't be making it and that a lot of ships haven't arrived. I have issue with this as I have 100% EMS and 8200 War Assets, with pretty much everything you can get. I have the Rachni, the Krogan, all sidemissions done, Wrex, Kirrahe, Quarian, Geth, Asari, Turian, EVERYTHING you can possibly get without breaking the games logic (i.e. having both Virmire teammates). Wth BW?

Artistic integrity, silly! Don't you know when anything makes logical sense it loses its artsy-ness?

[fiendishchicken]

RamilVenoard wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Something that I have a problem with; When landing at the FOB in London, Major Coats tells Shepard that a lot of Hammer won't be making it and that a lot of ships haven't arrived. I have issue with this as I have 100% EMS and 8200 War Assets, with pretty much everything you can get. I have the Rachni, the Krogan, all sidemissions done, Wrex, Kirrahe, Quarian, Geth, Asari, Turian, EVERYTHING you can possibly get without breaking the games logic (i.e. having both Virmire teammates). Wth BW?

Artistic integrity, silly! Don't you know when anything makes logical sense it loses its artsy-ness?

Then it devolves into little nitpicky stuff I have issues with, like the size of the FOB and general tactics of the alliance; Where the hell is air support? Where the hell is the armor, the drones? The heavy infantry? The sheer mass of numbers that I brought with me to the fight should more than be enough to take ALL of central London. Instead, all the forces are whining about numbers, or lack of. Even with Harby's intervention, the sheer number of troops that I brought with me should be able to penetrate the beam. Without even getting into my military linguo and mindset, the final mission has no logic. It's like the entire upper echelon of leaders went to the Imperial Stormtrooper Academy and Shooting School!

Hell my Battalion of 692 men of the 219th BSB would have done what the presumably millions of assets at London couldn't do, and we'd do it with ease!

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 24 juin 2012 - 06:00 .

[dtrain24]

I just completed the Suicide Mission again. I have to say, I love the scenes where Shepard saves Miranda from falling to death after the Human Reaper. And then Miranda returns the favor by pulling him on the Normandy.
Suicide Mission is one of the best ever in Mass Effect.

[ThomGau]

Yeah I like that too. Those are canon scenes but with Miranda as a squadmate it makes them so much better.

Agreed, the SM is really satisfying especially when it is completed with noone left behind. It always send chills down my spine. Let's just say that the ME3 Priority Earth mission doesn't have the same effect on me

[Dr. Doctor]

Skullheart wrote...

It would be nice I we could have found this when we reached the tower on Sanctuary.

Leng: Leave the gunship home TIM said, you don't need it for this mission TIM said....

[flemm]

ThomGau wrote...

Yeah I like that too. Those are canon scenes but with Miranda as a squadmate it makes them so much better.

And I'm sure fans of other characters feel the same.

It's almost like it was a roleplaying game...

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*derp*

Modifié par flemm, 24 juin 2012 - 07:14 .

[ThomGau]

flemm wrote...

It's almost like it was a roleplaying game...

Almost yes

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
That backfires in the end. If you approach the ending as you do the subplots, you'll end up burned whatever you choose, because there is no comfortable choice where there always was one before. As ironic as it sounds given the "space magic", the ending has less of space opera and more of classic SF than the rest of ME3 combined.

That's an interesting way of looking at the problem of why people react so... poorly to the endings. And why they don't feel right thematically, given everything that happens along the way.

It's like Hudson was suddenly convinced at the last moment to give his Star Wars-inspired space opera a Deus Ex-inspired ending.

And the results were predictably... unsatisfactory.

[hot_heart]

I can see that point, but ME3 wasn't exactly full of comfortable choices before the ending either. The big difference is that those instances centred around characters we knew rather than vague poorly-developed sci-fi concepts.

Deus Ex: Human Revolution did a good job of expressing its central themes throughout the setting and quests, even if the ending was 'push a button' (opening up choices after you hear other character's sides though). I'm sure the original Deus Ex did it as well, but I've only ever watched an LP.

Modifié par hot_heart, 24 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[Dr. Doctor]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Then it devolves into little nitpicky stuff I have issues with, like the size of the FOB and general tactics of the alliance; Where the hell is air support? Where the hell is the armor, the drones? The heavy infantry? The sheer mass of numbers that I brought with me to the fight should more than be enough to take ALL of central London. Instead, all the forces are whining about numbers, or lack of. Even with Harby's intervention, the sheer number of troops that I brought with me should be able to penetrate the beam. Without even getting into my military linguo and mindset, the final mission has no logic. It's like the entire upper echelon of leaders went to the Imperial Stormtrooper Academy and Shooting School!

Hell my Battalion of 692 men of the 219th BSB would have done what the presumably millions of assets at London couldn't do, and we'd do it with ease!

What confuses me is that the only plan is to throw everything the allies have at the Reapers all at once. Of course Hammer's going to be destroyed, there was no advance party to take out AA positions or secure landing zones. Earth should have been set up similar to Tuchanka and Rannoch where there were missions that lead up to the final run. The Normandy and the Alliance's SR1-class stealth frigates could slip onto the planet and launch stikes against Reaper positions before calling in Sword and Hammer.

Compared to the Citadel in ME1 and the Suicide Mission in ME2 Earth is a major letdown.  I was expecting a sort of Avengers moment where Shepard and all of the  remaining squadmates he fought beside in the previous games reunited for the final push against the Reapers. Instead it's a really dull fight through a few linear city streets.

[Ieldra]

I just replayed my main maleShep's Miranda encounter on Sanctuary. I must say as an encounter that combines plot with romance it's rather good. It does make me smile and appreciate Miranda for what she's done here at Sanctuary. Only the context - Oriana as primary motivation, lack of any meaningful confrontation between Miranda and Henry, Miranda not joining - makes it unsatisfactory.

Also, my main femShep has finished Sanctuary two hours ago. Just in time for the EC....

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 juin 2012 - 07:53 .