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[cbutz]

The synthesis idea
Damn phone submitted the post before finishing amd I cannot edit it for some reason. But anyways moving on.

[Td1984]

I'm finally about to import my first Shep to ME2 that let the Council die. Going to be a bit awkward at first I'd expect.

[o Ventus]

Td1984 wrote...

I'm finally about to import my first Shep to ME2 that let the Council die. Going to be a bit awkward at first I'd expect.

I actually prefer letting the council die in ME1. The 2nd council is MUCH better. Shame they don't appear in ME2.

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

About the Mass Effect Feilds going out on the Citadel....I believe it was mentioned somewhere that they have an unbelivable amounnt of backup systems to make sure they don't fail. Sure, streching things a bit, but good enough for me.

Even the backups needs power. If the power gives way, then the backups are looking pretty pointless.

The Catlyst uses the Crucible as a power source for a reason though, possibly so that the Citadel doesn't lose all ability to operate.

[Td1984]

To balance it out, I put Captain Anderson on the new Council.

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...
I'm just picturing Galactus in his chair:

"Silly Mass Effect humans. Thinking you could create an entire space saga using only your understanding of science and logical extrapolations thereof."

Bring me a planet for I am hungry.

Pfff...Reapers, they're pretty minor compared to the terrifying power of Galactus.



Giant killer robot cuttlefish are one thing but a man goes walking down the street wearing a hat like that people are gonna know he ain't afraid of anything.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

About the Mass Effect Feilds going out on the Citadel....I believe it was mentioned somewhere that they have an unbelivable amounnt of backup systems to make sure they don't fail. Sure, streching things a bit, but good enough for me.

Even the backups needs power. If the power gives way, then the backups are looking pretty pointless.

The Catlyst uses the Crucible as a power source for a reason though, possibly so that the Citadel doesn't lose all ability to operate.

The Crucible presumably expends all of its energy when firing the shot. The Citadel still turns grey and black after the explosions.

[fiendishchicken]

Read all the synthesis stuff. It's space magic, simply put. No explanation of how it works, Bioware. Because the the way you implement it, there isn't one way to make it work. Therefor it's existence is denied and hand handwaived along with control as a Reaper trick. Destroy and Refuse are the only real options. And the implications are simple for either one. Either the Reapers lose, or we do. No special story crap. No effects. Just us vs. the Reapers. As the game should have been.

As Anderson says: Either we destroy them, or they destroy us.

I'm not a black and white guy and I know there's more to it than good vs evil, but the Reapers motives are incompatible with the existence of the races of our cycle. The only way to ensure our own survival is through their annihilation. Anything less is a cop-out. 

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:49 .

[dtrain24]

Td1984 wrote...

I'm finally about to import my first Shep to ME2 that let the Council die. Going to be a bit awkward at first I'd expect.

Hrrm yeah. It was. I recently played an ME2 Renegon Shepard that killed the council. Who'd you pick as the new human leader? I wanted to fit my Renegad-ish style so I picked Udina (it was hard to force myself to do so)

Edit- Ninja'd by you. D'oh.

Modifié par dtrain24, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:02 .

[Dr. Doctor]

What kind of confused me about ME3 is that early on Udina was really starting to become a likable character. Yes, he blunt and can be a jerk but he knows how to play politics and genuinely seemed to care about what was happening on Earth.

Then there's the Coup where Cerberus wanted to take over the Citadel for no apparent reason.

[dtrain24]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What kind of confused me about ME3 is that early on Udina was really starting to become a likable character. Yes, he blunt and can be a jerk but he knows how to play politics and genuinely seemed to care about what was happening on Earth.

Then there's the Coup where Cerberus wanted to take over the Citadel for no apparent reason.

I never hated Udina up until the coup.
For the reasons you listed. Also, he has the best voice ever. And some pretty memorable lines.
"Political ****storm!" and "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!" come to mind.

[Titan147]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Read all the synthesis stuff. It's space magic, simply put. No explanation of how it works, Bioware. Because the the way you implement it, there isn't one way to make it work. Therefor it's existence is denied and hand handwaived along with control as a Reaper trick. Destroy and Refuse are the only real options. And the implications are simple for either one. Either the Reapers lose, or we do. No special story crap. No effects. Just us vs. the Reapers. As the game should have been.

As Anderson says: Either we destroy them, or they destroy us.

I'm not a black and white guy and I know there's more to it than good vs evil, but the Reapers motives are incompatible with the existence of the races of our cycle. The only way to ensure our own survival is through their annihilation. Anything less is a cop-out. 

Yep I Agree with this.

[hot_heart]

I think the writers tried to make him a little more sympathetic because of what was coming. I got that he was supposed to be a little more adept and savvy with the political stuff, but he was a complete arse and the story never suggested any benefit to his experience and knowledge. In fact, I don't think you can regain Spectre status in ME2 if the council died and Udina was nominated...and even that didn't really make a difference (I'd like to see the interrogation during Thane's LM since I think it can be mentioned there if Kelham's lawyer arrives).

[Td1984]

Yeah, if you killed the Council, you have to put Anderson in charge if you want to keep your Spectre status.

[dtrain24]

hot_heart wrote...
(I'd like to see the interrogation during Thane's LM since I think it can be mentioned there if Kelham's lawyer arrives).

I didn't get reinstated in my Renegon run. But Shepard still declares himself to be a Spectre...

[fiendishchicken]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What kind of confused me about ME3 is that early on Udina was really starting to become a likable character. Yes, he blunt and can be a jerk but he knows how to play politics and genuinely seemed to care about what was happening on Earth.

Then there's the Coup where Cerberus wanted to take over the Citadel for no apparent reason.

It's kind of hinted that Udina worked with Cerberus out of desperation. He wanted to use the council as a means to force the races into commiting their forces into retaking Earth. It was premature though, as the races ended up putting their all into retaking Earth anyway. I think he would have been disposed of by Cerberus, as the Illusive Man had his own agenda for the Citadel. What that agenda is is never really elaborated upon, but I think TIM knew or believed that the Citadel was going to be the key to Crucible.

[dtrain24]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What kind of confused me about ME3 is that early on Udina was really starting to become a likable character. Yes, he blunt and can be a jerk but he knows how to play politics and genuinely seemed to care about what was happening on Earth.

Then there's the Coup where Cerberus wanted to take over the Citadel for no apparent reason.

It's kind of hinted that Udina worked with Cerberus out of desperation. He wanted to use the council as a means to force the races into commiting their forces into retaking Earth. It was premature though, as the races ended up putting their all into retaking Earth anyway. I think he would have been disposed of by Cerberus, as the Illusive Man had his own agenda for the Citadel. What that agenda is is never really elaborated upon, but I think TIM knew or believed that the Citadel was going to be the key to Crucible.

Thing is, he was about to murder the council. I don't think that would have won the support of the other races.

[fiendishchicken]

dtrain24 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What kind of confused me about ME3 is that early on Udina was really starting to become a likable character. Yes, he blunt and can be a jerk but he knows how to play politics and genuinely seemed to care about what was happening on Earth.

Then there's the Coup where Cerberus wanted to take over the Citadel for no apparent reason.

It's kind of hinted that Udina worked with Cerberus out of desperation. He wanted to use the council as a means to force the races into commiting their forces into retaking Earth. It was premature though, as the races ended up putting their all into retaking Earth anyway. I think he would have been disposed of by Cerberus, as the Illusive Man had his own agenda for the Citadel. What that agenda is is never really elaborated upon, but I think TIM knew or believed that the Citadel was going to be the key to Crucible.

Thing is, he was about to murder the council. I don't think that would have won the support of the other races.

Remember, he also didn't plan on his associations with Cerberus being found out. I think he would paint the coup as an attempt on all their lives and himself as the sole survivor and invoke some kind of executive role making him the leader of the Council races. I know it sounds bad, but handwave it as Udina being so desperate as to not have been thinking clearly or whatnot.

[Vertigo_1]

fiendishchicken wrote...
Remember, he also didn't plan on his associations with Cerberus being found out. I think he would paint the coup as an attempt on all their lives and himself as the sole survivor and invoke some kind of executive role making him the leader of the Council races. I know it sounds bad, but handwave it as Udina being so desperate as to not have been thinking clearly or whatnot.

Coup was originally intended to be bloodless but since the Salarian councilor found out about it they had to do something (kill him before he told others)

This is from the codex entry on that event btw.

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:03 .

[dtrain24]

fiendishchicken wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

What kind of confused me about ME3 is that early on Udina was really starting to become a likable character. Yes, he blunt and can be a jerk but he knows how to play politics and genuinely seemed to care about what was happening on Earth.

Then there's the Coup where Cerberus wanted to take over the Citadel for no apparent reason.

It's kind of hinted that Udina worked with Cerberus out of desperation. He wanted to use the council as a means to force the races into commiting their forces into retaking Earth. It was premature though, as the races ended up putting their all into retaking Earth anyway. I think he would have been disposed of by Cerberus, as the Illusive Man had his own agenda for the Citadel. What that agenda is is never really elaborated upon, but I think TIM knew or believed that the Citadel was going to be the key to Crucible.

Thing is, he was about to murder the council. I don't think that would have won the support of the other races.

Remember, he also didn't plan on his associations with Cerberus being found out. I think he would paint the coup as an attempt on all their lives and himself as the sole survivor and invoke some kind of executive role making him the leader of the Council races. I know it sounds bad, but handwave it as Udina being so desperate as to not have been thinking clearly or whatnot.

I guess but I still think that the Council races wouldn't listent to a word he'd say. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to assassinate him as a result. The other races would never help Earth if Udina murdered the council.

[flemm]

o Ventus wrote...
I can legitimately say that this is the first time in my life that I have vomited in my own mouth from just reading text.

So... you approve?

But seriously. Any story idea that makes o Ventus upchuck in his mouth is a story idea I want to see fleshed out!

Modifié par flemm, 06 juillet 2012 - 01:12 .

[LanceSolous13]

I would say the Citadel looks bleak and grey because its battle torn now. Its been through the huge mess of the Reaper War and you saw the giant battle going on just outside the arms of the station. All the wrekage and battle floating around the Citadel.

[MisterJB]

fiendishchicken wrote...
As the game should have been.

Boring and simple? I prefer the moral dilemas of this ending, thank you very much.
Crucible falls under "any sufficiently advanced technology is unrecognizable from magic". I accept that but understand other people might not.
The presentation might not be the best but I still find it to be immensely superior to "These are the bad guys. Kill them."

[Vertigo_1]

MisterJB wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...
As the game should have been.

Boring and simple? I prefer the moral dilemas of this ending, thank you very much.
Crucible falls under "any sufficiently advanced technology is unrecognizable from magic". I accept that but understand other people might not.
The presentation might not be the best but I still find it to be immensely superior to "These are the bad guys. Kill them."

Ugh everytime I see this I go back to what Cerberus ended up being in ME3, sorry

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 06 juillet 2012 - 04:09 .

[Dr. Doctor]

@Flemm

You fool! You've agitated the formerly Agitated Lemon!

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Coup was originally intended to be bloodless but since the Salarian councilor found out about it they had to do something (kill him before he told others)

This is from the codex entry on that event btw.

Okay, the Codex fills in a few blanks about the Coup, I find it kind of funny that TIM sent the Homicidal Ballerina on a mission where there was to be no killing involved.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 06 juillet 2012 - 04:14 .