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[LanceSolous13]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Late on the conversation, but if that crappy DLC about the rogue Reaper, The Leviathan, turns out to be true then picking control might not be the best choice. If one Reaper could rebel against the starchild, then nothing stops from happening again, a Reaper could rebel against Shepard as well. And if it's possible for one machine to rebel, then all Reapers in theory could rebel themselves against Shepard's control and the cycle would start again.

The EC proved to be less awful than I thought it was gonna be, but if The Leviathan does come out, I'm back to choosing exclusively destroy.

Might be one of the reasons the DLC exists. To give doubt to weather Control is a good choice or not.

[CrutchCricket]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Late on the conversation, but if that crappy DLC about the rogue Reaper, The Leviathan, turns out to be true then picking control might not be the best choice. If one Reaper could rebel against the starchild, then nothing stops from happening again, a Reaper could rebel against Shepard as well. And if it's possible for one machine to rebel, then all Reapers in theory could rebel themselves against Shepard's control and the cycle would start again.

The EC proved to be less awful than I thought it was gonna be, but if The Leviathan does come out, I'm back to choosing exclusively destroy.

Ugh... this is all sorts of rotten. And I'm not talking about implications to Control. Reaper will? Easiest thing to dismiss given I'm already imagining Commander erases or absorbes every Reaper consciousness and installs itself into the shells. One being, many bodies. There are no more Reapers. There is only Commander.

But Reapers rebelling? God if even Bioware jumps on this "let's victimize the Reapers bandwagon"...


Ah but why wouldn't they? Is it not more "art" this way?

[Td1984]

It's really odd/sad re-playing ME2 after playing ME3. After I recruited Garrus, I overheard the discussion about one of the crewmen's brothers getting kidnapped at Ferris Fields by the Collectors and couldn't help but think "oh no, Steve's husband was just killed." Now I'm on Horizon and going "Samantha is here somewhere visiting her parents."

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Arrival is a Solo Mission, and since Miri is the XO, she takes Command of the Normandy. I can see her giving orders while head to the Base to get Shepard. Especially since too much time had passed.

[dtrain24]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Arrival is a Solo Mission, and since Miri is the XO, she takes Command of the Normandy. I can see her giving orders while head to the Base to get Shepard. Especially since too much time had passed.

Probably explains why Joker was able to get there so quickly.

Modifié par dtrain24, 08 juillet 2012 - 01:09 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

dtrain24 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Arrival is a Solo Mission, and since Miri is the XO, she takes Command of the Normandy. I can see her giving orders while head to the Base to get Shepard. Especially since too much time had passed.

Probably explains why Joker was able to get there so quickly.

Too bad there were no Rcording Sessions for Yvonne. It would have been nice hearing Miri's Voice transmitting from the Normandy during the quick pick up right before the Asteroid collides with the Alpha Relay, instead of the damn Random Voice. And it would vary depending on whether Miri is your Love Interest or not, but how?

Romance: Shepard, the Normandy's ready for Pick-Up! Hurry! (?)

Non-Romance: Commander, the Normandy is ready for Pick-Up. I suggest you move quickly. (?)

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 juillet 2012 - 01:20 .

[MisterJB]

CrutchCricket wrote...
But Reapers rebelling? God if even Bioware jumps on this "let's victimize the Reapers bandwagon"...

And why shouldn't they? I find it very hard to believe that all converted civilizations would promptly agree to follow the Catalyst's solution unless they are compelled somehow.

With Legion, Bioware allowed us to see another side of the geth and I wouldn't mind if they did it again for the Reapers.

Modifié par MisterJB, 08 juillet 2012 - 01:21 .

[dtrain24]

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
But Reapers rebelling? God if even Bioware jumps on this "let's victimize the Reapers bandwagon"...

And why shouldn't they? I find it very hard to believe that all converted civilizations would promptly agree to follow the Catalyst's solution unless they are compelled somehow.

With Legion, Bioware allowed us to see another side of the geth and I wouldn't mind if they did it again for the Reapers.

Thing is, a huge faction of the Geth were innocent. They only attacked because the Quarians provoked them.
Meanwhile, the Reapers want to destroy all life in the galaxy yet again. You mean to tell me we should take pity on them and listen to their side?

[Dr. Doctor]

MisterJB wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...
But Reapers rebelling? God if even Bioware jumps on this "let's victimize the Reapers bandwagon"...

And why shouldn't they? I find it very hard to believe that all converted civilizations would promptly agree to follow the Catalyst's solution unless they are compelled somehow.

With Legion, Bioware allowed us to see another side of the geth and I wouldn't mind if they did it again for the Reapers.

Or it could be the chance to see what a Reaper actually is. We've encountered the Derilict one in ME2 and fought against Sovereign but something of that power left to its own devices for millenia might be something terrible to behold. Either that or it could be a great chance to expand upon the Cerberus plotline. A Reaper that's otherwise unengaged by the Allied forces might be a neat field test for a prototype Reaper control device.

Replaying Overlord in ME2 is making me wonder if Archer's research was ever really intended to control the Geth. Giving an individual the ability to control a large group of synthetics like the Geth could have been a step towards a device that could control the Reapers.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
And why shouldn't they?

Well, the Reapers are not like the Geth. There's more risk of trivialisation if we "get to know them better." But maybe it will end up being cool and interesting. I certainly wouldn't try to judge it in advance.

[MisterJB]

dtrain24 wrote...
Thing is, a huge faction of the Geth were innocent. They only attacked because the Quarians provoked them.
Meanwhile, the Reapers want to destroy all life in the galaxy yet again. You mean to tell me we should take pity on them and listen to their side?

Seeing another side of the Reapers doesn't equal simpatizing with them. I presented the hypothesis they are slaves to the Catalyst but that is simply one of many possibilities.

And we should always be willing to listen to the enemy's side of the story.

[flemm]

MisterJB wrote...
And we should always be willing to listen to the enemy's side of the story.

I agree. However, with a concept like the Reapers, there is a real risk of it becoming less and less effective the more you delve into it. Some ideas work better when they remain simple, and are kept at arm's length.

Perhaps that ship has sailed in the Reapers' case, though.

[dtrain24]

MisterJB wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...
Thing is, a huge faction of the Geth were innocent. They only attacked because the Quarians provoked them.
Meanwhile, the Reapers want to destroy all life in the galaxy yet again. You mean to tell me we should take pity on them and listen to their side?

Seeing another side of the Reapers doesn't equal simpatizing with them. I presented the hypothesis they are slaves to the Catalyst but that is simply one of many possibilities.

And we should always be willing to listen to the enemy's side of the story.

It's not easy to listen to a side of a story when you're getting blown up by them.
Harbinger made it seem pretty clear the goal of the Reapers was to harvest all organic life. Doesn't leave much elbow room for hearing what they have to say. They made their goal very clear.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...
And why shouldn't they? I find it very hard to believe that all converted civilizations would promptly agree to follow the Catalyst's solution unless they are compelled somehow.

With Legion, Bioware allowed us to see another side of the geth and I wouldn't mind if they did it again for the Reapers.

They are not "converted civilizations" they are organic goo and genetic information trapped inside a giant robot cuttlefish. The Reapers were built to follow holokid's commands (apparently). The races they killed are gone, no matter what Casper the wonder ventboy claims.

The geth situation was completely different because they were on the same level as you, more or less and you knew their history. The Reapers are supposed to be above us damn it, you can't just play the misunderstood angst card with them.

That's what really gets me,  how far the Reapers have fallen.

"Oh look there's the Reapers, the incomprehensible bunch of mecha-Cthulu from space that are going to kill you dead. Wait what's that? Too scary? Well it turns out they're not lovecraftian horrors after all they're just killbots led by the genocidal kindergardener from hell meets Skynet. Wait, you still thought they were cool? Nah **** that. it turns out they're actually the victims of the love child of Carrie and the kid from Omen and they were just possessed against they're will, the poor things. Let us show you how, if you get past that loud Inception/War of the Worlds honk and crack open that cute cuttlefish shell that some have said resonates like the chorus of the damned you'll find that deep down, Reapers are nothing but carebears. Awww."



**** if I had known that my Shepard would've stayed at home. You guys got this right? All you need is the power of love.<_<

Let's just leave the Reapers alone. They've played their part, we beat them, game over,  let's all go home with a shred of dignity.

[Dr. Doctor]

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

[o Ventus]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

Harbinger is perhaps the only Reaper I want to preserve, solely because of his smiley face light pattern.

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

Harbinger is perhaps the only Reaper I want to preserve, solely because of his smiley face light pattern.

Not to mention all his funny quotes.

[Stalker]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

I actually never thought about this before, but... Why doesn't the Normandy really shoot? I mean, it's already there and the weaponry has been proven to be effective on Reaper-tech... also didn't look like Harby would have shot back.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 08 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .

[CrutchCricket]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

Not artistic enough Doc. You should know that by now.

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

Not artistic enough Doc. You should know that by now.

"Too videogame-y"

[MisterJB]

It was obvious that Mass Effect was going to raise organics to the level of the Reapers from the moment we killed one. Did any of the Old Ones die in Lovecraft's work? No.
The trend continues with the knowledge that they actually derivate from us as well as the discovery of the origin of the First Reaper and their motives.
I can understand wanting the antagonist to be an incomprehensible cosmic force but, like fleem said, that ship has sailed regarding the Reapers. And I am fine with it, ME should be about humanity rising above the Reapers.

[MisterJB]

Mr Massakka wrote...
I actually never thought about this before, but... Why doesn't the Normandy really shoot? I mean, it's already there and the weaponry has been proven to be effective on Reaper-tech... also didn't look like Harby would have shot back.

Do you really want to ****** off the most powerful ship in the known galaxy?
The Normandy is a Frigate, it wouldn't even have scratched Harbinger. And, judging by the Catalyst, the Reapers take it very personally when people shoot at them.

[CrutchCricket]

MisterJB wrote...

It was obvious that Mass Effect was going to raise organics to the level of the Reapers from the moment we killed one. Did any of the Old Ones die in Lovecraft's work? No.
The trend continues with the knowledge that they actually derivate from us as well as the discovery of the origin of the First Reaper and their motives.
I can understand wanting the antagonist to be an incomprehensible cosmic force but, like fleem said, that ship has sailed regarding the Reapers. And I am fine with it, ME should be about humanity rising above the Reapers.

That we left Lovecraft territory was never a surprise or disappointment for me. But now it seems we're going in teh completely opposite direction.
And we did rise above the Reapers. We defeated them. We destroyed them, and in some cases we made them our b!tch. That last one was too far already but I happen to like the consequences so I won't pick at it. But enough is enough. Just let it rest. This is starting to feel like Lucas and his inability to just stop ****ing with Star Wars. But even he's not insane enough to go from Palpatine the evil Sith Emperor to Palpatine the misunderstood artist who was picked on as a teenager and he just wants some validation in the form of a brohug from Vader.

[LanceSolous13]

Mr Massakka wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I just wanted to kill Harbinger, heck the Normandy was right there it could have Thanix Cannon-ed him right in his stupid face!

I actually never thought about this before, but... Why doesn't the Normandy really shoot? I mean, it's already there and the weaponry has been proven to be effective on Reaper-tech... also didn't look like Harby would have shot back.

Because Harbinger could one shot the Normandy. The Normandy may be one of the most powerful ships in the galexy, but its still not as powerful as a Reaper.

[Stalker]

MisterJB wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...
I actually never thought about this before, but... Why doesn't the Normandy really shoot? I mean, it's already there and the weaponry has been proven to be effective on Reaper-tech... also didn't look like Harby would have shot back.

Do you really want to ****** off the most powerful ship in the known galaxy?
The Normandy is a Frigate, it wouldn't even have scratched Harbinger. And, judging by the Catalyst, the Reapers take it very personally when people shoot at them.

The Thanix canon shoots exactly what the Reapers shoot: A beam of molten metal. I believe a Reaper's "laser" can penetrate a Reaper's hull... even if not: some distraction before landing right in front of it maybe?
It just seemed... wrong for the Normandy to come, land right in danger to get 2 wounded people and leave.