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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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MisterJB wrote...

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No it wouldn't since it wouldn't be Miranda for most of her fans. I am quite sure of this. Why bring back a character, if it wasn't even the character that people were looking forward to seeing again? Pure stupidity.

That is the way some of us feel about ME3.
Her voice doesn't make or break her character for me, her words do.


So in return, because you're somewhat extreme views of Miranda aren't met in ME3, BW should destroy the character for rest of us?

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Give me evidence of this "fact".

And by "evidence", I mean articles or other pieces of information coming from Yvonne herself or Bioware affirming your point, not just a statement that bother making.

Something called "Logic". Bioware, as any business, wishes to maximize their profit. Getting a regular to voice a character is cheaper than a semi-celebrity. Thus, they make more money out of a Cerberus DLC thus there is a greater chance of it being made.

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MisterJB wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Give me evidence of this "fact".

And by "evidence", I mean articles or other pieces of information coming from Yvonne herself or Bioware affirming your point, not just a statement that bother making.

Something called "Logic". Bioware, as any business, wishes to maximize their profit. Getting a regular to voice a character is cheaper than a semi-celebrity. Thus, they make more money out of a Cerberus DLC thus there is a greater chance of it being made.


So you have nothing to back up your claim then?

That's what I thought.

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Your logic is wrong, it doesn't take into account how many buyers they'd lose for changing a VA.

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MisterJB wrote...

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Who ever said that her VA is a problem at any development? It isn't.
Why should it be a problem to bring a B-actress to voice-work, while they managed to get many other, far more successful people in the business?
It has already been proven that even acting jobs do not interfere with voice-work...

Yvonne Strahovski does not stand in the way for Miranda DLC.

Getting Yvonne Strahovsky is harder and more expensive than simply using a regular VA at Bioware that appear in most of their games.
Ultimately, it's a collection of factors such as these that will determine wheter or not Miranda will be featured in DLC. Arranging for a new VA for Miranda would, undoubtedly, help the case for her return.

Finding a new VA who can portray her character properly makes the same effort as calling Yvonne. It's not like she is some all-star actress who is too busy, too expensive, or too high on the careerladder to do it.

The saved costs do not make up with the amount of dissaproval from fans.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 01 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .


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So in return, because you're somewhat extreme views of Miranda aren't met in ME3, BW should destroy the character for rest of us?

Extreme is turning Miranda into the exact opposite of who she used to be.
And I disagree that changing something so minor as her voice quallifies as "destruction". In this situation, I must, of course, take the side that gives me what I want.

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Her voice is minor now?

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o Ventus wrote...
So you have nothing to back up your claim then?
That's what I thought.

Look, I know that you are not used to backing most of your posts with logic but do not disregard it simply off hand.

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They didn't change her, your view of her was just too stuck on the way she was prior to getting close enough to Shepard.

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Melrache wrote...

They didn't change her, your view of her was just too stuck on the way she was prior to getting close enough to Shepard.

If the romance was what killed her idealistic side, I would just not do it.
But it wasn't, she acts the same regardless of romance.

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o Ventus wrote...

Her voice is minor now?

Compared to her personality? Yes.

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I never said it was just romance, she didn't know Shepard personally until end of ME2. So yeah, romance or not, shouldn't matter too much.

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MisterJB wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Her voice is minor now?

Compared to her personality? Yes.


Please, don't ever work in the VG business.

Or as a performing artist, for that matter.

Or now that I think about it, psychologist.

Pretty much anything that requires interaction with other people.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:07 .


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Melrache wrote...

Your logic is wrong, it doesn't take into account how many buyers they'd lose for changing a VA.

A fair point. However, I'd say the percentage of people who would not buy it simply because the voice actor has been changed is quite small.

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Melrache wrote...

I never said it was just romance, she didn't know Shepard personally until end of ME2. So yeah, romance or not, shouldn't matter too much.

Simply gaining someone she trusted should not turn Miranda into a completely different person.

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I don't think it's extreme at all to say that ME3 Miranda is but a shadow of herself. That blazing sense of purpose is gone, replaced by something that borders on obsession with Ori. No reflection about Cerberus makes her look as if she has no empathy. She doesn't need a new VA, she needs a new writer. When the thing that makes the fanbase happiest is an email and a few stills, the main role has serious problems. The Marauder Shields audios are way more entertaining than the game. I want high quality Miranda content no matter who the VA is. Will they replace Strahovski? Doubtful.

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it's probably all moot anyway - what are the chances off any LI character-centric DLC now. It'll probably be Take Back Omega starring Aria or that Leviathan thing

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jtav wrote...

I don't think it's extreme at all to say that ME3 Miranda is but a shadow of herself. That blazing sense of purpose is gone, replaced by something that borders on obsession with Ori. No reflection about Cerberus makes her look as if she has no empathy. She doesn't need a new VA, she needs a new writer. When the thing that makes the fanbase happiest is an email and a few stills, the main role has serious problems. The Marauder Shields audios are way more entertaining than the game. I want high quality Miranda content no matter who the VA is. Will they replace Strahovski? Doubtful.


That's laik.. just you know, your opinion. Most people seem happy with the way she is. Changing her for a DLC now, would be total b*ll****.

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Even people who are not her fans find it ridiculous she had no ties to Cerberus.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:13 .


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MisterJB wrote...

Even people who are not her fans find it ridiculous she had no ties to Cerberus.


Even people who are not her fans didn't find it ridiculous she had no ties to Cerberus.

Who thinks what doesn't matter at this point, what's done is done and it's going to stick, having a DLC that would change her views into some sort of extremist would be just sooooo wrong.

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I don't want a DLC that change the character. I want a DLC that add content that should have been in the game.

I have absolutely no problem with the content in ME3, I just want what is missing.
But I will never exchange her VA for this.

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Yannkee wrote...

I don't want a DLC that change the character. I want a DLC that add content that should have been in the game.

I have absolutely no problem with the content in ME3, I just want what is missing.
But I will never exchange her VA for this.


This. I'm perfectly fine with what's present, I just loathe the omission of what SHOULD HAVE been there.

I would pay for a Cerberus related DLC involving Miranda, but I would not sacrifice Yvonne's voice acting for it.

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MisterJB wrote...

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So in return, because you're somewhat extreme views of Miranda aren't met in ME3, BW should destroy the character for rest of us?

Extreme is turning Miranda into the exact opposite of who she used to be.
And I disagree that changing something so minor as her voice quallifies as "destruction". In this situation, I must, of course, take the side that gives me what I want.

Just want to chime in to say I agree with you. Miranda was mutilated as a character. Even non-fans say so. As for a replacement, this dogmatic insistence that there is no Miranda but Strahovski is starting to get annoying. I'd rather have good Miranda content with a replacement VA than no content at all.

As for the "destruction" argument, it works exactly the other way: some people would rather deprive the rest of us of more Miranda content than accept a replacement VA. If that isn't "destruction" then I don't know what is.

@all:
Note that we aren't arguing *for* a replacement. Perhaps that gets lost in the debate. Obviously a replacement is very, very undesirable. But no more Miranda content is more undesirable.

 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 01 juillet 2012 - 01:43 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

As for the "destruction" argument, it works exactly the other way: some people would rather deprive the rest of us of more Miranda content than accept a replacement VA. If that isn't "destruction" then I don't know what is.


Quality>Quantity.

"We do the job right, not fast."

"Do it correctly, or don't do it at all."

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Ugh! The whole thing's a non-issue. Can we discuss something else?