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[alperez]

Skirata129 wrote...

dude, chill out a bit. sure this series has flaws, just like any other, but it's still the best series I've played.

I assume this was meant for me (if not then sorry) lol.

I'm totally chilled, i have no problems with the flaws in the series and like you i think its the best series i've played, i do have concerns and issues and that's why i posted in this particular thread.

I can come across negative about this issue though but then it's hard to be positive when you believe something is being done and you express your opinion on that. Not to mention when you see bioware doing the groundwork to repeat what they did regarding certain characters in me2.

Trust me i'd much prefer to come on here and post glaring positivity about this but alas i tried that during the same point of me2's development only to find i was deluded and wrong and that postive thinking doesn't always lead to postive outcomes.

I'm sure me3 will in a lot of ways be the best of all 3 games and a fitting end to the trilogy, but that doesn't mean it'll be perfect or that i or anyone else will agree with how Bioware have handled the series overall or characters indvidually. If i'm right about how i think Miranda's role in me3 will be utilised then for me and others the game will be lesser because of it, but on a postive note i really hope to be wrong.

[Ieldra]

The thing is, in ME2 there was a reason for sidelining the VS, though of course their appearance could've been handled a lot better. And there is a third game to make up for it.

If Miranda - and the rest of the ME2-exclusive team members - gets sidelined there will be no reason for that except "We didn't want to spend the extra resources" and plain favoritism, and there will not be another game to make up for it.

Whether that means anything for Miranda's treatment I don't know, but I do know the fan's anger will be a lot greater if she gets sidelined in the last game of the trilogy. It will definitely have an impact on my appreciation of Bioware games in future. I've never been emotionally invested in a game character a lot before Miranda. If she gets sidelined, I'll have learned not to be again, regardless of how Bioware advertises the emotional experiences their games aim to be and can be.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juin 2011 - 04:59 .

[Rawke]

Ieldra2 wrote...

The thing is, in ME2 there was a reason for sidelining the VS, though of course their appearance could've been handled a lot better. And there is a third game to make up for it.

If Miranda - and the rest of the ME2-exclusive team members - gets sidelined there will be no reason for that except "We didn't want to spend the extra resources" and plain favoritism, and there will not be another game to make up for it.

Whether that means anything for Miranda's treatment I don't know, but I do know the fan's anger will be a lot greater if she gets sidelined in the last game of the trilogy. It will definitely have an impact on my appreciation of Bioware games in future. I've never been emotionally invested in a game character a lot before Miranda. If she gets sidelined, I'll have learned not to be again, regardless of how Bioware advertises the emotional experiences their games aim to be and can be.

QFT. Actually, that never happened to me before.

Then again, I never really played games that involved much character developement because I'm actually not much of an RPG player. Mass Effect changed my perspective on gaming quite a bit. I actually appreciate the work they put into characters, and Miranda was the first human character in the Mass Effect series I really liked. She's one of only three characters I found really interesting right from the start. The other two were Wrex (let's face it - he's awesome) and Liara. I never found Ashley to be a really deep character, not that I dislike her, I just don't think she's that special. Same with Kaidan. They're both good characters, but so are many of the characters in the ME series, especially compared to other games. That's one of two reasons I wasn't too pissed off when they got sidelined in ME2. The other reason was of course the fact that there's still one game left. Unfortunately, this is not the case with Miranda. If they screw her part up, there won't be another chance to make things right.

Alas, right now we can do nothing but wait. Why can't it be March already.

[S.A.K]

If some character gets sidelined I'll think of it this way. First of all Bioware did a great job on all the characters and this is the reason we care for them so much(most games got characters that don't make us feel sh!t about them). So even if they don't get a big role in ME3 I will be happy that we got them in the first place
yeah ok its just natural to feel bad if we don't get what we want.

[jtav]

Miranda was the first video game character I found compelling enough to write about. Which may be why I'm calm. I can write or imagine stories that fill the gaps. The games are only a launching pad. As long as they don't break her, I can deal.

[jtav]

Is anybody hoping Miranda comes back in her capacity as the only sympathetic figure who knows anything about Lazarus? I can see there being Reaper tech inside Shepard and her trying desperately to neutralize it before it kills or indoctrinates you.

Edit: In fact, I think that's why they wanted her sympathetic. Lazarus put Shepard at severe risk for indoctrination and it twists the knife to have someone you care about responsible.

Modifié par jtav, 17 juin 2011 - 06:58 .

[Rawke]

jtav wrote...

Is anybody hoping Miranda comes back in her capacity as the only sympathetic figure who knows anything about Lazarus? I can see there being Reaper tech inside Shepard and her trying desperately to neutralize it before it kills or indoctrinates you.

I've thought about that. I personally don't think TIM risked losing Shepard as an asset by putting Reaper tech in him, there are about a thousand things that could go wrong. Also, how'd you remove the implants from Shepard without killing him? I'd assume if they exist they'd replace important organs that couldn't be rebuilt.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Is anybody hoping Miranda comes back in her capacity as the only sympathetic figure who knows anything about Lazarus? I can see there being Reaper tech inside Shepard and her trying desperately to neutralize it before it kills or indoctrinates you.

Edit: In fact, I think that's why they wanted her sympathetic. Lazarus put Shepard at severe risk for indoctrination and it twists the knife to have someone you care about responsible.

Yes.
A theory thats been rolling around in my head:
Do you remember the kid shown in the E3 Earth demo?
Some people on the forums are saying that Shepard was halucinating it all.  If true then there's one more reason to get to Miranda ASAP.

Again this is just my wild speculation.

jtav wrote...
Edit: In fact, I think that's why they wanted her sympathetic.
Lazarus put Shepard at severe risk for indoctrination and it twists the
knife to have someone you care about responsible.

We still don't know exactly what they put in him and how much of that was Reaper tech (I don't think they ever tell you) although your right it does make her relationship to Shepard more interesting...he has a problem and she is the only one from the Lazarus team not out to get him.

Part of me thinks the writers won't go that far though...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 17 juin 2011 - 07:51 .

[jtav]

Considering the kid dies after nearly escaping Earth, I doubt it.

But Lazarus comprehension is unique to Miranda and it would be stupid for your death to be nothing more than a reset.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Considering the kid dies after nearly escaping Earth, I doubt it.

But Lazarus comprehension is unique to Miranda and it would be stupid for your death to be nothing more than a reset.

Yeah I agree
I have my doubts the writers would go that far though but heres hoping.  Lazarus project itself was interesting and I remember trying to find out more after Shepard woke up.

[Ieldra]

S.A.K wrote...
If some character gets sidelined I'll think of it this way. First of all Bioware did a great job on all the characters and this is the reason we care for them so much(most games got characters that don't make us feel sh!t about them). So even if they don't get a big role in ME3 I will be happy that we got them in the first place
yeah ok its just natural to feel bad if we don't get what we want.

The big problem IMO is the potential unfairness of it all, should some LI characters get a permanent place on the team and others not. Or rather, the total balance of screen presence, interaction and plot role counts. I wouldn't mind, for instance, Ashley having a permanent presence and fair interaction, if she won't get a big plot role and Miranda has, for instance, fair interaction, temp presence and a huge plot role. In that case I'd only be worried if her presence is long enough to satisfy me in an absolute sense.

Then add story potential. If they're going to sideline Miranda, who is (a) one of the most popular LIs, ( a character with a story potential unmatched by anyone but Liara among the ME1 and ME2 team members, then this will feel like a huge insult on top of being unfair, especially if Tali gets it all: permanent presence in three games, good interaction and a big role in the plot.

So should we get a core team consisting of mostly the confirmed characters and everyone else is temp, then they better give Miranda a huge plot role for balance. What I'm hoping for, though, is that the core team will be limited in size but variable in composition, changing throughout the game based on your decisions.  

[Vertigo_1]

SoulfulStarfish wrote...

Hey! Wake up!

Nice! Perhaps this should be added in the OP?

"(10) She’s beautiful. This point is not as minor as people might want to make themselves believe. It’s not a necessary condition for liking her, but Miranda would be a different character if she were ugly. If you think she's not
beautiful, look at these screenshots"...

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 17 juin 2011 - 07:59 .

[MisterJB]

jtav wrote...
Considering the kid dies after nearly escaping Earth, I doubt it.

He does? Damn it, I was hoping Shep and Miri would adopt that kid.

[jtav]

Vertigo, will just the sentence do? I don't have images on hand.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
We still don't know exactly what they put in him and how much of that was Reaper tech (I don't think they ever tell you) although your right it does make her relationship to Shepard more interesting...he has a problem and she is the only one from the Lazarus team not out to get him.

Part of me thinks the writers won't go that far though...

I am sure they won't. That would mean basically "game over" for everyone who killed Miranda in ME2. Not that I wouldn't find that appropriate....

Also I very much hope that it wasn't Reaper technology that made it possible to revive Shepard, because that would lessen the achievement considerably. If he's going to have a problem, his regular cybernetic upgrades are cutting-edge enough to have side effects. That kind of problem would also avoid the "game over" scenario in the case that Miranda is killed, for it might be a lot harder for anyone else to deal with it than for her, but not completely impossible.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 17 juin 2011 - 08:10 .

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
Nice! Perhaps this should be added in the OP?

"(10) She’s beautiful. This point is not as minor as people might want to make themselves believe. It’s not a necessary condition for liking her, but Miranda would be a different character if she were ugly. If you think she's not
beautiful, look at these screenshots"...

In fact, I had added three screenshots to the original FAQ. jtav hasn't copied the links over. Here are they:





jtav, would you consider adding the links to the OP? Or can anyone suggest pictures where Miranda is more beautiful?

[jtav]

Well, they did say your ending would be dependent on who they had with you. I'm envisioning a necessary heroic sacrifice if you went out of your way to kill her. Or she left "In the event of my death" videos lying around.

[Vertigo_1]

jtav wrote...

Vertigo, will just the sentence do? I don't have images on hand.

You could always just copy the image location links from pictures posted (like the one posted by SoulfulStarfish)
I'm sure Yannkee and Ieldra2 have some screenshots
My screenshots show off Miranda with modded weapons and include her in locations where you wouldn't have her...

Edit: Ninjad by Ieldra2!
Nice shots!

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 17 juin 2011 - 08:11 .

[MisterJB]

[dielveio]

I want the Miri used on the 1st post of this topic IN GAME.

[Vertigo_1]

SoulfulStarfish wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

He does? Damn it, I was hoping Shep and Miri would adopt that kid.

I can imagine that senario happening. Just as Shep starts to jump for the Normandy either Ash/Kaiden shout "Shepard, wait, behind you!"

Shep turns around and sees the boy running for his life, husks chasing after him. Shepard runs towards the boy, picks him up and runs back to the Normandy.

Shepard introduces the boy to Miranda and from there she grows attached to the boy.....

Ahhhh, if only.....

Aww
Damn it your making me melt!

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 17 juin 2011 - 08:15 .

[Ieldra]

jtav wrote...
Well, they did say your ending would be dependent on who they had with you. I'm envisioning a necessary heroic sacrifice if you went out of your way to kill her.

I don't think they'd make her that singular, appropriate as it would be. That would mean "romance Ashley, kill Miranda = no happy end for you". No team member should be that singular.

[Ieldra]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
My screenshots show off Miranda with modded weapons and include her in locations where you wouldn't have her...

That sounds interesting (the locations, not the weapons). Where did you mod her in?