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[flemm]

jtav wrote...

Well, all Miranda knows is that her boyfriend is gone and the Reapers are friendly. As far as she knows, there's nothing to save. (And there isn't)

Then a year or two seems plausible enough, though it's hard to talk about something like that in isolation. She and Orianna are both comfortable, free and safe for really the first time. They are together, she has her work. I'm sure she'd want to share that with someone. But Shepard was really important to her as well.

Modifié par flemm, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:25 .

[Cmdr. Ken Shepard]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, all Miranda knows is that her boyfriend is gone and the Reapers are friendly. As far as she knows, there's nothing to save. (And there isn't)

Then a year or two seems plausible enough, though it's hard to talk about something like that in isolation. She and Orianna are both comfortable, free and safe for really the first time. They are together, she has her work. I'm sure she'd want to share that with someone. But Shepard was really important to her as well.

This image is what makes my current play-through (first one all the way through with EC DLC) so hard to decide on Control vs. Destroy. On one end this seems like a semi-happier ending, but being alive and being back with Miranda might be nice.

Cant decide!

[Td1984]

kaymarierose wrote...

*snip*

Which reminds me of this drawing by Tutchangers(iTrixia):
 

Had I ever finished DA:O, I was going to romance Morrigan (I got far enough in to get the romance started). I haven't gotten very far into DA II yet, but if I ever do, my Lady Hawke will wind up with Isabella. I guess I've figured out my preferred type of fictional female characters. 

[flemm]

Cmdr. Ken Shepard wrote...

This image is what makes my current play-through (first one all the way through with EC DLC) so hard to decide on Control vs. Destroy. On one end this seems like a semi-happier ending, but being alive and being back with Miranda might be nice.

Cant decide!

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Modifié par flemm, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:40 .

[Caihn]

flemm wrote...

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Yeah .. too bad the Shep&Miri reunion scene is missing. :/

[kaymarierose]

Td1984 wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

*snip*

Which reminds me of this drawing by Tutchangers(iTrixia):

Had I ever finished DA:O, I was going to romance Morrigan (I got far enough in to get the romance started). I haven't gotten very far into DA II yet, but if I ever do, my Lady Hawke will wind up with Isabella. I guess I've figured out my preferred type of fictional female characters. 

Much like in Mass Effect, I've tried to get through playthroughs romancing other people, but I always drift right back to them. *Points to Signature* 

They're freaking magnets I tell you!

[Ieldra]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

kaymarierose wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I can Miri as part of the Rebellion. But what Branch? I don't think the Rebel Alliance had Science Departments.

She would make a good Jedi too.:innocent:

Well, she does command The Force! 

Yup. Biotic Abilities and the Force are quite Similar. This is one of the Reason why I am a Big Fan of Biotics. And Miri is the Most Beautiful of them all<3.

Very dissimilar in fact. The philosophy behind the Force implies that there's some kind of morality built into the universe. Ugh. I hate the Star Wars universe (though some stories are pretty cool). But apart from that, she's cool and composed as a Jedi should be. Too bad that usually comes in a package with being disgustingly "good".

Speaking of powers, I've just started my Adept Renegade Shepard. Wow, Adepts have gone from being nerfed to uselessness in ME2 to unstoppable one-person armies in ME3. I didn't fire a single shot for the whole prologue and Mars missions and still killed enemies faster than with any of my other characters.

[o Ventus]

Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Yeah .. too bad the Shep&Miri reunion scene is missing. :/

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

That awesome scene just *has* to be linked to the ending I like least (though I still like it), not counting Refusal of course, which I like not at all. Hmph.

On the other hand, the idea of Miranda fighting against who she once supported without knowing it has a special sense of irony. Could make for good stories.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 02 juillet 2012 - 07:56 .

[RamilVenoard]

Quick thematic thought: I just watched the Miranda death scene (and was quite thoroughly touched almost shedding manly tears) and I realized that thematically speaking, it almost makes more sense for Miranda to die. At least for my Shepard, he is really the most unlucky dude in the galaxy since things always go to **** around him.

Also, it gives him the anger and rage that I see in his eyes when I envision my Shep taking back Earth. It also means he has nothing left to live for, and is thus willing to die for something greater than himself. Kind of a beautifully romantic ideal, when I think about it.

[o Ventus]

RamilVenoard wrote...

Quick thematic thought: I just watched the Miranda death scene (and was quite thoroughly touched almost shedding manly tears) and I realized that thematically speaking, it almost makes more sense for Miranda to die. At least for my Shepard, he is really the most unlucky dude in the galaxy since things always go to **** around him.

Also, it gives him the anger and rage that I see in his eyes when I envision my Shep taking back Earth. It also means he has nothing left to live for, and is thus willing to die for something greater than himself. Kind of a beautifully romantic ideal, when I think about it.

@bold- Hopefully not objectively.

[JeanLuc761]

Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Yeah .. too bad the Shep&Miri reunion scene is missing. :/

To be fair, all of the LI's have that letdown.  That's why we make our own 

[flemm]

RamilVenoard wrote...

Quick thematic thought: I just watched the Miranda death scene (and was quite thoroughly touched almost shedding manly tears) and I realized that thematically speaking, it almost makes more sense for Miranda to die. At least for my Shepard, he is really the most unlucky dude in the galaxy since things always go to **** around him.

One could certainly roleplay it like that

[Aliqaiser]

I had this feeling, what if there was an option the illusive man gets to the good side at the end, after he some how overcomes the control of the Reapers on him.

Then you have this decision of the 3 endings you get. My question, will you ever let the illusive man take control of the Reapers If you had the option, even after his change of heart? Then just walk away unharmed, to live the rest of your life, with Miri?

Modifié par Aliqaiser, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:16 .

[Caihn]

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Yeah .. too bad the Shep&Miri reunion scene is missing. :/

To be fair, all of the LI's have that letdown.  That's why we make our own 

I don't want to make my own, I want to see a real reunion scene made by Bioware.

[JeanLuc761]

Aliqaiser wrote...

I had this feeling, what if there was an option the illusive man gets to the good side at the end after he overcomes the control of the Reapers on him.

Then you have this decision of the 3 endings you get. My question, will you ever let the illusive man take control of the Reapers If you had the option, even after his change of heart? Then just walk away unharmed, to live the rest of your life, with Miri?

The Illusive Man was far too human-centric for me to trust him with the entire galaxy.  I could easily see him as an ambassador or Council member, but I always felt that he likes to have complete control of any situation, so something like that may not suit him.  

[Caihn]

^ yeah I don't think I could trust him either

Modifié par Yannkee, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:20 .

[Aliqaiser]

Yannkee wrote...

^ yeah I don't think I could trust him either

Same here, but imagine what If it really was for the good of humanity, and the illusive man proves it?

[o Ventus]

Yannkee wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Yeah .. too bad the Shep&Miri reunion scene is missing. :/

To be fair, all of the LI's have that letdown.  That's why we make our own 

I don't want to make my own, I want to see a real reunion scene made by Bioware.

But creating one is much more fun (Hell, writing my reunion for Salvation was one of the most intriguing things I've done in recent memory). Sure, seeing one occur on-screen would be amazing, but creating your own is the only way to make it "perfect". It can never be invalidated.

[o Ventus]

Aliqaiser wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

^ yeah I don't think I could trust him either

Same here, but imagine what If it really was for the good of humanity, and the illusive man proves it?

Good for humanity =/= good for the galaxy. 

Even then, I wouldn't do it.

Power usually corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[hot_heart]

Ieldra2 wrote...
Speaking of powers, I've just started my Adept Renegade Shepard. Wow, Adepts have gone from being nerfed to uselessness in ME2 to unstoppable one-person armies in ME3. I didn't fire a single shot for the whole prologue and Mars missions and still killed enemies faster than with any of my other characters.

Yeah, the alteration to Stasis I found to be the real game-changer. Plus, you know, you can biotic explode almost anything.

And guess which character also functions as an adept.

[o Ventus]

hot_heart wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Speaking of powers, I've just started my Adept Renegade Shepard. Wow, Adepts have gone from being nerfed to uselessness in ME2 to unstoppable one-person armies in ME3. I didn't fire a single shot for the whole prologue and Mars missions and still killed enemies faster than with any of my other characters.

Yeah, the alteration to Stasis I found to be the real game-changer. Plus, you know, you can biotic explode almost anything.

And guess which character also functions as an adept.

Liara? She's the only other person who can detonate their own biotics...

Well, Javik can, but that's only if you're comfortable with running out of grenades every 4 seconds with him.

[Ieldra]

RamilVenoard wrote...
Quick thematic thought: I just watched the Miranda death scene (and was quite thoroughly touched almost shedding manly tears) and I realized that thematically speaking, it almost makes more sense for Miranda to die. At least for my Shepard, he is really the most unlucky dude in the galaxy since things always go to **** around him.

Also, it gives him the anger and rage that I see in his eyes when I envision my Shep taking back Earth. It also means he has nothing left to live for, and is thus willing to die for something greater than himself. Kind of a beautifully romantic ideal, when I think about it.

Nah, not for me. Anger and rage aren't primary characteristics of my main Shepard. Though he regrets some of the things he has to do, being a strategist using the "ruthless calculus of war", he deals with his emotions like a salarian and stays cool and composed, most of the time. There's no hate for the Reapers either - after all, he already suspects they're not their own masters - just quiet determination to save civilization. Miranda's the only thing he gets emotional about, and sacrificing himself for a brigher future is even more meaningful since he sacrifices a future with Miranda. I'll have him come back of course, like Keiji. And that's as romantic as it comes...   

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

Cmdr. Ken Shepard wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...
Mass Effect 3 rolls around and the roles are reversed. Jack found meaning in something greater than herself and acceptance in a kind of mother-hen role for an impromptu family of biotic kids. Miranda, meanwhile, has started trusting herself a little more and is now acting with agency, tracking down a lost sister and getting her revenge on all by herself. Now dump them. Jack, who knows she's good enough finally and at long last and doesn't need Shepard to tell her so anymore, plays it off. Miranda, who at that point has no one else in her life other than you, completely collapses.

I could strangle whoever made that stupid, insulting, nonsensical rule that Miranda dies if Shepard breaks up with her.

Miranda, whose romance in ME2 was about "Want" as opposed to Jack's "need", was apparently completely turned around? The assumption here being, of course, that, as opposed to ME2, she doesn't have or want her work to fulfill her life now and that she has, apparently, lost her confidence that coexisted with her insecurities. "My father hurt me but he didn't break me." but Shepard breaking up with her breaks her to the point of killing her?

I want ME3 to go impale itself on a blunt object!

I agree, Miranda as put as this strong willed protector of a woman. No matter her love or bond with Shepard she doesn't seem the type to let it effect her survival. Hell she seems to type to shed a few tears and move on.

She went from being so cold outwardly and living for herself to being utterly depending upon Shepard, but if he dies against the Reapers she move on just fine? Shouldn't she be depressed and drowning herself in cookie dough ice cream by the logic used by the writers (or whomever) that if you dump her she dies?

You're over-dramatizing it.

But I agree that her death via breakup is f**king retarded.

I would diagree. You were the first to make her emotionally attached and you changed her in much most subtle ways. By breaking up with her, She no longer feels like she can trust you. She tries to find alternative ways besides going to you for help and trust.

So, She doesn't die from the breakup persay, but it certainly puts her on the path for it later. Just, from the game standpoint, breaking up with her effectivly kills her.

[Caihn]

o Ventus wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

JeanLuc761 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

flemm wrote...

Destroy is not bad. We don't see Orianna, but she's probably fine

Yeah .. too bad the Shep&Miri reunion scene is missing. :/

To be fair, all of the LI's have that letdown.  That's why we make our own 

I don't want to make my own, I want to see a real reunion scene made by Bioware.

But creating one is much more fun (Hell, writing my reunion for Salvation was one of the most intriguing things I've done in recent memory). Sure, seeing one occur on-screen would be amazing, but creating your own is the only way to make it "perfect". It can never be invalidated.

Sorry but fanfics are not my cup of tea. (nothing against fanfics writers, I respect what they do)
I just want to see the scene Bioware could create, not a scene imagined by me or an another person.
I would like that Bioware finish the story. IMO without this scene the story is not complete.

Modifié par Yannkee, 02 juillet 2012 - 08:56 .