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[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I wonder what Miri would have looked like if she had an Appearance in ME1? Would she look the same?

I'd imagine so. I'm sure she'd have the same outfit because if she didn't change it from 2 to 3, she wouldn't change it from 1 to 2.
Otherwise, she would look a couple of years younger, obviously.

So she wore the same suit for 2 years? That's a little... Unsanitary.

[Cmdr. Ken Shepard]

MisterJB wrote...

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
 I still don't know what to make of the Control slide.

I hope what it means is somebody has been paying a little attention to the "control" thematic that is present in Miranda's ME3 content, but that remains sadly under-exploited.

-control chip (MIranda regetting this, as it would have deprived Shepard of his freedom)
-Henry controlling Miranda/Orianna, Miranda rebelling against this (that's as far as it really gets in the game)
-Henry being assigned by TIM to learn how to control the Reapers by experimenting on sentients
-Cerberus depriving human beings of their freedom via indoctrination (also linked to Sanctuary, I think)
-Miranda opposing the prior two things (this does happen in the game, but it doesn't receive sufficient focus)

Logically, Miranda (and Orianna) would have issues with Control, possibly because the Reapers themselves being controlled might be perceived by them as problematic, but also because the new Guardian has too much "control" of galactic civilisation, there is not enough freedom, etc.

This seems almost too good to be true.

After I saw the EC ending for control the first thing I said to myself was "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Even if Shep is super paragon with no moral chinks in his/her armor, and the collective thoughts of the Reapers have no influence on him (he is fully in control and still semi-self aware of his human past) It still is a slippery slope sort of ending.

A good man ruling with an iron fist even with good intentions is still a tyrant. What happens when the council begins in fighting? Maybe a rehash of the genophage because the krogan are getting out of control? What diplomacy will their be when the galatic Reaper police intervene.

To a degree being harvested by the Reapers to begin with seems better than the possible implications following from a control decision. Sure the Geth and EDI are spared, no one else dies. Short term gains for possible long term big losses.

Never looked at Miranda's influence being Anti-control. Even more reason going forward to go for destory.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I wonder what Miri would have looked like if she had an Appearance in ME1? Would she look the same?

I'd imagine so. I'm sure she'd have the same outfit because if she didn't change it from 2 to 3, she wouldn't change it from 1 to 2.
Otherwise, she would look a couple of years younger, obviously.

So she wore the same suit for 2 years? That's a little... Unsanitary.

She probably has a wardrobe full of 'em.
Besides, she didn't switch suits in the several month period between ME2 and ME3.
Maybe she could have had an alternate outfit. But we'll never know.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I wonder what Miri would have looked like if she had an Appearance in ME1? Would she look the same?

I'd imagine so. I'm sure she'd have the same outfit because if she didn't change it from 2 to 3, she wouldn't change it from 1 to 2.
Otherwise, she would look a couple of years younger, obviously.

So she wore the same suit for 2 years? That's a little... Unsanitary.

Um...Miri is not stupid. I'm sure she cleans it.

During the Events of Before ME1, during ME1, and during ME2, her Outfit was regulation. She probably changed to an alternate Outfit between ME2 and ME3, or she probably just ripped the Symbol off the Outfit.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[o Ventus]

Cmdr. Ken Shepard wrote...

After I saw the EC ending for control the first thing I said to myself was "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Even if Shep is super paragon with no moral chinks in his/her armor, and the collective thoughts of the Reapers have no influence on him (he is fully in control and still semi-self aware of his human past) It still is a slippery slope sort of ending.

A good man ruling with an iron fist even with good intentions is still a tyrant. What happens when the council begins in fighting? Maybe a rehash of the genophage because the krogan are getting out of control? What diplomacy will their be when the galatic Reaper police intervene.

To a degree being harvested by the Reapers to begin with seems better than the possible implications following from a control decision. Sure the Geth and EDI are spared, no one else dies. Short term gains for possible long term big losses.

Never looked at Miranda's influence being Anti-control. Even more reason going forward to go for destory.

I won't lie, Control terrifies me. Paragon or not, it's just horrifying how Shepard is basically God now and can snap his fingers and render entire species extinct if they get out of line.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I wonder what Miri would have looked like if she had an Appearance in ME1? Would she look the same?

I'd imagine so. I'm sure she'd have the same outfit because if she didn't change it from 2 to 3, she wouldn't change it from 1 to 2.
Otherwise, she would look a couple of years younger, obviously.

So she wore the same suit for 2 years? That's a little... Unsanitary.

She probably has a wardrobe full of 'em.
Besides, she didn't switch suits in the several month period between ME2 and ME3.
Maybe she could have had an alternate outfit. But we'll never know.

It makes one wonder if she has a wardrobe of regular clothes, in addition to the suits and the armor.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I don't see Control as Paragon at all. That would mean Synthesis is Neutral. I think that it doesn't matter if you're Paragon, Renegade, whatever. Even a Renegade would choose Control. So it doesn't matter. I don't see destroy as Renegade.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I wonder what Miri would have looked like if she had an Appearance in ME1? Would she look the same?

I'd imagine so. I'm sure she'd have the same outfit because if she didn't change it from 2 to 3, she wouldn't change it from 1 to 2.
Otherwise, she would look a couple of years younger, obviously.

So she wore the same suit for 2 years? That's a little... Unsanitary.

She probably has a wardrobe full of 'em.
Besides, she didn't switch suits in the several month period between ME2 and ME3.
Maybe she could have had an alternate outfit. But we'll never know.

It makes one wonder if she has a wardrobe of regular clothes, in addition to the suits and the armor.

I'm sure she does...she did subscribe to "After-Dark fashions" afterall.
Besides, I can see Miranda in casual clothing off-duty or when there's no more galactic threats.

[dtrain24]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I don't see Control as Paragon at all. That would mean Synthesis is Neutral. I think that it doesn't matter if you're Paragon, Renegade, whatever. Even a Renegade would choose Control. So it doesn't matter. I don't see destroy as Renegade.

Yeah, I agree.
Destroy is ending the Reaper threat once and for all, returning to your LI and eventually your friends, and easing the minds of everyone in the galaxy. It shares Paragon and Renegade qualities, if even Renegade.

With Control, you basically make yourself the ruler of all life. That and you don't return. Sounds pretty Renegade to me.

As for Synthesis..well..you don't return and you leave everyone half and half. And it's not like they chose to be that way.

[o Ventus]

That last post about civilian clothes reminded me of these pictures-



What I envision Miranda wearing while out on a date.



Casual, off-duty wear.

[CrutchCricket]

*sigh I do wish people would stop imagining Control Shep as the same human only riding around on a Reaper waving a baton and shouting "play nice".

We're talking very advanced higher intelligence here. Fundamentally not human, and thus not subject to petty human politics or (thank God) inane high school misquotes. Please see the link in the sig for more details.

PS bonus points if you actually draw Shepard riding a reaper waving a baton;)

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

I'm sure she does...she did subscribe to "After-Dark fashions" afterall.
Besides, I can see Miranda in casual clothing off-duty or when there's no more galactic threats.

I'll be honest, with a name like "After Dark Fashions", it gives me the vibe of a Victoria's Secret-esque lingerie catalogue.

I'm sure Shepard will be grateful.

[hot_heart]

Oh, not the endings discussion again.

Can we just agree that each can be viewed in their own light, be it positive or negative, reliant on your own ideas/beliefs/interpretation/whatever and that while it's perfectly fine to discuss it politely, do not get the idea that you are going to change anyone's mind?

[Dr. Doctor]

o Ventus wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 I sort of picture Control being similar to the ending to the Watchmen movie. The Reapers just decimated the whole of civilization, inexplicably rebuilt the infrastructure they destroyed and disappeared without a trace. It's less that the Reapers are taking an active role in the galaxy so much as it's everyone living in fear that they'll restart the cycle at any time.

I haven't seen or read Watchmen in years, but doesn't the movie just end with Manhattan killing Rorschach, then Rorschach's journal being delivered to the newspaper people? How did you connect the two?

In the film instead of creating a giant space-squid that destroys New York and unites the human race through fear of an alien invasion Ozymandias uses devices based off of Dr. Manhattan's powers to destroy the city. The various nations band together out of a common fear that a vengeful Dr. Manhattan could come back and destroy them any time he wishes.

With Control I'm assuming that Shepard!Catalyst is going to follow it's predecessor's "implied but not observed" means of operation, he's not going to actively come out and say that he's now the intelligence controling the Reapers. The Crucible goes off, and all of a sudden the Reapers are rebuilding what was destroyed and then leave without a trace. Meanwhile, the galaxy is living with the fear that the Reapers could return to finish the job at any time. 

I've also tinkered around with the idea of having Shepard "come back" in the form of a Catalyst-created replica. Sort of Shepard's final attempt to hold on to who and what he was before he assumed the role of the Reaper overmind. Also, as long as Shepard's becoming something akin to Galactus he's going to need a herald.

[LanceSolous13]

I really like that second casual one. I can't see her in the dress though. I wonder what she would look like in a skirt though. Or maybe a half-skirt over a pair of pants. Hmmm....

Modifié par LanceSolous13, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:23 .

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I'm sure she does...she did subscribe to "After-Dark fashions" afterall.
Besides, I can see Miranda in casual clothing off-duty or when there's no more galactic threats.

I'll be honest, with a name like "After Dark Fashions", it gives me the vibe of a Victoria's Secret-esque lingerie catalogue.

I'm sure Shepard will be grateful.

Reminds me of this.
Credit goes to someone by the name of "Asakawa"

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I'm sure she does...she did subscribe to "After-Dark fashions" afterall.
Besides, I can see Miranda in casual clothing off-duty or when there's no more galactic threats.

I'll be honest, with a name like "After Dark Fashions", it gives me the vibe of a Victoria's Secret-esque lingerie catalogue.

I'm sure Shepard will be grateful.

Reminds me of this.
Credit goes to someone by the name of "Asakawa"
*snip*

I dunno, I'm digging the lingerie idea.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I'm sure she does...she did subscribe to "After-Dark fashions" afterall.
Besides, I can see Miranda in casual clothing off-duty or when there's no more galactic threats.

I'll be honest, with a name like "After Dark Fashions", it gives me the vibe of a Victoria's Secret-esque lingerie catalogue.

I'm sure Shepard will be grateful.

Reminds me of this.
Credit goes to someone by the name of "Asakawa"
*snip*

I dunno, I'm digging the lingerie idea.

That can be brought out on some other special nights.

Also Ventus, you available to Skype chat?

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

I'm sure she does...she did subscribe to "After-Dark fashions" afterall.
Besides, I can see Miranda in casual clothing off-duty or when there's no more galactic threats.

I'll be honest, with a name like "After Dark Fashions", it gives me the vibe of a Victoria's Secret-esque lingerie catalogue.

I'm sure Shepard will be grateful.

Reminds me of this.
Credit goes to someone by the name of "Asakawa"
*snip*

I dunno, I'm digging the lingerie idea.

That can be brought out on some other special nights.

Also Ventus, you available to Skype chat?

Not right now.

[Babi_Siha]

Late on the conversation, but if that crappy DLC about the rogue Reaper, The Leviathan, turns out to be true then picking control might not be the best choice. If one Reaper could rebel against the starchild, then nothing stops from happening again, a Reaper could rebel against Shepard as well. And if it's possible for one machine to rebel, then all Reapers in theory could rebel themselves against Shepard's control and the cycle would start again.

The EC proved to be less awful than I thought it was gonna be, but if The Leviathan does come out, I'm back to choosing exclusively destroy.

[Ieldra]

flemm wrote...

jtav wrote...
 I still don't know what to make of the Control slide.

I hope what it means is somebody has been paying a little attention to the "control" thematic that is present in Miranda's ME3 content, but that remains sadly under-exploited.

-control chip (MIranda regetting this, as it would have deprived Shepard of his freedom)
-Henry controlling Miranda/Orianna, Miranda rebelling against this (that's as far as it really gets in the game)
-Henry being assigned by TIM to learn how to control the Reapers by experimenting on sentients
-Cerberus depriving human beings of their freedom via indoctrination (also linked to Sanctuary, I think)
-Miranda opposing the prior two things (this does happen in the game, but it doesn't receive sufficient focus)

Logically, Miranda (and Orianna) would have issues with Control, possibly because the Reapers themselves being controlled might be perceived by them as problematic, but also because the new Guardian has too much "control" of galactic civilisation, there is not enough freedom, etc.

I can see no other interpretation than that Miranda is looking for a way to undermine the control of Control!Shepard. I wonder if she even knows what happened...

[Ieldra]

CrutchCricket wrote...
*sigh I do wish people would stop imagining Control Shep as the same human only riding around on a Reaper waving a baton and shouting "play nice".

We're talking very advanced higher intelligence here. Fundamentally not human, and thus not subject to petty human politics or (thank God) inane high school misquotes. Please see the link in the sig for more details.

PS bonus points if you actually draw Shepard riding a reaper waving a baton;)

Oh, I think Control!Shepard will indeed be mostly removed from petty human politics. But his influence will be felt, and the Reapers are still around doing whatever he sees fit. I think it's totally plausible people would look for a means to mitigate their disadvantage when dealing with all this. 

[Dr. Doctor]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I wonder what Miri would have looked like if she had an Appearance in ME1? Would she look the same?

I'd imagine so. I'm sure she'd have the same outfit because if she didn't change it from 2 to 3, she wouldn't change it from 1 to 2.
Otherwise, she would look a couple of years younger, obviously.

So she wore the same suit for 2 years? That's a little... Unsanitary.

Shepard: Why are you still wearing your old suit?

Miranda: This one's brand new.

Shepard: How did you get ahold of a brand new Cerberus-issue jumpsuit?

Miranda: I took the two dozen of them I had on the Normandy with me.

Shepard: You carry your entire wardrobe with you? Doesn't that take up a lot of space?

Miranda: (takes a small metal cylinder off of her belt)  Not really, the Illusive Man's R&D cells managed to create a material that's as stretchy as spandex, bullet resistant as ablative ceramic armor, and as thin as a piece of paper  that can be compressed into a few square inches of space.

Shepard: How do you get them back into those little containers?

Miranda: Oh, they shrink back down when you wash them. 

[flemm]

Ieldra2 wrote...
I can see no other interpretation than that Miranda is looking for a way to undermine the control of Control!Shepard. I wonder if she even knows what happened...

Well, that last part leads me to believe that she might just be investigating. Still, the "bunker" quality of the location does create a certain ambiance favorable to the idea that she is actively opposing the new galactic status quo.

Modifié par flemm, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .

[CrutchCricket]

Doc and I are on the same page. The galaxy doesn't know Shepard is the control entity. They don't even know there is a control entity.

And so it will stay if I have anything to say about it.

Of course, no one's going to just trust the Reapers out of the blue. It makes sense people will continue to try and study, fearful of a return to Reaping