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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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#55951
MisterJB

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CrutchCricket wrote...
The potential's there of course. And if they are being used as such, that is an abuse of power by the Council. We're agreeing with the theory.
Question is have they done so? If yes these were tyrannical actions. If no, tyranny does not play into it.

Once, a group of volus was going to release something that would embarrass the Citadel Council. Tela Vasir appeared, the volus all appeared dead.
Cerberus Network.

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They look so adorable.

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I... cannot disagree ;-)

That is undeniably adorable.

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Started my first femshep ME2 game today. Maybe its just because I haven't seen her in a while, but Miranda seems significantly happier...

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MisterJB wrote...
Their indifference towards the plight of their subjects has caused billions of death during the Morning War (the quarians were an embassy race at the time) and millions when the Collectors and Geth attacked humanity.
And while we do have a spot, that has actually weakened us. The Council appropriates out ships to patrol Council Space and when we request for help to deal with the Collectors, our councilor is voted three to one.

The council has no official power over individual species' governments and the view was that the quarians brought it on themselves.

The Collector thing was probably part of the "ah yes reapers" stupidity. And I didn't see the Alliance scrambing what ships they had free to help those colonies either. Everyone but Cerberus dropped the ball that time.

Humans have done both towards Earth's fauna for a long time. And a human has never been an ant. However, ReaperShepard used to be human which would influence its actions.
Regardless,indifference towards the galaxy is, evidently, not what the developers intended for Control.

Again we're talking about scale here. Organics are far beneath the level of this intelligence. There is no reason to notice them apart from human Shepard's thoughts. But the entity is self-modifying which means eventually that will fade. Indifference will result because again, they're far beneath its level.
The devs intended to define an epilogue for control so we get closure and we're not left hanging. "Guarding/ruling the galaxy" is the logical choice in the dev thought process. However indifference would be the logical step in the entity's process. What's uncertain is how long this will take.

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MisterJB wrote...
Once, a group of volus was going to release something that would embarrass the Citadel Council. Tela Vasir appeared, the volus all appeared dead.
Cerberus Network.

Incorrect. The economic reports were already leaked, the volus condemned the actions. Vasir was sent in to investigate and arrested 6 members of the group TruthHax. Four were shot in an "internal" struggle. Seems legit.

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Got a bit of an interesting question for you folks, mostly in regards to Miranda but could apply to any LI. Hypothetically, if there were a "reunion" scene at the end of the game where Shepard is found alive in the wreckage, would it be in-character for Miranda to cry?

I do have a reason for asking this, though I'm keeping it under wraps until I can figure out if it's possible. *smirk*

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hot_heart wrote...

All this talk of the epilogue slides, I completely forgot...WHAT HAPPENED TO MY ROBOT DOG?!


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Reaper-Shepard ran into some problems finding a body to inhabit after the war.

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RenegadeReaperShepard speaks of becoming a powerful leader that will end the bickering of the many.
So yes, I do believe it will give orders and expect them to be obeyed and those who don't will come to regret it.

"Bickering" will register to the mind of a machine god? I would think its definition of bickering would more akin to Rachni Wars/Krogan Rebellion one species goes on a killing spree against the others type of thing. You can argue principles and rights all you want but no one wants a new uprising.


I'm thinking that Reaper-Shepard sort of becomes the nuclear option for galactic civilization. It's completely within his power to start the cycle back up again at anytime. The Reapers rebuild everything and then proceed to watch the galaxy.

What worries me is that the Catalyst came to the conclusion that Organics and Synthetics could never get along and decided to turn it's creators into the Reapers against their will. What's to keep Shepard from coming to a similar conclusion that starts the cycle of destruction all over agian?

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Yes but only in private and only Shepard would see it. Maybe tears but not blubbering.

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JeanLuc761 wrote...

Got a bit of an interesting question for you folks, mostly in regards to Miranda but could apply to any LI. Hypothetically, if there were a "reunion" scene at the end of the game where Shepard is found alive in the wreckage, would it be in-character for Miranda to cry?

I do have a reason for asking this, though I'm keeping it under wraps until I can figure out if it's possible. *smirk*


I think it is.
We've already seen her cry during ME2, she also cry if you break up with her at the begining of ME3.
I think it would be weird to not see Miranda let her emotions flow in a reunion scene, considering her feelings for Shepard.

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Dr. Doctor wrote...
I'm thinking that Reaper-Shepard sort of becomes the nuclear option for galactic civilization. It's completely within his power to start the cycle back up again at anytime. The Reapers rebuild everything and then proceed to watch the galaxy.

What worries me is that the Catalyst came to the conclusion that Organics and Synthetics could never get along and decided to turn it's creators into the Reapers against their will. What's to keep Shepard from coming to a similar conclusion that starts the cycle of destruction all over agian?

You mean a nuclear deterrent? *pointedly holds up Watchmen*. Yeah, this describes exactly where that leads. And I like it (well from the deterrent's point of view. The socio-political situation can get quite tense).

The holokid was a programmed AI, bound to its bull**** logic. For all it's power I believe it was "shackled". Commander is guided by the persona of a living being. It is much more dynamic. It can self-modify to forget all about synthetics and organics. And there is no evidence that human Shepard even bought the holokid's craptastic explanations to begin with.

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Yannkee wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Got a bit of an interesting question for you folks, mostly in regards to Miranda but could apply to any LI. Hypothetically, if there were a "reunion" scene at the end of the game where Shepard is found alive in the wreckage, would it be in-character for Miranda to cry?

I do have a reason for asking this, though I'm keeping it under wraps until I can figure out if it's possible. *smirk*


I think it is.
We've already seen her cry during ME2, she also cry if you break up with her at the begining of ME3.
I think it would be weird to not see Miranda let her emotions flow in a reunion scene, considering her feelings for Shepard.

Agreed. Dignified tears, maybe a bit more than during the breakup scene but not full on sobbing.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Agreed. Dignified tears, maybe a bit more than during the breakup scene but not full on sobbing.


Yeah, wet eyes would be great, not full of tears.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Got a bit of an interesting question for you folks, mostly in regards to Miranda but could apply to any LI. Hypothetically, if there were a "reunion" scene at the end of the game where Shepard is found alive in the wreckage, would it be in-character for Miranda to cry?

I do have a reason for asking this, though I'm keeping it under wraps until I can figure out if it's possible. *smirk*


I think it is.
We've already seen her cry during ME2, she also cry if you break up with her at the begining of ME3.
I think it would be weird to not see Miranda let her emotions flow in a reunion scene, considering her feelings for Shepard.

Agreed. Dignified tears, maybe a bit more than during the breakup scene but not full on sobbing.

That's pretty much what I was thinking; not full-on "I can't breathe because I'm crying too hard" but rather the overwhelming relief and elation one would feel, even for someone as reserved as Miranda tends to be.  Definitely more emotion than we've seen from her, but perhaps given the circumstances it's understandable.  

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Yeah, dignified tears is good. Probably a more intense version of the Paragon conclusion of the Oriana ME2 scene.

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CrutchCricket wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Got a bit of an interesting question for you folks, mostly in regards to Miranda but could apply to any LI. Hypothetically, if there were a "reunion" scene at the end of the game where Shepard is found alive in the wreckage, would it be in-character for Miranda to cry?

I do have a reason for asking this, though I'm keeping it under wraps until I can figure out if it's possible. *smirk*


I think it is.
We've already seen her cry during ME2, she also cry if you break up with her at the begining of ME3.
I think it would be weird to not see Miranda let her emotions flow in a reunion scene, considering her feelings for Shepard.

Agreed. Dignified tears, maybe a bit more than during the breakup scene but not full on sobbing.


Thirded. I picture both Shepard and Miranda crying with relief during their reunion.

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Crying along the lines of the breakup scene except much happier.

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

Crying along the lines of the breakup scene except much happier.

Pretty much exactly what I was thinking, though I'd go just a slight bit further (and I do mean slight).  Kind of an "You crazy son of a ****, I can't believe you did it" thing.  Maybe a little cliche...but I've got some interesting ideas mulling around.  An homage to Mass Effect 1, if you will :bandit:

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And smiling. Not with her usual irony but unrestrained happiness. I'm also envisioning her cradling him the way he cradles her in the death scene.

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Agreed. Dignified tears, maybe a bit more than during the breakup scene but not full on sobbing.


I think that tears of joy would be appropriate. They did survive the threat of extinction and all that stuff Posted Image

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Well yes, it's happy time now.

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jtav wrote...

And smiling. Not with her usual irony but unrestrained happiness. I'm also envisioning her cradling him the way he cradles her in the death scene.

I was thinking more of having them both on their knees, with Shepard having barely enough energy to keep upright (and perhaps half-blind from his destroyed synthetics).

We'll see. 

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So, pretty much the same tears from the end of her loyalty mission, right?

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hot_heart wrote...

So, pretty much the same tears from the end of her loyalty mission, right?

A little more than that.  I wish I had a good example of what I was thinking...kind of like "The Grey Havens" from LOTR but happier.

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hot_heart wrote...

So, pretty much the same tears from the end of her loyalty mission, right?


Pretty similar, I think, yes. Those are basically tears of joy. Maybe slightly less... bittersweet. More focus on the joy aspect.

Edit: Posted Image'd.

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