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[jtav]

No, not wholly serious. Just frustrated at the calls for romance specific DLC and the increasing romance obsession on BSN.

[spirosz]

jtav wrote...

No, not wholly serious. Just frustrated at the calls for romance specific DLC and the increasing romance obsession on BSN.

I guess it depends on the individual fanbase as well - look at the development for the romances and how they tie into the character development in ME2 - I thought they were a lot more fleshed out and individualized compared to ME1, while ME1 had better animation for romance "scenes."  Now, the fact that the quality (not quanity) for those individual characters isn't there or isn't what we expected - for example Miri and her sister, again, Jacob... Thane, etc - the fans were in a bit of shock.  I blame the budget and resource managment, writing.  The ME2 characters didn't need to be "squadmate status" to achieve what they desereved, as some people like to argue - that's why I believe adding in 1 or 2 more specific scenes depending on the character will help out, especially in the romance department, but I believe again that it depends on who the character is - I'll go w/ Jack, since you guys know me, lol.  She needs a scene that involves the emotional aspect of her relationship w/ Shepard - it seems all that development and time spent in ME2 leads just to a physical relationship, which isn't the whole pack, that's the biggest complaint seen in our thread.  Why over here, I'd say it's just the lack of Cerberus involvment Miri doesn't seem to have - adding a few more scenes for her would be perfect in that department.  I don't really know if a romance specific scene would matter for Miri, but who wouldn't want to see more, haha.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:12 .

[LanceSolous13]

spiros9110 wrote...

jtav wrote...

No, not wholly serious. Just frustrated at the calls for romance specific DLC and the increasing romance obsession on BSN.

I guess it depends on the individual fanbase as well - look at the development for the romances and how they tie into the character development in ME2 - I thought they were a lot more fleshed out and individualized compared to ME1, while ME1 had better animation for romance "scenes."  Now, the fact that the quality (not quanity) for those individual characters isn't there or isn't what we expected - for example Miri and her sister, again, Jacob... Thane, etc - the fans were in a bit of shock.  I blame the budget and resource managment, writing.  The ME2 characters didn't need to be "squadmate status" to achieve what they desereved, as some people like to argue - that's why I believe adding in 1 or 2 more specific scenes depending on the character will help out, especially in the romance department, but I believe again that it depends on who the character is - I'll go w/ Jack, since you guys know me, lol.  She needs a scene that involves the emotional aspect of her relationship w/ Shepard - it seems all that development and time spent in ME2 leads just to a physical relationship, which isn't the whole pack, that's the biggest complaint seen in our thread.  Why over here, I'd say it's just the lack of Cerberus involvment Miri doesn't seem to have - adding a few more scenes for her would be perfect in that department.  I don't really know if a romance specific scene would matter for Miri, but who wouldn't want to see more, haha.  

I would very much agree. Jack is absent for the entire game and there is barely any difference between a romance and a friendship. And she had one of the most emotional romances in the entire series, coming to Shepard's cabin in tears and everything. That was an emotionally beautiful scene. We don't get a follow up to that in ME3.

For Miri, It comes down to that her development from the past game; i.e. changing her mind about Cerberus and ete. isn't discussed at all and that should be a huge plot development regardless of weather she was romanced or not.

Same thing happens with Thane and Jacob. Thane ends his romance fearful of death and wanting desperatly to survive. Jacob doesn't want to be like his father and the **** he was. Come ME3, Thane is back to square one and ok with his coming death while Jacob cheats on you and knocks up some other woman while you were incarcerated.

The issue also comes down to the fact that these romances define our Shepard's in their own way of who our Shepard is for us. They are Shepard's Character development as much as the Love Interest's. Take for instance Miranda's Introduction. Shepard can call her out saying "Are you always this ****y?" And by the end of the game, the two might have found love together. That is character development between both Shepard and Miranda. When does that relationship development occur in ME3? For Miri and Jack, the two stay firmly where they were at the end of ME2. For Thane, back to square one of when you first meet him. Jacob is just planely derailed.

Only reason this is being brought up more so now than before the EC was because the ending was a huge plot issue, not a character development one. People can live with character derailment to an extent, but a horrible ending is a horrible ending. Now that the ending has been fixed from an F- to a D+, people are more vocal about the other significant issues the game has.

[CrutchCricket]

jtav wrote...

No, not wholly serious. Just frustrated at the calls for romance specific DLC and the increasing romance obsession on BSN.

Obsession? Hardly. I don't think I need to tell you but romance sells.

What skyrocketed ME1's popularity back in the day? Sex scene controversy. What makes nerds like us create 2000 page  character "support threads" instead of doing, literally anything else (including playing the game)? Romance content. What made a lot of people disappointed with the endings fold like a house of cheap cards when the EC was announced? The promise of LI closure.

Yes the characterization is interesting and yes Bioware makes good characters and all that crap. But at the end of the day people care as much because they get to take their player character and their romance character and smooch the two together. It's an emotional attachment and one that I understand a little better than what you're trying to do.

Miranda is a fascinating and interesting character outside the romance. But I can almost guarantee not as many people would be going on and on about her if she wasn't romanceable.

Now I'm thinking our way of looking at Miranda is a bit clearer to the devs than it was before. So let's just keep asking nicely and maybe good things might come of this after all. At least as far as Miranda is concerned.

[LanceSolous13]

So, I've been wondering lately, What do you think Miranda and Shepard would argue over?

No relationship is perfect and Miranda and Shepard are on opposite ends of spectrum when answering some questions sometimes, so, What do you think they'd have a legitimate arguement over?

[CrutchCricket]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

So, I've been wondering lately, What do you think Miranda and Shepard would argue over?

No relationship is perfect and Miranda and Shepard are on opposite ends of spectrum when answering some questions sometimes, so, What do you think they'd have a legitimate arguement over?

Space toilet seat: down or doesn't matter?

Really I can see their personalities clashing almost anytime a big decision needs to be made, particularly if one party seems attached to one solution or it seems like they're taking more control.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:48 .

[LanceSolous13]

CrutchCricket wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

So, I've been wondering lately, What do you think Miranda and Shepard would argue over?

No relationship is perfect and Miranda and Shepard are on opposite ends of spectrum when answering some questions sometimes, so, What do you think they'd have a legitimate arguement over?

Space toilet seat: down or doesn't matter?

I shouldn't be laughing this hard. XD

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

So, I've been wondering lately, What do you think Miranda and Shepard would argue over?

No relationship is perfect and Miranda and Shepard are on opposite ends of spectrum when answering some questions sometimes, so, What do you think they'd have a legitimate arguement over?

Shepard: Make me a sandwich.

Miranda: No.

[CrutchCricket]

And so the sandwitch/kitchen discussion begins again. What's this, like the 5th time, Ventus?

[spirosz]

They would argue over who would win in an argument.

/be the most creative in an argument, haha. 

Modifié par spiros9110, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:07 .

[Dr. Doctor]

CrutchCricket wrote...

And so the sandwitch/kitchen discussion begins again. What's this, like the 5th time, Ventus?

The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. It can be stopped by eating the sandwich, controlling the sandwich, or merging all life and sandwich together into one unholy amalgamation. 

[enayasoul]

fiendishchicken wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'm not interested in a romance DLC. I want Miranda's characterization fixed. I don't want to see more romance content; I merely partner with those who do out of necessity.

That's going too far.

Characterization is important sure, but you'd actually turn down more romance content?

I have to disagree with this on principle.

agreed. 

I want both characterization and romance for Miranda to Shepard.  We hardly got any romance whatsoever.  Where did it bloom? Did they kiss, hug do anything that a couple would do? Pillow talk? Anything? 

Oh, yeah what 4 seconds? then fade to black? Miranda asking Shepard if he was worried. Loved that part.  Shepard telling Miranda she did okay infiltrating the facility while be attacked by reapers... liked it.  Shepard teasing Miranda... liked it.  Miranda giving Shepard a kiss on the cheek. Nice. Why not lips?

The romance was lacking...  Her view on wtf was going on with Cerberus? No idea. Can only guess her fighting against them to stop them... does that mean she doesn't approve of the reaper cerb clones?

I was expecting so much more for Miranda's character.  I got only a glimpse of what she would be like...   LM 2.0 although interesting needed more depth and story.  Hopefully, they'll create a story not related to Orianna and grow Miranda's character with actual stuff of what happened during the war, why she felt a certain way about Cerberus, or a certain topic/view and about her feelings for Shepard.

Modifié par enayasoul, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .

[hot_heart]

Stumbled across this. I really dig the style.
jack-stark.deviantart.com/art/Fire-Within-308686367

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri would DEFINITELY be the one to win in arguments.

*In the Normandy Lounge the next Morning*

Garrus: *Sees Sheapard Laying on the Couch* I come here to relax after running Calibrations on the Main Battery, and what do I find?

Shepard: I...don't want to talk about it.

Garrus: Let me guess....You had another argument with Miranda, and she won....again. Am I right?

Shepard: ....yes....

Garrus: You keep this up, and may not have *Ahem* reach  ever again.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:40 .

[enayasoul]

flemm wrote...

A scene that provides closure to the romance doesn't necessarily have to be only focused on the romance. If it happens after Sanctuary, it could include Miranda reflecting on what her experience on Sanctuary meant to her (for example), which is something that is sorely lacking.

That could involve Cerberus *and* her father/her genetic tailoring, as far as topics covered.

Then you add a few romance-specific lines, etc. Whatever it takes to get a scene like that is worth it, whether it's part of a "romance DLC" or not.

This is it exactly!!!  Why couldn't we have this stuff explained in ME3??? 

Why couldn't we have a love scene that shows more then getting kicked out of the room 2 seconds later.  Thanks Bioware.



Thus why I support a Miranda Story/Romance DLC!

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

Stumbled across this. I really dig the style.
jack-stark.deviantart.com/art/Fire-Within-308686367

Cool

I don't know what the relationship is between this and that other Marauder Shields stuff that was posted a while ago, but it's a pretty badass Miranda they have going there!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Miri would be the type of woman who would make you sleep on the couch for punishment, or maybe worse. How long would she ban intercourse?

Garrus: You did it again, didn't you.

Shepard: She said no sex for 2 weeks.

Garrus: I'm not sure if I should feel sorry for you, or consider you to be Extremely Lucky.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:47 .

[dtrain24]

enayasoul wrote...

fiendishchicken wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'm not interested in a romance DLC. I want Miranda's characterization fixed. I don't want to see more romance content; I merely partner with those who do out of necessity.

That's going too far.

Characterization is important sure, but you'd actually turn down more romance content?

I have to disagree with this on principle.

agreed. 

I want both characterization and romance for Miranda to Shepard.  We hardly got any romance whatsoever.  Where did it bloom? Did they kiss, hug do anything that a couple would do? Pillow talk? Anything? 

Oh, yeah what 4 seconds? then fade to black? Miranda asking Shepard if he was worried. Loved that part.  Shepard telling Miranda she did okay infiltrating the facility while be attacked by reapers... liked it.  Shepard teasing Miranda... liked it.  Miranda giving Shepard a kiss on the cheek. Nice. Why not lips?

The romance was lacking...  Her view on wtf was going on with Cerberus? No idea. Can only guess her fighting against them to stop them... does that mean she doesn't approve of the reaper cerb clones?

I was expecting so much more for Miranda's character.  I got only a glimpse of what she would be like...   LM 2.0 although interesting needed more depth and story.  Hopefully, they'll create a story not related to Orianna and grow Miranda's character with actual stuff of what happened during the war, why she felt a certain way about Cerberus, or a certain topic/view and about her feelings for Shepard.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I've also noticed the alien face has become your symbol?

[LanceSolous13]

I don't think Miranda or Shepard would even need to have a "ban" on intercourse. I feel like sex between them would only really happen if one of them really needed it or something, not really an on a whim thing.

And, for somereason, I keep imagining Miranda singing "Sway" while she and Shepard do a Tango.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I don't think Miranda or Shepard would even need to have a "ban" on intercourse. I feel like sex between them would only really happen if one of them really needed it or something, not really an on a whim thing.

And, for somereason, I keep imagining Miranda singing "Sway" while she and Shepard do a Tango.

"Needed it"?

[LanceSolous13]

Yeah, I really didn't know how to word that. lol

As in they aren't having sex like bunnies. Sex really would come up when it comes up. A romantic dinner or something leads into intercourse, rather than going to Shepard Cabin just to get it on or something.

[o Ventus]

Spacer Shepard and Miranda are off-duty, so they decide to take the day off. Shepard decides it's a good opportunity to introduce Miranda to his mother, since Miranda doesn't have a mother and Henry was an a**hole (Not to mention dead).

Would Miranda be the one to embarrass Shepard, or would his mother?

[LanceSolous13]

I think Miranda would embarrass Shepard for some reason.

I never choose Spacer so I really wouldn't know anything about Shepard's Mother.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I think Miranda would embarrass Shepard for some reason.

I never choose Spacer so I really wouldn't know anything about Shepard's Mother.

She's a captain in the Alliance navy, promoted to Rear Admiral in ME3. You never see her face-to-face. Name's Hannah Shepard.

Modifié par o Ventus, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:15 .

[LanceSolous13]

That doesn't really give me enough to give a fair estimate. lol Though, I suppose Miranda doesn't have to worry about parent pulling out Baby Photos or anything...