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[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm....looking at the epilogue pictures. It's telling that the best Miranda scenes in ME3 are from the epilogue and not the main game.

I had the same thought, or a similar one. I realize I enjoy the flashback and the epilogue slides more than Miranda's content in the main game.

Which tells you what I think about the content in the main game

But... I do like them.




At least these do not hurt my brain

Modifié par flemm, 28 juin 2012 - 01:59 .

[Asakawa]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm....looking at the epilogue pictures. It's telling that the best Miranda scenes in ME3 are from the epilogue and not the main game.

I had the same thought, or a similar one. I realize I enjoy the flashback and the epilogue slides more than Miranda's content in the main game.

Which tells you what I think about the content in the main game

But... I do like them.

maybe that's a sign that they really did listen to our feedback even if only a little after the game release?

[Vierna-Drottingu]

flemm wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hmm....looking at the epilogue pictures. It's telling that the best Miranda scenes in ME3 are from the epilogue and not the main game.

I had the same thought, or a similar one. I realize I enjoy the flashback and the epilogue slides more than Miranda's content in the main game.

Which tells you what I think about the content in the main game

But... I do like them.




At least these do not hurt my brain

Same here... The Miranda epilogue scenes are totally badass, gives me even more inspiration for writing

[jtav]

I'm inspired too. A world of limitless possibilities and she's right there in the thick of it, personal and professional in harmony. It would have been easy to make her slide like Samara's, but even her Control slide has the primary focus on her operative side.

More and more, I'm convinced the problems with her role can be put down to the writers thinking we wanted something different than we actually did, Jay being new, and Sanctuary getting hit by crunch time. Once we exploded over the leak in a fairly united way, they gave us what we wanted insofar as time and budget allowed. The letters/app messages/slides are very different in tone from her main content, and I don't think that's an accident. So message received. Any future content depends on the age-old question: can we make money off this?

[flemm]

jtav wrote...
 The letters/app messages/slides are very different in tone from her main content, and I don't think that's an accident.

No, it's surely not. The email makes me smile. These slides do as well. There is at least one line in the *phone app* that makes me smile every time.

Whereas I loathe and despise the direction of the primary content with a seething, undying passion.

*cough*

Sorry

But anyway, agreed.

Modifié par flemm, 28 juin 2012 - 02:45 .

[jtav]

I think Miranda attracted a different demographic than what she was targeted for. This is one of the more cerebral character threads on BSN and we tend to see her reserve and hyper-practicality as virtues and don't mind her being something of a rival. Her ME3 arc is emotion-based and doesn't require or withstand much analysis. Her rough edges are sanded away. She triumphs over her father in an obvious way and either has a touching death scene or is reunited with her sister. It probably does appeal to casual fans, but a good chunk of them probably dumped her for Ash with a shrug, leaving her most vocal fans howling.

[CrutchCricket]

hhh89 wrote...
I don't understand how she'd know that, though. Unless the Guardian said who it is (which could be possible, considering that the Reapers are helping rebuilding not only relays, but cities too, and they are in Earth's orbit and in contact with the Geth. I doubt organics will let the Reapers help them without knowing the situation).

She wouldn't. I believe this slide is before any that show Reapers near population centers so it's very likely  no one has made contact yet. General caution seems more appropriate. But for some reason people tend to favor the negative on this thread....
Doom and gloom- not just for pre-release anymore!

[The Elder King]

CrutchCricket wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
I don't understand how she'd know that, though. Unless the Guardian said who it is (which could be possible, considering that the Reapers are helping rebuilding not only relays, but cities too, and they are in Earth's orbit and in contact with the Geth. I doubt organics will let the Reapers help them without knowing the situation).

She wouldn't. I believe this slide is before any that show Reapers near population centers so it's very likely  no one has made contact yet. General caution seems more appropriate. But for some reason people tend to favor the negative on this thread....
Doom and gloom- not just for pre-release anymore!

I don't think that war  will necessary happen in Control. Though in Renegade Control the AI acts in a way that will ****** off organics. I doubt that the species in the Milky Way want to be lead by the new AI.

[ENorman94]

I don't have an iPhone, so what is it she says/does in the app?

[Stalker]

ENorman94 wrote...

I don't have an iPhone, so what is it she says/does in the app?

• I managed to catch up with a few old contacts. They didn't want to talk; but they did. More later.
• Finally got back to the Citadel. Found what I needed. Talk to you soon.
• Good luck.

[MisterJB]

As I see it, Miranda plotting to restore freedom to the galaxy is quite positive and inspiring. Humanity's future should rest in the hands of humans, not some Machine-God.

[ThomGau]

Her role in ME3 could be made out of a quiproquo between the fans and the writers regarding Miranda's character, what we saw and loved in her yes.
I've spent a lot of time with you guys and by myself interpreting her words and motivations in ME2. In ME3 this rather cerebral exercice is gone for the most part, replaced.

Agreed, I like her epilogue slides more than her role in ME3 itself. At least they ended it on a good note, it leaves a better feeling in my mind.

Modifié par ThomGau, 28 juin 2012 - 03:17 .

[CrutchCricket]

hhh89 wrote...
I don't think that war  will necessary happen in Control. Though in Renegade Control the AI acts in a way that will ****** off organics. I doubt that the species in the Milky Way want to be lead by the new AI.

Oh I don't think so either. And I don't think the "guardian" or the "ruler" will stick around very long. From such an advanced being's perspective organics are far too trivial. Eventually it'll just grow indifferent and go off to do whatever it is nigh-cosmic level entities do. Personally I think it'll explore the universe, unravelling its secrets.

But yeah, in regards to the slide, it's natural to keep an eye on the giant machines that just tried to kill you. And devise contigency plans just in case.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 28 juin 2012 - 03:16 .

[ENorman94]

Mr Massakka wrote...

ENorman94 wrote...

I don't have an iPhone, so what is it she says/does in the app?

• I managed to catch up with a few old contacts. They didn't want to talk; but they did. More later.

That's good ol' Miranda.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

As I see it, Miranda plotting to restore freedom to the galaxy is quite positive and inspiring. Humanity's future should rest in the hands of humans, not some Machine-God.

Freedom isn't lost. The renegade version is a bit dicey. But regardless either way is only temporary.

[jtav]

Crutch, doom and gloom would be "and Shepard goes crazy and harvests everyone." I find Control!Shepard frightening and I also find it likely he and Miranda would come into conflict. That makes it interesting, not depressing. Miranda as resistance fighter or otherwise an opposing force is a fun idea and entertaining to speculate about.

[SpectresHonour]

Mr Massakka wrote...

ENorman94 wrote...

I don't have an iPhone, so what is it she says/does in the app?

• I managed to catch up with a few old contacts. They didn't want to talk; but they did. More later.
• Finally got back to the Citadel. Found what I needed. Talk to you soon.
• Good luck.

I don't know if anyone else has recevied this, but I got an extra message from Miri in my Mirimance playthrough:

• Just heard about the Illusive Man. Wish I could have seen his face. Still getting patched up.

This was recieved after Cronos Station

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

Crutch, doom and gloom would be "and Shepard goes crazy and harvests everyone." I find Control!Shepard frightening and I also find it likely he and Miranda would come into conflict. That makes it interesting, not depressing. Miranda as resistance fighter or otherwise an opposing force is a fun idea and entertaining to speculate about.

Oh don't worry, control detractors are all over the underlined.

Sure Miranda being opposed might be interesting. But it is not necessarily the case as some on here seem to think. She would oppose the renegade. It is not mandatory that she oppose the paragon. Commander still represents the biggest known source of knowledge in the galaxy.  That should still be appealing to her. And perhaps there's even the matter of emotional attachment. She's gotten pretty attached to Shepard in the romance. She cries if you dump her. Maybe she can't let go as easily.

Eventually it'll all be moot because indifference will set in and the entity will leave.

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
Freedom isn't lost. The renegade version is a bit dicey.

That is an understatement. RenegadeShepard is likely to land a Reaper on top of peaceful protesters if they disagree with the policies of their new "Leader".
 

But regardless either way is only temporary.

ReaperShepard's speech suggests otherwise. You could speculate it will lose interest after a few years but there is no basis for that in-universe.
Miranda fought against the Council's tyranny so I don't see why she wouldn't do it again.

Modifié par MisterJB, 28 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

[jtav]

The one message I hate because it underscores how arbitrary her exclusion was. Miranda, we have a medbay. You remember, the one that was more than adequate to patch up Garrus who was way more hurt than you?

She should be at Cronos, but they didn't even create a good excuse. Make her team more prominent or have Leng nearly kill her. Something.

[Taboo]

Yeah, I chuckled at the message about the Illusive man. Get an iPhone or Android and check out the app.

It's...unique.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
That is an understatement. RenegadeShepard is likely to land a Reaper on top of peaceful protesters if they disagree with the policies of their new "Leader".

The "policies" of the leader? You think it's gonna lay down bi-laws or something? Even the Renegade isn't going to micro-manage like that.
 

ReaperShepard's speech suggests otherwise. You could speculate it will lose interest after a few years but there is no basis for that in-universe.

No in-universe evidence, just logic. It's a higher intelligence with the entire universe before it. A man isn't going to spend his whole life ruling or protecting microbes, and this thing is going to care even less about us.

Miranda fought against the Council's tyranny so I don't see why she wouldn't do it again.

You keep saying that but I don't remember the council being particularly tyrannical (stupid, complacent and ineffective do not a tyrant make) or Miranda being particularly anti-council (just anti-stupidity, anti-complacency etc etc)

[hot_heart]

Mr Massakka wrote...

• Finally got back to the Citadel. Found what I needed. Talk to you soon.

Hmm, is there a specific time this occurs, do you know?

Also, though I'll have to play through again, while I'm 'researching' my story I'll ask this as well: do we actually see where the tracer is on Kai Leng? I couldn't recall if there was a little clip of it being shown; I have a feeling I'm confusing it with something else.

Modifié par hot_heart, 28 juin 2012 - 03:45 .

[The Elder King]

MisterJB wrote...


Miranda fought against the Council's tyranny so I don't see why she wouldn't do it again.

I agree, she would certainly prepare for opposing the Reapers again. Though I don't think she (or organics in general) will start a war against the Reapers if the Guardian/Ruler will not interfee with organics before. Which I see highly possible for RenControl, not much for Paragon Control. In PC, the AI seems to want to watch over the galaxy, and not partecipate directly in species's life, while in RC the AI wants to lead the galaxy and destroy any oppositions.
Even if the galaxy will find the technology to seriously oppose the Reapers, there'll still be a lot of casualties. If the Reapers will not directy interfee with their life (which I think it's very possible in ParaControl), I don't think that Miranda will start a war.

Of course it completely reasonable to prepare contermeasures to be safe against the Reapers. I wouldn't trust them so easily.

Modifié par hhh89, 28 juin 2012 - 03:51 .

[Stalker]

No, I don't know that hot_heart. 
I don't even have the app... just did wiki-research 

Also never saw a tracer on Leng. As if they would really add such details... I never had the feeling ME3 was that whole-heartly executed.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 28 juin 2012 - 03:54 .