jtav wrote...
I started up ME3 again. Turned Shepard into a Sentinel with Slam. Please tell me I'm not crazy and overly sentimental. I miss her. I miss having my true companions at my side. Far from coming back to where I belong, I feel distant and alienated.
jtav wrote...
I started up ME3 again. Turned Shepard into a Sentinel with Slam. Please tell me I'm not crazy and overly sentimental. I miss her. I miss having my true companions at my side. Far from coming back to where I belong, I feel distant and alienated.
hot_heart wrote...
Distant and alienated seems to very much be the tone of ME3...for Miranda fans anyway.
That isolated piano version of I Was Lost Without You seems perfect for the whole thing.
Modifié par flemm, 09 juillet 2012 - 01:46 .
Agreed wholeheartedly. The suicide mission was a terrible idea, something I've been saying ever since I played ME2flemm wrote...
It's not a very interesting bunch of characters (as a group).
Overall I think this trilogy got too caught up in making squadmate death such a major factor (started in ME1, really). A couple of these, maybe, but then they got carried away. The impact of that is resources that should have been spent making big choices matter (like the Collector Base, for example) ended up being spent doing everything twice or three times to account for death variables.
o Ventus wrote...
Javik is honestly the only squadmate in ME3 that I legitimately like. Even Garrus has worn his welcome. Liara is forced onto you, Tali is forced even harder onto you, EDI never had a reason to become a squadmate but does anyway... Just because tin ******, the VS has lingering trust issues, and James is mentally handicapped.
I want Miranda, Thane, Legion, and Kasumi.
Modifié par ThomGau, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:07 .
A good point, but she's an information broker, a very powerful one, she could pull some strings or at least make an effort. Tali's working with her people despite (almost) being exiled, Wrex went from a mercenary to uniting krogan clans, Legion, I believe, was designed to 'understand' organics, etc.variobunz wrote...
I think Liara couldn't do much in Asari relations. She is still too young to be taken seriously by the Asari Matriarchs (do I spell that right?). Garrus is just cool ("there is no Shepard without Vakarian").
My Ace-Squad would look like this:
Miranda
Garrus
Liara
Grunt
Legion
Yavik
But that's just me.
I just feel they should've used some more interesting characters than a few they chose, particularly ex-Cerberus related ones.
For this specifically... I don't see anything inaccurate. She's obviously quite ruthless, it comes across in most of the things she says and does. She's not malevolent, but doesn't care much about people who might get in the way of one of her goals. "Obsessed with human dominance" isn't the most flattering way to put it, but the Shadow Broker didn't care about that; look how he called Jack easily manipulated and Garrus as having his potential be smothered by Shepard. Human dominance is Cerberus' goal, and Miranda was completely behind it. And it is, at the very least, morally questionable to attempt to rise one species to the top specifically, especially through all of the remarkably evil means Cerberus used. For instance, even if you want to believe Pragia was hiding its actions from TIM because they were morally wrong instead of the attrition rate (and I really don't believe the evidence bears that out, considering how his complete amorality is shown off in ME3), he authorized kidnapping children from their parents and faking their deaths. Also, contributing to the batarian slave trade by buying biotic children from them. The means and the end were both very morally suspect.It's also notable that the SB writeup on her paints her as a much nastier piece of work than the main game does: "ruthless" and "obsessed with human dominance." She is no longer merely mistaken in believing that Cerberus fights for her stated goal; her goals themselves are now suspect.
It is no less than what all other Council races do.Xilizhra wrote...
And it is, at the very least, morally questionable to attempt to rise one species to the top specifically, especially through all of the remarkably evil means Cerberus used.
A confrontation with her father was something that many of us wished to see, however, not to the derailment of all other aspects of her character. Bioware chose to focus only on Miranda's family issues and even in that, they failed. The confrontation with her father can barely be called such, there is no argument between them, Miranda doesn't attempt to break his psychological hold of her, nothing.but I do feel the confrontation with her father needed to happen, and that Oriana is a logical part of that.
Xilizhra wrote...
"Obsessed with human dominance" isn't the most flattering way to put it, but the Shadow Broker didn't care about that...
Xilizhra wrote...
As for the rest... I actually kept the base too, but I wasn't confused at all about why Miranda left Cerberus; TIM went way too far when he started building his army. Even Miranda couldn't ignore that anymore.
Modifié par flemm, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:32 .
Oddly, the only person we meet who's specifically a pro-Council zealot is Tela Vasir. Who's a villain.It is no less than what all other Council races do.
Miranda... of all the ME2 squadmates, she probably should have gotten the most screentime and fit best onto the main squad. Even at James' expense. In fact, please, please let it be at James' expense. Or, heck, even the VS'. However, by the time of Horizon, it was fairly obvious that the developers were running out of time. Nothing past Rannoch is all that stunning, though the concept of Sanctuary itself was wonderful.A confrontation with her father was something that many of us wished to see, however, not to the derailment of all other aspects of her character. Bioware chose to focus only on Miranda's family issues and even in that, they failed. The confrontation with her father can barely be called such, there is no argument between them, Miranda doesn't attempt to break his psychological hold of her, nothing.
Oh, she's intelligently obssessed with human dominance, certainly. Simple xenophobes tend to be not all that bright and would reject yanking alien technology for humanity's benefit, something Miranda is too pragmatic to avoid. And the salarians do seem, subtly, to be trying to take over the galaxy themselves.None of Miranda's dialogue in ME2 supports that idea. She's aware of the
problem ("too many join Cerberus out of simple xenophobia"), but she
has another vision of what the organisation should be (Humanity's STG).
All
of this paints a much more nuanced picture, to say the least. There's
no reason to assume that the SB had an accurate understanding of
Miranda's motivations, of course.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:37 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Nothing past Rannoch is all that stunning, though the concept of Sanctuary itself was wonderful.
Xilizhra wrote...
Oh, she's intelligently obssessed with human dominance, certainly. Simple xenophobes tend to be not all that bright and would reject yanking alien technology for humanity's benefit, something Miranda is too pragmatic to avoid. And the salarians do seem, subtly, to be trying to take over the galaxy themselves.
Modifié par flemm, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:44 .
Edited previous post. Also, I think the Miranda interactions before Horizon were decent. And I don't think there was any sort of sense she had to die for her crimes; heck, I didn't even know she could die in ME3 until I saw it online.flemm wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Nothing past Rannoch is all that stunning, though the concept of Sanctuary itself was wonderful.
It is a *great* concept, no doubt. Which is part of what makes the implementation frustrating.
However, as you say, it's obvious that the post-Rannoch areas of the game really got hit by the crunch.
Turians had a bomb on an heavily populated area on Tuchanka and tried to turn humans into a client race; the salarian kidnap and experiment more primitive races like the yahg in a bid to increase salarian influence; the asari hide prothean technology for millenia while extablishing a law that forces everyone to share theirs.Xilizhra wrote...
Oddly, the only person we meet who's specifically a pro-Council zealot is Tela Vasir. Who's a villain.
I agree. There is a lot in there that is conceptually sound; Henry's involvement, the attempt at controlling the Reapers mirroring Miranda's Control chip, Miranda infiltrating the source of Cerberus troops by herself, Miranda outsmarting Kai Leng.though the concept of Sanctuary itself was wonderful.
Nicely put.flemm wrote...
"driven to advance human interests in the galactic community, in competition with other races who are doing the same thing, but with an appreciation for those alien cultures, and without undue malice towards them,"
Modifié par hot_heart, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:44 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Edited previous post.
Modifié par CrutchCricket, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:48 .
And if I ever get the guy who planted the bomb thousands of years ago, the ones supporting the yahg experimentation, or the tiny clique of matriarchs who even knew about the beacon on my squad, rest assured I'll criticize them too. Also, I did yell at Victus for the bomb.Turians had a bomb on an heavily populated area on Tuchanka and tried to turn humans into a client race; the salarian kidnap and experiment more primitive races like the yahg in a bid to increase salarian influence; the asari hide prothean technology for millenia while extablishing a law that forces everyone to share theirs.
Galactic pollitics are a cut throat business. A Human STG similar to Cerberus is needed.
To an apparently stereotype-fulfilling yahg, all that means the same thing, just with prettier and less necessary words. Yahg culture would see every race as vying for dominance as their primary activity, and anyone being so committed to one race as being focused on that race's dominance because... why else would you be fighting for them?To the extent that we transform "obsessed with human dominance" into shorthand for something like "driven to advance human interests in the galactic community, in competition with other races who are doing the same thing, but with an appreciation for those alien cultures, and without undue malice towards them," then at that point it becomes a more accurate.
Modifié par Xilizhra, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:53 .
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