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[Caihn]

I would like her to be cured, for the reasons I already explained.

Can I imagine Miranda as a mother ? yes (and a good one)

Would my Shepard respect her decision if she doesn't want a child ? Of course, and it won't change his feelings for her.

And if she wants a child but can't have one, my Shepard would gladly accept to adopt one.

And being a mother doesn't mean being a housewife. I hate when people suggest that she could not remain the same competent operative, if she has a family.

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[Dr. Doctor]

kratos0294 wrote...

So how do you guys deal with the infertiliy? Do you want it to be cured somehow in the future or do you want it to stay and consider the adoption scenario?

Or did you simply headcanon it doesn't exist?

I'm  with Skullheart, if it isn't brought up it doesn't exist. To be honest, I really don't want the subject of kids brought up in the ending/epilogue. Some things should be left ambiguous for the player to come up with what happens next. 

I can't really see Shepard and Miranda  settling down anytime soon.  To me the tone of the romance is more about them being together without TIM, the Alliance, or the Reapers standing in their way.

[hot_heart]

I agree there. The last conversation with Anderson had a line about that cut out, I believe.

For the near future, it was always just about them being together.

[jtav]

I'd prefer ambiguity out of respect for players who don't want kids. If I want to add them, I can add them.

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

I would like her to be cured, for the reasons I already explained.

Can I imagine Miranda as a mother ? yes (and a good one)

Would my Shepard respect her decision if she doesn't want a child ? Of course, and it won't change his feelings for her.

And if she wants a child but can't have one, my Shepard would gladly accept to adopt one.

And being a mother doesn't mean being a housewife. I hate when people suggest that she could not remain the same competent operative, if she has a family.

I agree overall. I will say this: being a mother could be interesting and meaningful for Miranda *as a character* moreso than most characters, due to her origins.

So, speaking theoretically, I think it's an interesting direction. But... not really a high priority for something that just pops up in an epilogue.

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 08:28 .

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I think Phoenix is decent as a name. I dislike Prometheus because it doesn't fit, unless they're adapting Reaper tech. None of the other races are worthy of filling in for "the gods" in the analogy. I don't mean this in a racist way, but they are not fundamentally stronger or more advanced. We're not stealing from the gods, we're stealing from everyone else.

The Prometheus symbolism points to human enhancement technologies and similar stuff, applications that in earlier times were thought to be in the domain of the gods. Things we "weren't meant to know". That's why I like the name. It specifically denies any llmits of what should or should not be known. That's what Miranda did when she brought Shepard back, and that's the kind of stuff I want her to go on doing. 

[jtav]

And to be blunt, I don't trust the writers regarding Miranda-as-parent. I fear it would be used to make her normal. They wouldn't do anything interesting with it.

[flemm]

Yeah, "Prometheus" is a name that pops up in sci-fi a lot for that reason. Basically, as a way of talking about humanity's quest for forbidden knowledge (but generally in a positive way). Or just powerful knowledge that is difficult to obtain. Because the gods punish Prometheus, but he is a hero to humanity.

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 08:43 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Personal feelings? Let it stand and have her create her own. And put that kid a very long time in the future. Decades. Heck, a century is viable if they can preserve the egg. Just no "settling down." Though Miranda is not the first person I'd pick to raise a child alone with the galaxy in the state it's in.

This, more or less.

Let Miranda circumvent her infertility with technology she develops herself, maybe based on her father's, instead of curing it, at some time in the future. I don't want to hear more than that's possible. I can headcanon the rest and don't trust Bioware to handle a "Miranda has a child" scenario with the necessary subtlely. I want her to be a competent professional in her fields (black ops and technology) more than anything else, and while that's not incompatible with a family I don't trust Bioware to not be totally one-sided about it.

(And didn't ME3 prove that such distrust was perfectly justified)

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 juin 2012 - 08:48 .

[flemm]

Incidentally, the opposite of Cerberus would be like a mythological figure guarding the gates of heaven. But... I can't think of one.

Apollo (a sun god, but also associated with the light of knowledge) is a bit like that. And Athena, goddess of wisdom, as I recall. Her shield (or armor, I think, sometimes), which is the "Aegis" pops up a lot as well.

But... maybe there is something more exactly equivalent that I can't think of.

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 08:50 .

[hot_heart]

Scutum is Latin for shield. But that is a silly name.

[Lawrence0294]

[flemm]

Icarus is a cool name. It's true that his story is more intended to be about humanity's reach exceeding its grasp, but it can still be about humanity being bold and daring in a positive way.

I think it's been used by NASA, maybe, for space missions, I think. Or something like that.

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 09:03 .

[hot_heart]

Heh. Icarus and Daedalus is all Deus Ex territory. Apt, regardless.

Modifié par hot_heart, 25 juin 2012 - 09:11 .

[flemm]

LoL, yeah. Of course, now that the ME ending is heavily *cough, cough* inspired by Deus Ex... it could work ;-)

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 09:15 .

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

I would like her to be cured, for the reasons I already explained.

Can I imagine Miranda as a mother ? yes (and a good one)

Would my Shepard respect her decision if she doesn't want a child ? Of course, and it won't change his feelings for her.

And if she wants a child but can't have one, my Shepard would gladly accept to adopt one.

And being a mother doesn't mean being a housewife. I hate when people suggest that she could not remain the same competent operative, if she has a family.

I agree overall. I will say this: being a mother could be interesting and meaningful for Miranda *as a character* moreso than most characters, due to her origins.

So, speaking theoretically, I think it's an interesting direction. But... not really a high priority for something that just pops up in an epilogue.

I agree it's not a not a high priority, but this aspect could have been interesting, so why not.

I think the writers should not be restrained, and I'm always interested in discovering more things about Miranda.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
The Prometheus symbolism points to human enhancement technologies and similar stuff, applications that in earlier times were thought to be in the domain of the gods. Things we "weren't meant to know". That's why I like the name. It specifically denies any llmits of what should or should not be known. That's what Miranda did when she brought Shepard back, and that's the kind of stuff I want her to go on doing. 

But Prometheus himself was a Titan, above the humans just as the gods were. It was his pity that gave humans fire, not their own achievements. I suppose you could be charitable and only look at the event of humans gaining fire (using something only the gods had). But in the end, they were given the fire, they did not reach up and seize it.

Interesting how "using the tools of the gods" is an admired concept around here yet people still want the relays to burn...

But I won't start that up again. I firmly believe the new organization should have a simpler more innocuous name without the mythological motif.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 25 juin 2012 - 09:22 .

[LanceSolous13]

I think Icarus and ete are bad ideas for a company. Thats something you give a company with the full ignorance to not see you just doomed everyone by name.

Like, for example, Colombia in Bioshock: Infinite was called "Project: Icarus" by the government. Why the heck would you call a giant flying city Icarus? You're just begging for it to burn and crash with a name like that.

[ThomGau]

About the infertility I think it could have been a "good" thing if it would have been handled properly in the main game unlike what we have now which is very gratuitous.
I'd like to ignore the problem because it is not brought up at all by Miranda in ME2&3 but it's still there, it's an annoying thing.
I think could have added another layer to her character and some good dialogues with a romanced Shepard. Of course I would like her to be cured of it and I think she'd be a good mummy. Given how she cares about Shepard and Oriana, her child would be the apple of her eyes. Contrarely to the infertility though, I think a pregnancy shouldn't be in the game, just roleplayed.

I like Icarus, it's Deus-Ex-ish but I think it fits for a human STG. As long as it doesn't crash of course

Modifié par ThomGau, 25 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[flemm]

LanceSolous13 wrote...
Like, for example, Colombia in Bioshock: Infinite was called "Project: Icarus" by the government. Why the heck would you call a giant flying city Icarus? You're just begging for it to burn and crash with a name like that.

I definitely get what you mean


But, if you name a space mission that, for example, it can mean: "Yes, I know it's a big risk, but I'm going to do it anyway."

Anyway, it's fun throwing ideas around

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[fiendishchicken]

My opinion of Miri's infertility is simple - If she can bring a man back from the dead, what's stopping her from creating a cure or treatment from her condition? My Shepard is not necessarily the settle down type, nor is Miranda. I kinda base their relationship around the mid to late 3rd season and early 4th season of Chuck in regards to the dynamic of Shep and Miri compared to Sarah and Chuck. They're both torn at whether they want to continue their adventures or be together, when they realize they can have both. And my Shepard loves Miri unconditionally. Her infertility doesn't matter to him one iota. But they will eventually conceive a child together, a girl, in the future through natural means after Miri has cured her condition. I think Miri would be a great mother.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 25 juin 2012 - 09:32 .

[hot_heart]

Given Miranda's reduced role in ME3, I think any talk of the future would've felt a little too condensed and rushed.

[flemm]

Yannkee wrote...

I agree it's not a not a high priority, but this aspect could have been interesting, so why not.

I think pretty much everybody would agree it could be interesting.

People are just wary that it would be too much like: "Miranda and Shepard settle down, have children and a normal life together." Is that horrible? No, but people are hoping for something awesome, like Miranda leading an intelligence organisation or something, and anxious it might not include both (basically).

Also, some fans don't really envision Shepard and Miranda having children from a roleplay point of view, and would prefer that it therefore be left to the player's imagination (or be optional). Different reason, but also understandable.

Modifié par flemm, 25 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[Caihn]

ThomGau wrote...

 Contrarely to the infertility though, I think a pregnancy shouldn't be in the game, just roleplayed.

flemm wrote...

Also, some fans don't really envision Shepard and Miranda having children from a roleplay point of view, and would prefer that it therefore be left to the player's imagination (or be optional). Different reason, but also understandable.

 

If the writers decide that she wants a child and can have one, pregnancy can be in the game (as long as the player also have the choice).

Modifié par Yannkee, 25 juin 2012 - 09:42 .

[LanceSolous13]

fiendishchicken wrote...

My opinion of Miri's infertility is simple - If she can bring a man back from the dead, what's stopping her from creating a cure or treatment from her condition? My Shepard is not necessarily the settle down type, nor is Miranda. I kinda base their relationship around the mid to late 3rd season and early 4th season of Chuck in regards to the dynamic of Shep and Miri compared to Sarah and Chuck. They're both torn at whether they want to continue their adventures or be together, when they realize they can have both. And my Shepard loves Miri unconditionally. Her infertility doesn't matter to him one iota. But they will eventually conceive a child together, a girl, in the future through natural means after Miri has cured her condition. I think Miri would be a great mother.

Thing is, Its not exactly a 'condition'. I'm completely under the impression that her father wrote Reproduction out of her genetics or something to that extent. It certainly seems to be what the Shadow Broker's Files implied. I believe that Miri and Shep will create a kid together but by mixing their genetics very much like her father did, but doing it the right way this time. She could be very torn up about having too much control over who her child will be (A big thing as Miri is always in control of a situation and slightly breaks if she isn't, like in her Loyalty Quest) but Shepard will be there for her to lean on for strength to let things play out as nessecary.

I of course don't want to see that in the EC. Keeping that in my head canon is fine.