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"I'll always want you in my life." Miranda Lawson in Mass Effect 3


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MikeFL25 wrote...
Hey everyone. I'm new to this thread but its a great one. I wish Miranda had more content for ME3 considering she was one of the most important characters in ME2. I felt like she got the figurative shaft considering how much more content the romances of Liara, Ashley/Kaiden and Garrus got. Even though Tali wasn't a full squad member near the end you still got to do missions with her, Miranda was just a few meetings on the Citadel and then one brief convo near the end of a later mission. She also lacks a good "scene", not that it has to be epic or anything, but after what they gave us in ME2 with her, it is very anti-climactic to have just a "fade to black" in ME3.

I love the game and am very grateful for the EC, but this is one thing I still wish was added in. Maybe future DLC?!

Yeah. Almost every ME2 team member got a "badass scene". Except Miranda. You have no idea how much that pisses me off.

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Hey if we can adapt the teachings of Family Guy in any way, it's this: Miranda/Yvonne obsession isn't the problem, you just need to find a safe space in which to partake.


That's probably a good way of thinking of it ;)

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Miranda is just too awesome. Enough said.

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Ieldra2 wrote...

MikeFL25 wrote...
Hey everyone. I'm new to this thread but its a great one. I wish Miranda had more content for ME3 considering she was one of the most important characters in ME2. I felt like she got the figurative shaft considering how much more content the romances of Liara, Ashley/Kaiden and Garrus got. Even though Tali wasn't a full squad member near the end you still got to do missions with her, Miranda was just a few meetings on the Citadel and then one brief convo near the end of a later mission. She also lacks a good "scene", not that it has to be epic or anything, but after what they gave us in ME2 with her, it is very anti-climactic to have just a "fade to black" in ME3.

I love the game and am very grateful for the EC, but this is one thing I still wish was added in. Maybe future DLC?!

Yeah. Almost every ME2 team member got a "badass scene". Except Miranda. You have no idea how much that pisses me off.


It's even more frustrating to know that the context for a badass scene is there, almost screaming to be used: The fight against Kai Leng at Sanctuary.

@MikeFL25: Welcome aboard :happy:

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flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hey if we can adapt the teachings of Family Guy in any way, it's this: Miranda/Yvonne obsession isn't the problem, you just need to find a safe space in which to partake.


That's probably a good way of thinking of it ;)

True.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

And what do you mean Miranda doesn't get a badass scene?! She...uh, she...um, well...she knocks an old man (who was surrendering) out of a window! Yeah... <_<

Modifié par hot_heart, 15 juillet 2012 - 05:49 .


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hot_heart wrote...

True.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.


Hadn't seen that. Her answer to what Chuck and Sarah  are doing now is pretty funny.

"Having kids... Spy kids... Creating an army... of skilled... knife-wielders... or something."  :happy:

Modifié par flemm, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:11 .


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Miranda is just so boring in ME3. Say what you will about ME2, it practically demanded you have an opinion on her. ME3 Miranda is just sort of blandly nice. She has a lot of content, but it's impressive in how empty it is.

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hot_heart wrote...

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hey if we can adapt the teachings of Family Guy in any way, it's this: Miranda/Yvonne obsession isn't the problem, you just need to find a safe space in which to partake.


That's probably a good way of thinking of it ;)

True.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

And what do you mean Miranda doesn't get a badass scene?! She...uh, she...um, well...she knocks an old man (who was surrendering) out of a window! Yeah... <_<


Chuck movie? Yes. Please. I have a rather fond spot in my heart for little intersect babies. And I think I might have to get into Dexter now... might be nice to see her as an evil killer... "TV-lineeeee"

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RamilVenoard wrote...

hot_heart wrote...

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hey if we can adapt the teachings of Family Guy in any way, it's this: Miranda/Yvonne obsession isn't the problem, you just need to find a safe space in which to partake.


That's probably a good way of thinking of it ;)

True.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

And what do you mean Miranda doesn't get a badass scene?! She...uh, she...um, well...she knocks an old man (who was surrendering) out of a window! Yeah... <_<


Chuck movie? Yes. Please. I have a rather fond spot in my heart for little intersect babies. And I think I might have to get into Dexter now... might be nice to see her as an evil killer... "TV-lineeeee"


Please don't make me cry over Chuck. :crying:

I see a one-off reunion some day. That show was special. 
Good to once again see Yvonne's sense of humor. I know that people say it's impossible to fall in love with a person based on their celebrity persona, and only a sign of amorous obsession. But damn, I think it happened to me. 

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hot_heart wrote...

flemm wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hey if we can adapt the teachings of Family Guy in any way, it's this: Miranda/Yvonne obsession isn't the problem, you just need to find a safe space in which to partake.


That's probably a good way of thinking of it ;)

True.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

And what do you mean Miranda doesn't get a badass scene?! She...uh, she...um, well...she knocks an old man (who was surrendering) out of a window! Yeah... <_<


Am I the only one that sees this for its potential? Yeah, it would've been nice for the actual game to not ignore the character, but to me it's basically a flashing sign for a Miranda centric DLC.

Think about it, if you take the ME2-only characters, which one gets the short end of the stick that actually makes sense? Sure, Thane is only there for a short bit of the game, but his character was supposed to be near death, and he went out like a hoss.

Let's go through the list:
-Grunt trucks through a mess of reaper-rachni, like a boss
-Jack takes out Cerberus troops left and right, like a boss
-Jacob.... seriously, who gives a **** about Jacob? But even he saves the lives of families and scientists from Cerberus
-Samara takes down banshees, like a boss
-Legion paves the way for peace between the Geth and the Quarians, like a boss
-Mordin dies saving an entiire species from a plague, like a boss
-Thane, half dead, stops greasy Kai Leng's assassination attempt, like a boss

For a flagship squad member of the second game, Miri is kind of left in the shadows, much like Liara from the second game. Liara was a flagship character from the first game, left off the squad in the second (I'm sure to plenty of rustled jimmies, though I didn't care at the time since she wasn't my favorite character), and got a rather lengthy DLC out of it. 

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet LotSB was ME2's most popular DLC for Bioware. A story driven DLC featuring a past squad member that was oddly missing from the game, and who is there to fit the bill in the third game? For every other past squad mate of Shepard's, their where-abouts throughout the game are for the most part known with little-to-no wiggle room.

DLC with Grunt, he's with Aralakh company, and while that might be cool, you've already done it and it doesn't add anything new. DLC with Jack, she's with her Alliance Biotics, again, doesn't add anything new, or interesting if you think about it. DLC with Jacob and no one will buy it, because **** Jacob.DLC with Samara, while you get some wiggle-room, her character isn't the strongest and we've already got Asari-centric DLC. DLC with Legion is almost impossible, since your interactions with him are limited almost entirely to that part of the campaign, Mordin as well. And Thane is only in the game for a short time, and he's sick and in the hospital for 99% of it.

But with Miri, she's secretive on her whereabouts for basically the whole game and would be super easy to incorporate into DLC. Need to go liberate Omega from Cerberus? Boom, Miranda has important information and will meet you there. Need to take care of a rogue reaper? Miranda intercepted some strange transmissions and, after following some clues, needs to call in the muscle.

TL;DR- Miranda's character, throughout ME3, is perfectly situated to provide a vehicle for story-driven DLC, ala LotSB

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I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible. But a DLC where Miranda happens to put in an appearance is doable.

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jtav wrote...
Say what you will about ME2, it practically demanded you have an opinion on her.


The implementation in ME2 is almost perfect, really. It's obvious from the mix of (very strong) reactions that people have to it. Of course, characterization is the strong point of ME2 overall, and I think it will probably go down as the best ME game, because it focuses the most on what Bioware is good at (creating characters with depth that people care about, or have other strong reactions to).

Really, nobody in ME3 has the depth or the edge that many of the ME2 characters had. TIM is another good example (he's much more interesting in 2). Also, nobody in the ME3 squad has much depth, relative to the ME2 squad (partly just due to not as much time being spent on characterization). I think with Miranda it's just particularly noticeable due to how great her role was in ME2.

Modifié par flemm, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:23 .


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jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible. But a DLC where Miranda happens to put in an appearance is doable.


Well, not exactly like LotSB, but something akin to it at the most basic of levels. The whole "Oh ****! The Reapers are here! Everyone run around and try to do something!" mentality of ME3 kind of makes it impossible to have a leisurely crime-solving adventure.

More LotSB-esque in that you team up with a past squad mate to complete a mission.

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You really give me some legit hope for a DLC...

I also think LotSB might be very optimistic considering BioWare's artistic priorities, but it's considerable given the current plot in the game: She has lots of free roam for that kind of stuff: Before and After Sanctuary.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:10 .


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CEO Fun Buttons wrote...
Well, not exactly like LotSB, but something akin to it at the most basic of levels.


Functionally, it would probably work somewhat differently. But point taken overall.

Modifié par flemm, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:13 .


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jtav wrote...
Miranda is just so boring in ME3. Say what you will about ME2, it practically demanded you have an opinion on her. ME3 Miranda is just sort of blandly nice. She has a lot of content, but it's impressive in how empty it is.

Yeah. I've just replayed some ME2 scenes and it's infuriating how Miranda's ME3 content manages to take off every single edge off her. Not that she's the only one. The whole game's writing, apart from the ending, seems like one big effort to make everything mainstream and avoid certain types of controversy. Miranda got the worst of it by the virtue of being the most two-edged character in the whole trilogy.

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Just noticed flemm said almost the same thing in other words :lol:
 

Modifié par Ieldra2, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:25 .


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Ieldra2 wrote...

Edit:
Just noticed flemm said almost the same thing in other words :lol:
 


I think another way of putting it would be that ME2 really made a major step forward in terms of what can be done with characterisation in a game like this, with ME3 being a bit of a step backward overall. Of course, the focus was elsewhere (more on the "war story" aspect). Suffice it to say I think more was lost than was gained.

Partly that may be due to the fact that some of the devs convinced themselves that, because it was a war story, it had to be "simpler" somehow (fewer choices, little tension between characters, more autodialogue, etc.). It's kind of an odd idea, tbh. War doesn't really "simplify" things all that much, that I'm aware. At least not in the sense that choices get easier and people disagree less, etc.

Maybe in the sense that you are just trying to beat the adversary (which I guess probably explains partly why people want to "win" the war at the end so badly, rather than suddenly being presented with a difficult choice). But that doesn't make the decisions along the way any easier, or make people more likely to agree about them.

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Ieldra2 wrote...
Just noticed flemm said almost the same thing in other words [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

He has a habit of doing that. Bastard.

You can tell that part of BioWare's aim was to try and recapture some of the spirit of ME1...without (a) Wrex.

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Shepard: *Sees Miri with a datapad, sitting on the bed* Miranda, what are you doing, and what's with the weird noises I'm hearing from the datapad?

Miri: Not now, Shepard. I'm trying to focus.

Shepard: What exactly are you doing. I've never seen you use a datapad like this before.

Miri: *Sigh* If you must know, I'm playing a 21st century game called "Angry Birds."

Shepard: I heard that game was extremely addictive.

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jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible. But a DLC where Miranda happens to put in an appearance is doable.


Speaking about LOTSB, I felt bad about the squadmates not having a dialogue, especially Miranda. After all, she's the one who helped Liara to rebuild Shepard.

Also, I agree with you about LOTSB-style Miranda DLC being impossible. From what I've read on Liara's terminal, Miranda has been disrupting cerberus operations while Shepard has been fighting reapers. Although, I still hope for a Miranda DLC.

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ChrisRudson wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible. But a DLC where Miranda happens to put in an appearance is doable.


Speaking about LOTSB, I felt bad about the squadmates not having a dialogue, especially Miranda. After all, she's the one who helped Liara to rebuild Shepard.

Also, I agree with you about LOTSB-style Miranda DLC being impossible. From what I've read on Liara's terminal, Miranda has been disrupting cerberus operations while Shepard has been fighting reapers. Although, I still hope for a Miranda DLC.


As mentioned, She could very easily be put into the Omega DLC.

As I mentioned in the Thane Thread, I'm slightly reverting back to that post-ME3 Depression. Bioware is sticking their fingers in their ears while jamming a pole up this asses, no offence, in hopes of this mess fading away and there is such a mess with this; I have no idea where they'd even begin to clean it up. How do you clean up something this massive.

-The Endings
-Miranda
-Thane
-Jacob
-Jack
-Starbrat
-War Asset System
-Kasumi's Mission
-Zaeed's Mission

There are quite a few things this game very much got right. Tuchunka was the emotional high point of the game for a lot of resons because it was very well written. But, over all, What they got wrong out weighs what they got correct.

I'm slightly tempted to make a seperate thread of this but....We want Bioware to fix this mess, but what is there to be fix? Anything to fix things to the Mass Effect standard would have to be rather extensive and....I don't really know what to do...

I'm going to be totally honest, I'm sort of tired of becoming a passionate fan of something and then getting screwed later with nothing to do about it. : / This ends up happening all the time for me. Passionate about Alice getting a sequel? EA decides to butcher the game and there's nothing I, as a huge fan, can do about it. Genndy Tartavousky makes an awesome animated si-fi show? The show gets thrown from one timeslot to the next because no Toy Company wanted to make merchendice for a show with a female protagonist.

I hate to be such a downer dinna but...What is there we can do? Bioware is screening questions at conventions and otherwise ignoring the elephant in the room and no one had the sense to lie about their question and point out said elephant.

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jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible.

No it isn't.

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I don't have any problems with Jack in ME3, actually, Lance. Nor, and I plan on dodging bullets from well-placed snipers here, do I have any problems with the Catalyst (as evidenced by my not adopting a nickname for it... >_>) as of Extended Cut. Nor Thane, even, but I would love to see the big-time Thane fans win that one. They deserve it, and there's nothing about an alteration in any character's storyline in ME3 that would bother me so much, despite liking most of it quite fine.

I do have big issues with Zaeed's mission in particular. Namely, I can't tell what's going on. Like, I legitimately get confused. It's so short and confounding. I don't get it at all. >_>

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Oh, and I'd definitely like to see more Miranda, obviously.

The thing about Jack that I adore so much is that Grissom Academy is a really fun mission, and I feel like she's developed wonderfully as a character. Now, Jackmancers sure could use more content, that's for sure. Getting that dance scene and then having "Paramour" pop up afterward... I haven't romanced Jack, but I watched that on YouTube, thought to myself, "damn, I danced with her without romancing her. That's pretty weak, BioWare." And shook my head.