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[LanceSolous13]

I bring up Kasumi and Zaeed because they got really sidelined in Mass Effect 3.

This issue with Jack is that she's missing for 98% of the game and her romance is nothing but a makeout session. No difference of dialogue, no nothing really. And, its sad because Jack was a beautiful character in Mass Effect 3, having one of the most passionate romances in the series. And she has almost nothing, just really that she's in better condition than Thane and Jacob. At least Jack doesn't dump you/die with no say in the matter. What content is there is an ok start, but its incomplete.

Thane has issues because his survival of ME2 doesn't do anything, his character development is ignored, Kepral's Syndrome is retcon'd between games, the very obvious outs brought up in ME2 are forgotten, and he has no romance besides a slight make out infront of a window. Also, Garrus, 10 mins after Thane's death, says "Glad we got out of that unscathed" and goes on to outright state he's happy they didn't have to put a name on the wall. Except, Hey my bro from ME2 and my Fem!Shep's lover just died back there.

The Starbrat....There are a thousand threads that explain this and I don't really feel like explaining the narrative issues there...

[JeffZero]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

I bring up Kasumi and Zaeed because they got really sidelined in Mass Effect 3.

This issue with Jack is that she's missing for 98% of the game and her romance is nothing but a makeout session. No difference of dialogue, no nothing really. And, its sad because Jack was a beautiful character in Mass Effect 3, having one of the most passionate romances in the series. And she has almost nothing, just really that she's in better condition than Thane and Jacob. At least Jack doesn't dump you/die with no say in the matter. What content is there is an ok start, but its incomplete.

Thane has issues because his survival of ME2 doesn't do anything, his character development is ignored, Kepral's Syndrome is retcon'd between games, the very obvious outs brought up in ME2 are forgotten, and he has no romance besides a slight make out infront of a window. Also, Garrus, 10 mins after Thane's death, says "Glad we got out of that unscathed" and goes on to outright state he's happy they didn't have to put a name on the wall. Except, Hey my bro from ME2 and my Fem!Shep's lover just died back there.

The Starbrat....There are a thousand threads that explain this and I don't really feel like explaining the narrative issues there...

Last things first: I've read plenty of them. I respectfully disagree. We'll just leave it at that, since I think we can gree we'd rather not get into it, haha.

I went into ME3 expecting Zaeed and Kasumi to get sidelined hard, and... it definitely didn't 'disappoint' in that regard. But whereas at least I felt something with the Kasumi mission, the Zaeed one just didn't make much sense to me. And then he asked for us to meet afterward, and I got excited for more dialogue and did so, but he's just standing there, practically talking to himself, same as ever. Except this time he's completely disregarding the fact that Vido Santiago is still alive, instead talking about a new leader of the Blue Suns and whatnot, and it's like... what the heck? What even happened there?

Jack being gone that long in ME3 doesn't bother me personally, but I employ the same approach here that I do with all squadmates -- there's a passionate fandom for each one, and it's really not cool to have anyone absent that long in ME3, all things considered. But I really do like what we got -- but that's coming from someone who hasn't and likely never will romance her. It's one of those things where I might well come off as a jerk for feeling the way I do, and I'd like to emphasize that I would welcome further content, but I can't say it detracts from my score too much as-is.

Thane definitely has issues. And you reminded me of one I'd forgotten about, namely that complete lack of response from the crew after his death. Really lame. His death itself I'm completely fine with, though. I wasn't aware Kepral's Syndrome had been retconned; that's a damn shame. I'm sure next time I replay the trilogy, I'll have stronger feelings on this matter. Again, as with Jack, if they added some form of DLC patch that allowed him to live, gave him a stronger presence, romance arc, etc. I'd be very happy and gladly accept it, but as it stands I'm far more concerned with just seeing some more from Miranda, who I feel was wronged the most as per overall storyline relevance.

Now Morinth... good lord.

Modifié par JeffZero, 15 juillet 2012 - 11:17 .

[LanceSolous13]

I can live with disagreeing on the Starbrat. No need to bring that mess in here.

Thing is, Zaeed and Kasumi weren't going to be sidelined. Zaeed was going to be on Omega and you'd have to kill him if there was a poor relationship between you two in ME2. Kasumi was going to have a mission on Kahje involving the Drell and Hanar and she could die depending on the Grebox Delema from ME2. On Zaeed going on about the Blue Suns, Zaeed, in cut dialogue, states that he hunted down Vido himself between games. There may or may not be a codex entry on this.

I like what was given for Jack in ME3, but there needed to be more; espicially for a romance. There is no passionate sex or pillow talk or really any talk. All a romance has there is 2-3 make-out scenes that last 5 seconds each and then a "good-bye" of her stating she wants to get laid. No more no less.

As I probably didn't give the impression of, I'm ok with him having the posibility of death. The idea that he CAN die doesn't bother me. The fact that he WILL die is one thing that pisses me off. The fight with Kai Leng is poorly done. He misses 7 shots from a pistol at close range. Then, he decides to run with a pistol at a melee range assassin.

Moving on to the scene in the Hospital, That was all well and good. Nice to see Kolyat again and the prayer for you was touching. But, the issue comes down to that this is a scene that will happen regardless of any choices made in ME. Its a good scene, but it feels like Damage Control compared to everything else and really should only be a POSSIBLE Outcome of the situation, not a manditory one.

I would agree with Morinth. I liked her character, but I'll never kill Samara for her, and I understand the feeling and anger fans for her probably feel because there is nothing for someone who did save her over Samara. I understand that frustration, but that doesn't hit me as hard as something like Thane's mandatory death and Miri's sidelined character.

[o Ventus]

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible. But a DLC where Miranda happens to put in an appearance is doable.

Well, not exactly like LotSB, but something akin to it at the most basic of levels. The whole "Oh ****! The Reapers are here! Everyone run around and try to do something!" mentality of ME3 kind of makes it impossible to have a leisurely crime-solving adventure.

More LotSB-esque in that you team up with a past squad mate to complete a mission.

@bold, I admit, this kind of annoyed me after a few playthroughs. 

There's a war for survival going on, but 60% of what you're doing is solving every other species' personal problems. Why should I care if the dalatrass doesn't want the genophage cured? Without the Reapers stopped, it won't matter either way. 

Don't get me started on Cerberus...

[o Ventus]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible.

No it isn't.

Yes.

[hot_heart]

Stumbled across this

[jtav]

Nice!

And when I say a LOTSB-style DLC, I mean they aren't going to make a mission where she's mandatory because that cuts into the install base. But they could do a sort of second ME3 mission: a cameo that gives you some extra dialogue and assets.

A squad of 12 people who can die was stupid.

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

CEO Fun Buttons wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible. But a DLC where Miranda happens to put in an appearance is doable.

Well, not exactly like LotSB, but something akin to it at the most basic of levels. The whole "Oh ****! The Reapers are here! Everyone run around and try to do something!" mentality of ME3 kind of makes it impossible to have a leisurely crime-solving adventure.

More LotSB-esque in that you team up with a past squad mate to complete a mission.

@bold, I admit, this kind of annoyed me after a few playthroughs. 

There's a war for survival going on, but 60% of what you're doing is solving every other species' personal problems. Why should I care if the dalatrass doesn't want the genophage cured? Without the Reapers stopped, it won't matter either way. 

Don't get me started on Cerberus...

As said somehwere in Mass Effect 2, "If you want a problem ignored, Talk to an Asari. If you want a problem talked to death, Ask a Salarian. If you want a NEW problem, Ask as Turian. If you want a problem actually solved, Ask a Human." Doesn't justify it but I thought the quote was appropreate.

[flemm]

CrutchCricket wrote...

jtav wrote...

I'd say LOTSB-style Miranda DLC is impossible.

No it isn't.

Maybe not (what do I know?). But I think it probably wouldn't work exactly like that. That doesn't mean it would suck or just be a cameo, though, if she did appear in a DLC. Just that I guess it would probably work differently from what we have previously seen (in DLC).

Modifié par flemm, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:07 .

[hot_heart]

If she's dead, they could just have someone else take her role.

EDI: Shepard, it has come to my attention that I share many physical attributes with the late Miss Lawson. If you would like I could attempt to simulate her during this mission. It would be my honour...mate.

I can just hear her dead-panning "Perfect", "Down you go" and "Yes".

(Miranda really did get excited by combat)

[LanceSolous13]

And, actually, That could come to be a plot-relationship point with EDI if you romanced Miranda.

[flemm]

hot_heart wrote...

If she's dead, they could just have someone else take her role.

I can think of all manner of different ideas on how it might work. Sadly, I'm not a dev

So, I guess they'll just have to figure it out for themselves :happy:

Modifié par flemm, 16 juillet 2012 - 12:51 .

[CrutchCricket]

If she's dead, load a game where she isn't to play the mission. Problem? solved.

Whether it's probable or not is a different question altogether.

[LanceSolous13]

jtav wrote...

Nice!

And when I say a LOTSB-style DLC, I mean they aren't going to make a mission where she's mandatory because that cuts into the install base. But they could do a sort of second ME3 mission: a cameo that gives you some extra dialogue and assets.

A squad of 12 people who can die was stupid.

From looking at Mass Effect 3; Yeah it was.

No one saw the issues with this because I'm pretty sure everyone was under the impression that Bioware would take the time to write around those issues rather than sideline everyone. Sidlining everyone was laughable back before ME3. Now? Its the painful truth.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Sidlining everyone was laughable back before ME3. Now? Its the painful truth.

I gate gleeful nostalgia, but I miss pre-release for this reason.

[flemm]

http://joyceal.devia...llery/#/d4qgehr

[dtrain24]

Got my best friend to finally pick up Mass Effect. Now I wait until he beats it and gets Mass Effect 2 so I can see if he goes after Miranda.

[o Ventus]

dtrain24 wrote...

Got my best friend to finally pick up Mass Effect. Now I wait until he beats it and gets Mass Effect 2 so I can see if he goes after Miranda.

$20 says he goes after either Liara or Tali.

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Got my best friend to finally pick up Mass Effect. Now I wait until he beats it and gets Mass Effect 2 so I can see if he goes after Miranda.

$20 says he goes after either Liara or Tali.

You might have to give him that $20 so Liara even has a fighting chance in ME2. : /

[dtrain24]

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Got my best friend to finally pick up Mass Effect. Now I wait until he beats it and gets Mass Effect 2 so I can see if he goes after Miranda.

$20 says he goes after either Liara or Tali.

We'll see. As of earlier today, he's up to the part where he's about to rescue Tali from Fist's men.
Not sure how far he got during afternoon/evening.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I'm finally going to Feros. Doing nothing but side mission, fighting enemies big and small, and finding minerals, probes, and other things. 40 Side things complete. I can't wait to be back to ME2.

[o Ventus]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Got my best friend to finally pick up Mass Effect. Now I wait until he beats it and gets Mass Effect 2 so I can see if he goes after Miranda.

$20 says he goes after either Liara or Tali.

You might have to give him that $20 so Liara even has a fighting chance in ME2. : /

Why is that?

[CEO Fun Buttons]

hot_heart wrote...

If she's dead, they could just have someone else take her role.

EDI: Shepard, it has come to my attention that I share many physical attributes with the late Miss Lawson. If you would like I could attempt to simulate her during this mission. It would be my honour...mate.

I can just hear her dead-panning "Perfect", "Down you go" and "Yes".

(Miranda really did get excited by combat)

Oh, I like that! It's entirely reasonable that EDI could intercept any Cerberus communiques (or any other plot driving device for that matter) that Miranda could uncover.

The story would be mainly purposed to Miri, but if she were dead, EDI would be at the very least an interesting stand-in, plus, there's no chance she'd be dead when the DLC took place. Bioware, as per what I've been told, has done this plenty everywhere else (I kept everyone alive (except Ash, my nuke bait in ME1) so I wouldn't exactly know myself). The DLC would offer a rich and rewarding experience for those that kept her alive, and give those that didn't another mission with the most interesting new squad member (that players are guarenteed to have).

Boom. Why doesn't Bioware pay us for this?

[LanceSolous13]

o Ventus wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

Got my best friend to finally pick up Mass Effect. Now I wait until he beats it and gets Mass Effect 2 so I can see if he goes after Miranda.

$20 says he goes after either Liara or Tali.

You might have to give him that $20 so Liara even has a fighting chance in ME2. : /

Why is that?

Liara isn't romancable unless you have LotSB in ME2. Otherwise, She's stuck in eternal desk job.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

You know, if you cut out almost all of the Side Quests,and only doing the Ceberus Missions, and Feros along with the story Missions, that would be the Perfect ME1 Playthrough, yet it would be very short.