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[Asakawa]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Custom Shepard:



is MY Shepard.

Everyone else is spy!

my first gameplay for real (long story) was a custom shep, that is very alike yours, haha XD
then later I gave up to Sheploo, hahaha XD

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
On Shepard's side, I feel that his disconnect from his people can easily lead to a well meaning dictator or even the renewal of the Cycle (not to mention stopping to love Miranda, that is the trutragedy). On Miranda's side, I feel it matches her character; Cerberus would not abyde by the tyranny of the Council; and it portrays her as strong.

We might view the significance of life differently but I don't think the disconnect leads to dictatorship or extermination at all. It leads to indifference. Are you particularly interested in ruling ants? Or destroying them? That's how it'd see it (never mind the Avengers and the ant-boot business). It might start out as a benevolent protector but eventually it just wouldn't care anymore. It would have other goals and it would go off to pursue them. That's how I see it. I see its interaction with us following the exact same path as Dr. Manhattan. Including romantic interest. It would try to love Miranda. But eventually yes, even this would be disconnected.

MisterJB wrote...
Also, Miranda plotting to take Control away from Shepard makes it a more distinct ending from Destroy or
Synthesis and one could also imagine she is not planning to kill Shepard. Only separate him from the Reapers.

I vehemently disagree with this interpretation. Obviously I would never accept it. But I don't think that's what's happening anyway. I think they're just gathering information. The first thing we see in the control epilogue is Reapers rebuilding the relays.  I doubt he also sent a Reaper up to Hacket to say "it's me lol!". Also the Miranda slide occurs fairly early. So Reapers crawling all over relays, no one knows what they're up to yet, people are still going to be uneasy. I think Miranda and Oriana are just gathering intel and yes, looking for weaknesses and devising a strategy in case the Reapers become a problem again. But it has nothing to do with Shepard.

In any case I don't have to worry about this slide since I'll never see it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 juin 2012 - 04:15 .

[o Ventus]

I won't lie, custom male Shepard's tend to look like failed abortions coming out of the CC. FemShep isn't that hard though

Plus, I think Meer's voice fits Vanderloo's face nicely, and he's (no ******) a good looking guy. Miranda and Sheploo look nice together.

[CrutchCricket]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Another possibility is that she wants to learn the Reapers' secrets. She's not a woman to be easily denied, even by the galactic guardian.

Hah, this never even occured to me. Knew I could count on you for the "enlightement" approach.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Another possibility is that she wants to learn the Reapers' secrets. She's not a woman to be easily denied, even by the galactic guardian.

Hah, this never even occured to me. Knew I could count on you for the "enlightement" approach.

Probably in the short term, that's a reasonable explanation.

I do like the "plotting to bring down the machine god" angle, though

[CrutchCricket]

Asakawa wrote...
my first gameplay for real (long story) was a custom shep, that is very alike yours, haha XD
then later I gave up to Sheploo, hahaha XD

No Rach don't give in! That's what they want you to do!

[CrutchCricket]

flemm wrote...
I do like the "plotting to bring down the machine god" angle, though

Why though??

Seems like everyone's determined to hate this guy. I think regardless of paragon or renegade, disconnect= indifference and he'll just leave after a while.

Whatever. I'm still sticking to my story that they don't know it's Shepard by that slide and are just being generally cautious.

[Asakawa]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Asakawa wrote...
my first gameplay for real (long story) was a custom shep, that is very alike yours, haha XD
then later I gave up to Sheploo, hahaha XD

No Rach don't give in! That's what they want you to do!

ahahah i can't resist to the memories of having every perfume advertising on tv, magazines and outdoors featuring Vanderloo when I was 15... =p

I'll take a picture of my custom shep when I get my xbox back running from all this moving out and such 

[Asakawa]

o Ventus wrote...

Plus, I think Meer's voice fits Vanderloo's face nicely, and he's (no ******) a good looking guy. Miranda and Sheploo look nice together.

absolutely agree

[Vertigo_1]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

So it is Ori? Yay for Miranda and Jacob being close being sorta acknowledged.

It certainly seems to be. Perhaps we can find the slide in the files. It's name might be enlightening. But I think it's them.

No, I got this slide when I did synthesis/control ending...Miranda and Oriana were both alive... so, yeah...
And the slide name in the files is: End03_C_FlashForward_JacobLondon

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 27 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
We might view the significance of life differently but I don't think the disconnect leads to dictatorship or extermination at all. It leads to indifference. Are you particularly interested in ruling ants? Or destroying them? That's how it'd see it (never mind the Avengers and the ant-boot business). It might start out as a benevolent protector but eventually it just wouldn't care anymore. It would have other goals and it would go off to pursue them. That's how I see it. I see its interaction with us following the exact same path as Dr. Manhattan. Including romantic interest. It would try to love Miranda. But eventually yes, even this would be disconnected.

ReaperShepard makes it quite clear that he shares Shepard's purpose, even if he looks at it differently.
It's possible that in time he would simply stop caring but, judging from what we can see now, it looks like ParagonShepard becomes a Benevolent Guardian while RenegadeShepard is a well intentioned Galactic Overlord.
The Catalyst managed to retain its focus on the organic-synthetic conflict for billions of years. Dr. Manhattan lasted about 50.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...

flemm wrote...
I do like the "plotting to bring down the machine god" angle, though

Why though??

It's cool, it fits Miranda, it's distinct from Destroy and Synthesis.
Also, I don't like ReaperShepard just like I don't like Dr. Manhattan.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
The Catalyst managed to retain its focus on the organic-synthetic conflict for billions of years.

I think the two are fundamentally different entities. The holokid was a construct, an AI built and programmed specifically to deal with the "problem" of organics-synthetics (and in an ironic twist/further trolling turned against its creators). Commander on the other hand is guided by the persona of a living being and already guided away from the restrictions of its predecessor (it doesn't say "I will be on guard againts the problem arising again" or something) There is no evidence one way or another that it agrees with the holokid on the nature of the problem.

I think this means the new entity is far more unrestrained than the old, a true higher intellingence. As for how long it takes it to become indifferent I have no idea. Personally I got the "guardian approach" and I'm taking it as keeping an eye on things but not interfering much past the rebuilding stages. Meanwhile every other part of it is out exploring the cosmos. The indifference then, happens sooner rather than later.

[jtav]

And I think Miranda would hate living under even a benevolent overlord. I think she sees fighting that sort of thing as what Cerberus is for. So I approve of resistance leader Miranda.

[Caihn]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
For me, Miranda is waiting anxiously the return of the rescue team who have just found Shepard in the Citadel wreckage.
So my Shepard did not break his promise.

Well, thing is, this showed up when I did Destroy with high EMS.  Otherwise when picking Control or Synthesis you don't see this.

With that showing and then at the end having Shep take a breath, yeah I can see what you mean about waiting for him

Oh and the file for Miranda and Oriana studying the Reaper in control ending is:
End03_C_FlashForward_MirandaBase

Wonder what base this could be...hmm perhaps Sanctuary?

Yeah, but I'm still disapointed we can't have a reunion scene in the game. :/
For me, the story is incomplete without this scene.

I also thought it was the Sanctuary base, but I think it's on earth. 

Modifié par Yannkee, 27 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
It's cool, it fits Miranda, it's distinct from Destroy and Synthesis.
Also, I don't like ReaperShepard just like I don't like Dr. Manhattan.

It's already different with just the general cautiousness of keeping an eye on the Reapers. They were just trying to kill you. Now they're inexplicably helping. Obviously you're not just going to accept it and look somewhere else.
Doesn't need to be about Shepard at all.

And I'm guessing you just don't like the theme of individual ascension at the cost of their humanity?

[Asakawa]

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
For me, Miranda is waiting anxiously the return of the rescue team who have just found Shepard in the Citadel wreckage.
So my Shepard did not break his promise.

Well, thing is, this showed up when I did Destroy with high EMS.  Otherwise when picking Control or Synthesis you don't see this.

With that showing and then at the end having Shep take a breath, yeah I can see what you mean about waiting for him

Oh and the file for Miranda and Oriana studying the Reaper in control ending is:
End03_C_FlashForward_MirandaBase

Wonder what base this could be...hmm perhaps Sanctuary?

Yeah, but I'm still disapointed we can't have a reunion scene in the game. :/
For me, the story is incomplete without this scene.

I also thought it was the Sanctuary base, but I think it's on earth. 

well, who knows something like that in a DLC

i mean,
EA wont lose the opportunity to cash in, right?

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

And I think Miranda would hate living under even a benevolent overlord. I think she sees fighting that sort of thing as what Cerberus is for. So I approve of resistance leader Miranda.

This is inconsistent. What if Shepard was played as anthropocentric and agreed with Cerberus? What if the resulting entity favored humanity and advanced it alone?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 27 juin 2012 - 04:49 .

[Caihn]

Asakawa wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...
For me, Miranda is waiting anxiously the return of the rescue team who have just found Shepard in the Citadel wreckage.
So my Shepard did not break his promise.

Well, thing is, this showed up when I did Destroy with high EMS.  Otherwise when picking Control or Synthesis you don't see this.

With that showing and then at the end having Shep take a breath, yeah I can see what you mean about waiting for him

Oh and the file for Miranda and Oriana studying the Reaper in control ending is:
End03_C_FlashForward_MirandaBase

Wonder what base this could be...hmm perhaps Sanctuary?

Yeah, but I'm still disapointed we can't have a reunion scene in the game. :/
For me, the story is incomplete without this scene.

I also thought it was the Sanctuary base, but I think it's on earth. 

well, who knows something like that in a DLC

i mean,
EA wont lose the opportunity to cash in, right?

And the worst thing is I would pay just for a reunion scene.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
And I'm guessing you just don't like the theme of individual ascension at the cost of their humanity?

The theme itself can be interesting. I simply tend to not like or trust the result; that is, the one who ascended.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

kookie28 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Now that I fully know that that Slide of Miri looking up to the Stars is for the Romance, I feel better.

twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217811960752902144

That should make you feel even better.

Is...is this a hint or something? Something for us in the Future?

[Asakawa]

Yannkee wrote...


And the worst thing is I would pay just for a reunion scene.

*pats in the back*

there, there....
if this makes you feel better, i would too! 

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
The theme itself can be interesting. I simply tend to not like or trust the result; that is, the one who ascended.

Fair enough.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't know why, but the "Sheploo" Face fits Male Shepard more than any Custom Face.

[Caihn]

Asakawa wrote...

Yannkee wrote...


And the worst thing is I would pay just for a reunion scene.

*pats in the back*

there, there....
if this makes you feel better, i would too! 

I don't think it will make me feel better about ME3, but at least I will be able to play the whole trilogy again.